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Re: Talk redirs

Hi there. Sorry for taking a bit to get back to you – I was distracted.

So... I was browsin' the 'pedia recently and I came across User:Jpgordon's user page, which had an interesting quote on it from User:Tony Sidaway. It read, "Do no harm. All the rest is wikilawyering." It's a loose "translation" of Hillel's Golden Rule, and it struck me as the way that I (try) to contribute to this project. I do a lot of deletions, but with every one of them, my goal is to do no harm. Deleting talk page redirects that have no incoming links and have only one revision, in my opinion, does no harm. I apologize for any inconvenience my deletions may have caused you. I personally filtered the list to ensure that I didn't hit the Scouting project pages that you had restored previously. Seems I missed a template though. My apologies for that as well.

I hope you're enjoying the summer and that all is well. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

See your talk. — RlevseTalk00:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
This is an incorrect assumption. Redirects serve at least three purposes other than page renames and incoming wikilinks: Incoming links from outside of Misplaced Pages, users who type in XYZ in the search box on the left side of the screen and click "Go," and users who type in http://en.wikipedia.org/XYZ in their web browsers. Before deleting any redirect, you need to ask yourself if any of these three things are plausible. If they are even remotely plausible, and there isn't another good reason to delete that particular redirect, such as to create a disambig page or make way for a page move, then do no harm and discuss it before deleting it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC) note: above discussion expanded on and continued on MZMbride's talk page davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I didn't delete anything, it's MZMcBride doing the deleting. — RlevseTalk01:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Err... whoops. I pointed him to my post here so I wouldn't have to regurgitate myself. davidwr: Please come to my talk page if you'd like to discuss this. Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, but it's straightened out now. — RlevseTalk01:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Your message

Hello Rlevse. No it really is meant to be take contact, I could change it to something like "talk" instead, if that sounds better. Best regards, --Kanonkas :  Take Contact  17:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

If you don't understand that, then it's better to update the signature. I hope you understand it now, does it look good now? --Kanonkas :  Talk  17:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry Rlevse but I can't answer your coaching questions now because I'll be gone in around 1 week. Hope you understand. Hope you can help me with article writing too. Best regads, --Kanonkas :  Talk  17:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Assistance and a second set of eyes

I've probably got myself into another debate here that isn't worth my time, but please review my edits and my discussions at Südtiroler Pfadfinderschaft. I am quite knowledgeable on this region and I tried to update the wikilinks while clarifying the historical context. The user Jergen reverted the edits, made nonsense claims in the talk section, and stated that since the article is about a German scouting group, that the terms should be in German (!?!). My understanding of Misplaced Pages policy is that we update wikilinks and always maintain English usage. Anyway, I don't want an edit war, I hope we can have some simple discussions on the talk page. If I'm wrong about something I'm happy to hear it and be corrected (hopefully with logic :). I personally thought I did a good job at updating the links and also clarifying a bit why the certain terms are used and also that the province of Bolzano/Bozen is part of the southern area of the historical count of Tyrol. Alto Adige and especially South Tyrol are more recent colloquial terms. cheers, Icsunonove (talk) 23:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Jergen is very pro-German language, it's caused issues before. I'll take a look. — RlevseTalk23:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Gotcha. Well, I think it is no problem to compromise if it makes him relax. I really tried my best to have the historical facts be correct and enrich the article. In fact, I tried to make all the cities listed (with updated wikilinks) but including both Italian and German names -- just in case anyone got bent out of shape. But, I disagree with him reverting my edits and just blowing them off with saying that this is a German group, so German should be used. I guess I don't see why someone needs to do that, the German language is doing just fine. :] He didn't even respond to the points I made in the discussion! LOL. Icsunonove (talk) 23:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

invitation

and thank you very much for the invitation as well! i need to update my main page on current projects.

I'm here!

