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Intelligent Design

How can you say that the low odds of evolution and high odds that life starting before life on Earth is not related. Rael, wrote the book on "Intelligent Design" 30 years ago. Yet his material is absent on ID despite the scientific probability that it can occur. Humans are capable of seeding life on the moon and Mars right now if we wanted to. What has greater odds, we evolved in a unnatural rate, or that older life in the Universe seeded Earth? When you take the number of planets that previously, before Earth, evolved to a higher state than us, and then consider the low odds of life on other planets as this article points out, then you have something worth discussing and should be part of the ID site. It appears that a scientific approach to ID is impossible with squelcher's, and perhaps the site will continue in its embarrassing controversy (as it appears you want) because no intelligence is allowed in ID. Its bible, calling it a fraud (same thing), or the highway. ID is a scientific possibility. Let the possibility surface, and it is science not Bible think. Wiki is open ideas, not squelching them. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7351428.stm Preceeding signed by: Bnaur Talk 15:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Featured List Director proposal

The proposal, for two directors at featured lists, is at Misplaced Pages talk:Featured list candidates#Proposal; I've "volunteered" you to close the vote in two weeks :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough - I've added it to my watchlist. Ping me as the close-date approaches. Raul654 (talk) 00:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Will do (May 8). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Your threatening me with a block?

Okay, heres my issue with your threat. Your not supposed to block me because we're constantly involved in disputes. If you haven't noticed, I'm one of the more moderate ID believers on here. If you want to say I push a POV, just look at yourself. You and your friends are much more millitant than I am. I just want to know one thing. What did I say to push you over the top. Saksjn (talk) 19:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Slippery slope

Raul, a proposal to ban an editor from FAC has suddenly appeared at AN/I. Please see this and User talk:SandyGeorgia#ANI. I am not comfortable about this precipitous, slippery slope with an editor who hasn't been involved at FAC that long, raised a valid point on the Vargas Llosa FAC, removed his/her oppose when faced with disagreement from others, and has apologized to many editors. If the pattern persists, maybe, but ... this is too fast ... your call ... but I'm uncomfortable with this precedent. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:ANI#User:Ottava_Rima

Your input at this thread would be very welcome. I have proposed a partial restriction on this editor's participation at WP:FAC. Best wishes, Durova 05:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

April 28 Dispatch

Invokes your name (who knew?) WP:FCDW/April 28, 2008. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I still remember the pencil sharpener DYK :) Raul654 (talk) 00:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Audiovideo

Hi Raul, I've taken my first stab at putting an audiovideo into an article, here. It seems to be acting funny though. The video is fine, but the audio only seems to work when I run VLC(Activex), and not when I run Cortado(Java). Any idea what the problem is, or how it can be fixed? Thanks.

P.S. I guess we're taking an extended break from the free music project. If you get a chance sometime to sketch out your thoughts about how to proceed with it (if at all), that would be much appreciated. Cheers.Ferrylodge (talk) 07:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

misunderstanding

Dear Raul,

I'm afraid I may have misunderstood something. The ArbCom wrote, that admins may proceed

if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere ...

I have seen a lot of non-admins issuing warnings before, and I never imagined that it had to be an uninvolved admin who makes the warning. I had no intention to pose as admin, (which is absurd since most of these people know me), nor would I ever do such a loathsome thing.

• Are you sure it needs to be an uninvolved admin?
• How do we proceed now?

Your sincerely,

 — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 16:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

• Did you catch this msg?  — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 18:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

FAR notification for Avatar: the Last Airbender

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Why Thylacine taken off FA list for 25 April 2008?

Hi Raul

I saw the Thylacine article on the FA page early on 24 April and thought "Excellent!". Went back to read it a few hours later and it was replaced with the ocean sunfish article. Why is that? I'm not complaining (really!), just wondering because I couldn't find any discussion on the decision. Cheers, Ossipewsk (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The article's primary author emailed me to let me know that that date was not a good one for him, and he would prefer another date Raul654 (talk) 18:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks for letting me know. 25 April is ANZAC Day, so I can understand. --Ossipewsk (talk) 01:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Socks galore

Raul, there's a big mess of socks impacting Tony1 here at ANI, the next thread after that, and at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tony1. Tony's probably asleep, but it keeps growing. Are you able to do anything? One of them is still unblocked, and um ... I don't really know what Tor is or how much it will take to get the socks back in the drawer. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep Stefan–Boltzmann law on your watchlist

Some anon wants to remove a statement about global warming on this page. This happens quite regularly but isn't an edit war. However, this page is not really being edited or watched by a lot of editors. I am the only one who has been reverting some anons who wanted to remove the reference to global warming over the last few months... Count Iblis (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Added. Raul654 (talk) 18:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Your thoughts

I would be appreciated if you would look over User:Vassyana/Problem_solving and give me your thoughts in return. I feel it is related to your essay on "Civil POV pushing". Thanks! Vassyana (talk) 05:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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Singer

