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Happy Holidays from Marlith /C Please feel free to contribute to Misplaced Pages:Song/The Twelve Days of Christmas

Credits: This card was inspired by Macy's123, assistant of V's Shop

Marlith /C 05:07, December 21 2007 (UTC)

Artist Pictures Reply

I'll take a look at that after I complete what I'm working on now. -Brian Alexander (talk) 15:23, December 28 2007 (UTC)

Re: Interesting

(Copied from User talk:Rrius) I figured you couldn't be replying to my comment yet because I had just finished. I'm sorry that I offended you. -Rrius (talk) 06:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You didn't really offend me. I get a bit snappy myself when perceive that others don't assume good faith, have a double standard, or ignore me (these are the three things that will set me off in a conversation). No worries. The Evil Spartan (talk) 06:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I was assuming good faith, really. You had an earlier comment further up the talk page, so it was natural to assume that was what you meant. -Rrius (talk) 06:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You didn't really offend me. I get a bit snappy myself when I perceive that others don't assume good faith, have a double standard, or ignore me (these are the three things that will set me off in a conversation). No worries. The Evil Spartan (talk) 06:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I was assuming good faith, really. You had an earlier comment further up the talk page, so it was natural to assume that was what you meant. -Rrius (talk) 06:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The keyword is perceive. I perceived the failure to assume good faith - that doesn't mean you weren't actually doing it. The Evil Spartan (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

United States presidential election, 2008

Please comment at Talk:United States presidential election, 2008#Candidates in the Infobox. -Rrius (talk) 20:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Please discussion first. That article has mostly gone with not having the images at the top of the article. GoodDay (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

That's big of you, considering the discussion has been on the talk page for at least 10 minutes now. The Evil Spartan (talk) 21:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Believe me, there's been past discussions over this since March 4th (when McCain became the presumptive Republican presidential nominee). GoodDay (talk) 21:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Please revert that edit

I saw your comment in the "Mulatto" section of Talk:Barack Obama. Using the word "nigger" just bothers too many people to make it worthwhile. I'm trying to tamp down emotion as we discuss some controversial changes in the article. It would be very helpful if you'd remove that comment or word because it can be interpreted as goading, meant just to irritate people. I'm not assuming that was your purpose. As a favor, please remove it. It would really help out. I'd appreciate it. Noroton (talk) 21:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't meant in the slightest bit to offend. Feel free to remove it yourself, I won't be unhappy. The Evil Spartan (talk) 21:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Evil one, perhaps you could change it to "N-word" or some such euphemism?Ferrylodge (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

All right, thanks. I'm not offended. I'll wait first for your response to FerryLodge. Noroton (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know any, or I would. Anyone else who wants to change it can. I'm quite nonchalant when it comes to things like words (I have a thick skin myself), so I usually end up dishing out more than I should. Just remove it. The Evil Spartan (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, no problem.  :-)Ferrylodge (talk) 21:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted image

Hi, is their any way I can see this deleted image: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dirty_Kuffar&diff=175648731&oldid=175165217 Thank you User:Arthur Warrington Thomas (talk) 15:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You can ask the deleting admin for help: User:Shell Kinney. The Evil Spartan (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Xplor international

Thanks for your interest in our organization. As one of the 3,000 members (and one who has been active for 23 years) I appreciate any further help you could provide in improving our article Mrprtr (talk) 18:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, we can't figure out how to change the name of the title. It should be 'Xplor International' (please see www.xplor.org). ThanksMrprtr (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Once again, thanks for your interest in our organization. I am sure that you followed some of the external links to other web sites and found the programs that we have run over the past 27 years as a not-for-profit organizaton. An example would be: XML Forum: Introduction to XSLT, Xpath, XSL-FO.

Also many other large, legitimate organizations reference the organization: IBM

And if you Google on Xplor AND Documents you get over 40,000 hits (which isn't suprising for a 27 year old international tecnnical association).

Carl Sagan (in 1988), John Naisbitt and Alvin Toffler (in 1989) and even Dilbert's Scott Adams (in 1995) addressed the association general meeting.

John Warnock spoke on numerous occasions in the mid-90s as Adobe launched PDF.

The Public Printer of the United States lead a special Xplor session for government pinters and organizations that contract to them.

As we build this article and can find citations, we will be adding much of this material.

Again any constructive suggestions would be most appreciated.