If you on, can we talk, here? Thanks, Dusti 23:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Nyannrunning (2nd)

Please follow up on this SSP. Note that you closed a previous SSP, Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Dooyar, involving one of the users accused here. Shalom (HelloPeace) 13:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/David Justin (3rd)

I copy this from my talk page. Shalom (HelloPeace) 16:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I suggest we block the sock to discourage this behavior. The sock has not been used since the case was raised, which strongly implies that there's not a real person who has been unjustly accused. David Justin should continue to edit under his own name. (I think it's unlikely that David Justin has forgotten how to sign in. You'll see here that he stopped editing under his own name on 27 April 2006 and resumed again on 6 March 2007 without a problem. A checkuser on the sock could be compared with the earlier Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/David Justin might yield some interesting results. Spiro Keats (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll send this to User talk:Rlevse. He's the administrator I consult when I can't handle a situation on my own. Shalom (HelloPeace) 16:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Chadf b

As you took care of this before, User:LN SUX seems to be another sock. Two edits, and same MO (plus the account name tends to give it away). Aboutmovies (talk) 22:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I tagged him and someone already blocked him for a username vio. — RlevseTalk22:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Technical questions

I have a couple of questions:

Aren't ArbCom votes straight majority? For example, if something passes 4 to 3 or 5 to 4, does that mean the thing passes? I note that it says "Each part will be subject to a simple-majority vote" here, but would like your word on it.

And second question:

How long does an ArbCom sanction last? Are they all only for one year or something, in such cases as a time limit is not specified?

It would help if you responded on my own talk page. Thanks (: ——Martin Ψ Φ—— 01:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

May I send you a question by email then?

Wait a sec, I think I figured it out. Looked like something different than it was- they simply neglected to vote either yes or no, so a majority was not reached on a decision. Sorry to bother you. ——Martin Ψ Φ—— 02:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Super World Champions

This one should be easy. Just block NintendoDSKing and close it. Shalom (HelloPeace) 03:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Oingoboing69: it's basically stale, but for the sake of thoroughness you should block all the accounts and close that case too. As I wrote there, it's obvious. Shalom (HelloPeace) 03:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

re User:Xasha / Arb logs

Thank you - I knew there was something I had forgotten. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Vintagekits

I contact you as the first person I recognized who has unblocked Vintagekits in the past. Perhaps you'd like to have a discussion with this user about fulfilling the terms of his block. It sure seems like he's been getting it on with User:84.67.217.88 (undoubtably someone's sockpuppet). On second thought, if it's a puppet, perhaps it ought to be blocked. The Evil Spartan (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Pls provide diffs. — RlevseTalk18:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
(last diff self-reverted). These vaguely have to do with the Irish-British issues: Talk:Wayne_McCullough#Nationality. The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I queried him on that nationality thread. — RlevseTalk20:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Admin Coaching

I'm not sure, but in case you haven't seen, could you have a look at this?. Thanks a lot. Steve Crossin (talk)(email) 18:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

MfD for Haseldine Talk Archive

If you have a min, would you mind closing the following case - the last Admin requested to do so has now voted on the case, so can no longer action it. Cheers Socrates2008 (Talk) 22:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I changed my vote, but when the edit saved you had already closed it. Anyway I agree that the deletion was reasonable. Yechiel (Shalom) 23:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking positive action here. Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion on this IFD

Hi R, I wonder if you'd care to comment at WP:Images and media for deletion/2008 June 3#Image:Donald G Barnhouse.jpg, perchance? I'd be interested in your views on NFCC in this instance. Regards, JGHowes - 00:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

My guess is that this is just a part of the cover as it only shows this person, not the whole cover. You may simply be able to change the FUR tag to a non-magazine cover one. — RlevseTalk00:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for looking at this, you're right. I cropped it from the full cover, so I suppose {{fairusein}} might be appropriate if it looks like the IFD will prevail. Or maybe the full magazine cover is preferable when a {{Non-free magazine cover}} license is being used. JGHowes - 00:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd say FU it and just use the magazine as a source. — RlevseTalk01:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see

here. Moreschi's page is long, and I'm not sure how soon it'll be looked into. Ncmvocalist (talk) 01:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreshci blocked Molopdopo 48 hours on June 2. — RlevseTalk02:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello. If I may discuss that Wikiquette Alert with you a bit - so, I know my recent complaints must be getting tiring, and exhausting people's patience is the last thing I want to do. I'm not seeking retribution against Moldopodo; all I'd like is a civil editing environment where some basic standards are adhered to. That means no personal attacks, a rule he has (in my view) clearly violated. I don't want to go to Arbitration Enforcement again; I don't want to seem like a serial litigator or someone out on a crusade. At the same time, I do want it impressed upon Moldopodo in no uncertain terms that his language is unacceptable. So what do you suggest would be a reasonable way forward, both to end the attacks and not have this escalate? Biruitorul 04:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

If he won't change, continues to be uncivil, etc, your choices are WP:AE or an RFC on user conduct. If you do nothing, he'll never change. — RlevseTalk10:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Robert W. Peterson (writer) DYK