I see it often repeated, however a blog is not a WP:RS source. So how do we verify the source presented? In a similar instance I have found on numerous pages and journals information about Theodor Landscheidt, while its repeated everywhere, William keeps removing the sources: as not reliable. So I guess it is two fold, even though in both cases its easy to find people blogging about it, how do we find reliable sources? --I Write Stuff (talk) 18:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

So how do we verify the source presented? - You go to the library, and you get a copy of the journal issue that is cited there. Just because it's not on the internet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Raul654 (talk) 00:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Then that means the source presented is not accurate since there is no page number etc to verify. I am not sure why you would readd it barring its incomplete and there is no way to verify it, especially considering your only verification is a blog that it exists. --I Write Stuff (talk) 10:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Funny you should say that. I put a request in to my University's library yesterday. They got back to me this morning with a scanned copy of the letter in question. Singer does indeed say - point blank - he thinks martians built phobos. Raul654 (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you upload it please, it would be great if I can read it to verify. Especially since his belief as quoted in his book was suppose to be that *if* it was artificial, it would have been for ... So to see a document where he specifically states martians built it, would be interesting, and would allow the issue to be closed. --I Write Stuff (talk) 02:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Here - My conclusion there is, and here I back Shklovsky, that if the satellite is indeed spiraling inward as deduced from astronomical observation, then there is little alternative to the hypothesis that it is hollow and therefore martian made. Raul654 (talk) 03:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

It goes on to state: "The big "if" lies in the astronomical observations; they may well be in error. Since they are based on several independent sets of measurements taken decades apart by different observers with different instruments, systematic errors may have influenced them." Do we know if the measurements were correct? I think since not only has the person stated they do not believe in Martians, or so its been reported, and if the measurements were incorrect, the point is in fact a red herring. If I removed all doubt that martians existed, leading you to accept only that reasoning, then told you all points I provided were lies ... it would be quite misleading to then state you believe in martians. --I Write Stuff (talk) 04:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

In any event I updated the article to reflect the full information, thank you for posting the article as you obviously did not have to. --I Write Stuff (talk) 04:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Anabolic steroid MP image

Hi Raul, would you object to using a tighter crop of Image:Depo-testosterone 200 mg ml.jpg on the Main Page? Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 23:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't object if someone (else) makes one. Raul654 (talk) 00:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, done. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

A decision at WP:ANI made use of User:Raul654/Civil POV pushing

Hello Raul. If you are curious about the use to which your work was put, search for your name in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive408#Disruptive Editing on Archaeoastronomy. The editor whose behavior was questioned seemed to appreciate the reference! EdJohnston (talk) 05:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

0 = -1

I had a professor in college that did this with algebra, and in less than ten steps. Left it on the board for years, and no one ever found the error. You gotta appreciate a guy that could do that with algebra, rather than calculus, haha. Your user page was interesting, just thought I'd share this little tidbit and say hi. Supertheman (talk) 11:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

All the algebra "proofs" I'm aware of have a hidden divide-by-0 somewhere. My proof doesn't - it has something far more... devious ;) Raul654 (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Where do I sign up?

User:Raul654/Civil_POV_pushing

Has anything official come out of this? I can think of two editors, maybe three, who I'd like to cite WP:CPP on. Speaking of WP:CPP, could I, should I put in a redirect with that title? WLU (talk) 20:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I wrote an email to the arbcom, suggesting in the homeopathy case that they use the remedy from the 9/11 attacks case, but incorporating one of the remedies suggested on the POV pushing page. See this.

Assuming it passes, I want to see how that plays out. Hopefully, it will santize the environment a bit. Raul654 (talk) 06:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Gentle reminder

I hope you won't mind if I nudge your memory, as we're now about a week away from the anniversary. Many thanks, --Dweller (talk) 07:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. Raul654 (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

That's kind. I can see from your contribs that changing the plan had a knock-on effect which caused you lots of work, so double thanks. --Dweller (talk) 10:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

May 12 TFA

Any chance you could move Super Smash Bros. Melee to May 13, since it has no relevant date in the article itself associated with May 12, and add the WP:FA Battlefield Earth (film) to May 12, because it will be 8 years to the day since the film was released? Here is a sample blurb, it got bumped off of WP:TFA/R for a discussion about a different article on a different date, and ChrisO (talk · contribs) never got a chance to add it back. Cirt (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. Raul654 (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Poll underway re policy change

In case you're not already aware of it, a poll is currently underway at Misplaced Pages talk:Good articles for a policy change to place a GA symbol akin to FA star on the GA header. JGHowes - 15:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied there. Raul654 (talk) 16:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please consider joining the working group for the WMF DC Chapter

Please consider joining the working group for the WMF DC chapter. Since we have a very active and very community oriented DC/MD/VA area group of Wikipedians, it only makes sense to develop it as a chapter, especially given the recent changes to the Board of Trustees structure, giving chapters more of a vote. Hopefully we will be either the first or the second officially recognized US Chapter (WMF Pennsylvania is pending as well), and hopefully our efforts will benefit WMF Penn as well. Remember, it's a working group, and this is a wiki, so feel free to offer changes, make bold changes to the group, and discuss on the talk page! I hope to see you there, as well as Wikimeetup DC 4 if you're attending. ⇒SWATJester 16:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