William Broddy edp (talk) 05:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

At this point, I am not debating the notability of your organization. However, the page is unquestionably written like an advertisement, not an encyclopedia article, and it needs to be fixed. The Evil Spartan (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your observation. Could you point me to an article about another industry association that would be a good model? A couple of us have been trying to crack the code on how to dso this.William Broddy edp (talk) 05:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know any others in your field, however, I believe Adobe Systems is a good short article for comparison. The Evil Spartan (talk) 05:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I had a look at the Adobe Systems article and went through a number of the articles in Professional associations. My observation was that an article should be written in the third person and that it should focus on history and statistics.

I also noticed that the majority of associations are also flagged as adverts. Is this because their style is first-person plural, e.g. AIIM?

Am I cracking the code yet :-?

William Broddy edp (talk) 06:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

An article not only should, but must be written in the third person. The other article you have tagged also has problems sounding like an advertisement. Quite simply put: the article should sound like an encyclopedia article written by an uninvolved source, not like something you might find on the business's website. In fact, we often include criticism sections: see American Family Association. The Evil Spartan (talk) 14:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for your opinion

		Please Vote For Change We Can Believe In Or Even No Change at Obama Article
		Requesting your final opinion on the Bill Ayers language You previously !voted (here) on what language to use at the Barack Obama page. We're trying to get a consensus now. Please take another look at how the discussion has progressed (especially here) and consider what option might make the best consensus, then !vote again at Talk:Barack Obama#Call the question after detailed discussion: Option 3 or not?. Please keep in mind the discussion has been long, so if you can accept what seems to be a likely option, please do. This is one of Misplaced Pages's most prominent articles. Thank you. Noroton (talk) 23:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama article

You seem to be edit warring over adding problematic non-consensus material there. I don't know if you've reviewed the history and the talk page, but this is an ongoing discussion and you seem to be editing in support of tendentious editor / likely sockpuppet. My hunch is that the article is very close to needing protection if people are going to keep trying to add the material. I urge you to self-revert, and instead participate in the discussion if you wish to contribute. Thanks, Wikidemo (talk) 17:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

In fact, I am and have been participating in this discussion; I suspect protection is imminent. I have also, you may note, left a rather nasty request to stop socking on the user's talk page. The Evil Spartan (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Please take another look at the Obama vote

I've moved my vote into the "Option 3" column, and I don't think anything else could possibly pass. Could you support that option? I think that if you do change your vote, now is the best time, because other people may follow once they see movement in that direction. Please think about it. Link: Talk:Barack Obama#Call the question after detailed discussion: Option 3 or not?. By the way, it looks like Shem is building up a case that could get you blocked. Please be careful. Thanks, Noroton (talk) 21:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Beck and FAIR

I'm not going to revert you (yet) because I don't like to edit war. However what you are doing over on Glenn Beck is not acceptable and I think you know that. The question of how we ought to label (or not label) Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting has been debated for some time at the talk page of that article. You are well aware of this. Your preferred term "liberal" had no consensus whatsoever. Yes, I know there are sources which describe FAIR as "liberal." You also know that there are sources which do not. So why do we use your source which describes them as liberal rather than another one which calls them progressive, or simply calls them "FAIR?" Other than personal preference based on your politics, what is your basis for choosing one over the other when it comes to label FAIR (which I don't think is even necessary) in the Beck article? "The quote is sourced" is not a good explanation. We don't include any and everything that is sourced and there are conflicting sources here. More importantly, how can you possibly justify calling FAIR one thing on its own article but another on an article that mentions it? "This is Beck's article (not FAIR's)" is an absurd statement. Are you seriously arguing that we should use different adjectives for the same group based on the whim of whomever happens to be at article X or article Y, rather than agreeing on an adjective at the parent article and then applying that throughout the encyclopedia? Would you be okay with me running over to an article which mentioned the Heritage Foundation and adding in "right wing" just because one or two reliable sources used that term? I would hope not because if I did that I would be POV pushing.

I'm not going to rehash the whole argument with you and explain why "liberal" is simply inaccurate when it comes to FAIR because they are to the left of American liberalism. I don't know why you are so obsessed with labeling FAIR liberal or left-wing or whatever, but don't drag that dispute to other pages. There's a new discussion about it at the FAIR talk page so why don't you head over there again? Right now consensus was apparently reached to use the term "progressive" earlier in the article. If you want to change that consensus than have a go at it, don't insert your personal preferred term over at Glenn Beck or anywhere else. And please don't accuse me of trying to "sanitize" anything, whatever that means. I've already said (repeatedly) that FAIR is to the left of "liberal," which from your perspective is obviously worse. The arguments for describing them as progressive are thoroughly articulated at the FAIR talk page and that's the place to discuss this further. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 07:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)