MilHist FA problem

Raul, since you're a MilHist guy, there's a problem with a split to one of TomStar81's MilHist FAs, see User talk:SandyGeorgia#FA split. And, an IP removing articlehistory. I don't know if an admin should put the pieces back together, or if it comes to FAR, and if so which piece, since it's not clear now which article carries the star. It looks like (?) a unilateral split, because TomStar81 has been busy at school. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what Esemono (talk · contribs) did, I don't know where the article went, I don't know how to get it back, but a featured article is gone. (That oughta sum up why I'm not an admin.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyright question

Hi Raul, I saw with alarm that User:APRCooper had raised copyright questions today at Talk:Discovery Expedition about a map I uploaded from NASA and altered. I feel responsible. I saw the reference to Antarctic Digital Database (ADD) on the NASA map as clutter and did not realize that the ADD wasn't something that belonged to NASA. APRCooper in his latest note to you on the Discovery talk page says he'd be "quite happy if a note was placed in the Misplaced Pages meta-data for the map. NOAA observed the conditions; the person who re-used the map didn't." I think he means on the Commons where the licensing information lives, and I certainly don't mind adding something like "based on information from the Antarctic Digital Database." On the other hand, I know little about copyright law, and I don't want to somehow make things worse. Can you advise? Finetooth (talk) 23:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Replied there. Raul654 (talk) 01:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Retraction

As suggested by Oren0, I've edited the comment I made on the discussion page. bjquinn (talk)

Minor query

Hello there. I see that Super Smash Bros. Melee has been scheduled for May 14 and have realised, after checking the "Main page requests", that this wasn't requested. I know that articles don't have to be requested for them to be allocated a date, so as a matter of interest, I was just wondering how it came to be chosen, and for what reasons. I've looked on the Requests page, but it doesn't really explain the rationale or processes for articles that haven't been requested. This is just a matter of curiosity, but I'm really pleased with the decision as the major contributor of the article. Thanks, Raul. Ashnard _Talk 21:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

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WP:ITN/C

There was absolutely no consensus to add the Kentucky Derby to ITN. Why did you add it? -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 16:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

See below. Raul654 (talk) 16:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Kentucky Derby on ITN

Hi Raul- can you explain why you have added this item to the ITN template without participating in the discussion on the sugestions page, and indeed when there was a) consensus not to add it in that discusssion; b) it does not appear anywhere on the putative listing of ITN-able sporting events on Misplaced Pages:Sports on ITN? Did you check the discussion first, and could you maybe check in and give your reasoning? (I presume purely for turnover- the problem is, making these kinds of unilateral decisions for turnover shatters pre-existing consensus and precedents and invariably leads to large amounts of internecine grumbling down the line). Badgerpatrol (talk) 16:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• I added it because ITN was absurdly stale, with the same picture for the last 2 weeks and some news items even older than that. The derby item was suggested by Spencer on the candidates page (and although he withdrew it, I still considered it a valid suggestion). Raul654 (talk) 16:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

So you unilaterally considered it a valid suggestion, without adding to the discussion or attempting to build consensus- indeed you ignored the existing consensus completely. Either being an admin is "no big deal", or there are two classes of Wikipedians- admins and the rest. I really don't think you should have done this. There is a discussion, there was a consensus, and you ignored and neglected to participate. (I do agree that ITN was stale, there are other, better stories with consensus that haven't gone up, and if you are willing as an admin to participate in the discussion and update the template in line with consensus, so much the better and I hope to see you around on the candidates page). Badgerpatrol (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• • • Demanding that everyone "add to discussion" and "build consensus" are two of the biggest reasons that ITN wasn't updated for 2 straight weeks. Raul654 (talk) 18:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

ITN/C

Please check WP:ITN/C before adding items that have no consensus like the Kentucky Derby. We will only add horse races if there is a triple crown winner. Thank you for being a drive by admin and we'd all appreciate it if you could revert your addition. -- Grant.Alpaugh 16:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad someone had the good sense to get that utterly stale image off the main page, and add some worthy, missing and appropriate current news. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

And in the processs, wildly shattering a consensus that has been in the building for some time. Badgerpatrol (talk) 17:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Pointing to ITN's dysfunctional process, and claiming that its glacial speed is being upset by such radical ideas as having timely news items, is not an argument that is going to sway many people. Raul654 (talk) 18:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

A dysfunctional process is still better then no process at all. There was no concensus, and I don't think one admin's opinion will change that. And why those two? The London Mayor story had more support. --PlasmaTwa2 23:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Village pump post

FYI: (I thought you were traveling?) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I got back this morning, tired and slightly sunburned :) Raul654 (talk) 17:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Sounds nice :-) Hint: Laser brain ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. Raul654 (talk) 18:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Rosalind Picard

Thanks. You save me from getting an automated 3RR warning from the POV pushers. OrangeMarlin 01:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)