Here's the nom: WP:TDYK#Articles created/expanded on June 4, but I'm not entirely happy with the hook; improvement is welcome. JGHowes - 02:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

And that he was also a prolific writing of magazine articles for the Boy Scouts of America? Was Peterson black or white? PS, what do you think of the BSA article status? — RlevseTalk02:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
A good suggestion, I've amended the hook. Peterson was white. His photo appears in the New York Times obituary, which is cited as a source in the article. I'm about to add some oft-delayed content to the BSA article and then it should be ready for FAC. JGHowes - 02:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

K.C. Nightingale SD

This is a hoax and someone tagged it CSD-A7, actually it's CSD-A3. I was going to put a uw-hoax warning on Kcn1111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Talk page, but was waiting for the article to be deleted first. Would you delete, please? IP68.244.149.193 is undoubtedly a sock of his.JGHowes - 11:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Gone. — RlevseTalk11:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: clerk tasks

Ah, I wasn't aware that simple act too was steeped in bureaucratic methods. Thanks for the note, anyway. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 16:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Scout images

I saw you earlier working around with the "new" {{Non-free Scout logo}} that is replacing {{|Non-free Scoutlogo}}. Its a thing to make all Non-free image tags machine readable by transclusion, and you don't need to waste valuable editing time running through AWB with them, MBisanzBot, will in a couple days, we running through all the changes at User:MBisanz/BotR per Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/MBisanzBot 3 and doing all the name changes. Figured I'd save you a couple thousand clicks at AWB. MBisanz 08:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

OH, ok, I don't mind actually, but I'll let you do it--most of them anyway;-). Let me know when it's done. I figured out why the change was made. — RlevseTalk09:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

jergen

You'll have to figure out what that dude is up to. He went back and even renamed links from Bolzano (Bozen) to Bozen (Bolzano). o_O Icsunonove (talk) 19:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I see a lot of your points, but it'll probably take steps in WP:DR to settle this. The question is, are you willing to go through those steps? — RlevseTalk20:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, lets give it one more shot to see if he can just discuss things amongst fellow editors in a relaxed environment. I tried to ask him on the talk page what specific info he feels might be missing. However, if all he wants to do is revert wikilink corrections and pursue the use of the German language on English Misplaced Pages -- well, I guess we have to ask someone to intervene then (and yes, I will help support that). Or we go to German Misplaced Pages, start and edit war, and fix their spelling of Californien! just kidding. later, Icsunonove (talk) 04:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Back after a few days, and I see the discussion is raging in all new directions. :-) At this point I think it is beyond anything what is on scouting pages, and should almost be taken offline (e-mail, phone, telegraph?). LOL! I don't think it is necessary to go to WP:DR though, it just seems a bit frivolous now... At least the Lakers won. :) Icsunonove (talk) 06:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand Icsunonove's problem. All place names in Südtiroler Pfadfinderschaft follow now the rules on Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (geographic names) (with the possible exception of Merano/Meran, but there seems to be no definitive rule for this town) - and now he wants them to follow his own inofficial rules. He removes content randomly and without explanation from the article - even if it is non-disputed , does not understand the usage of infoboxes ("headquarter" instead of the correct variable "headquarters"), inserts a category that should not be used , ...
Nearly every edit by Icsunonove is questionable, mainly because he does not explain them, does not follow the rules and manuals of style or shows poor knowledge of wiki-syntax. --jergen (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
You both explain your edits but don't agree. I hope you can work this out. To me, this looks like another "what language do we use" dispute that I've seen so often in central and east Europe, like the German-Polish debates, etc. — RlevseTalk09:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm asking our project mediator to step in. User:Bduke. — RlevseTalk12:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that is a good idea. Can just have him decide what to do. I just think we should use English and also be factually correct with statements. If they want to move the Italian scout org to Italian, then sure, change the links. But I personally feel trying to use English on en.wikipedia really helps our readers, but that is just me. :) I indeed have seen a very strong push by German-speaking editors to cement their language as the way to call places they are familiar with. Seems a bit boring, but, whatever. :) talk to you later, Icsunonove (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Just letting you know that someone partially reverted another editor's notation to the log for the Palestine-Israel case . Perhaps the reversion was proper, but just letting you know about it in case it wasn't. Cla68 (talk) 21:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I saw that and have been watching since earlier today. It has gotten worse and now has ANI, so I'll follow that. Right now I'd say that since hasn't edited the article it self since prior to the arb case, it appears Kelly is wrong here. — RlevseTalk22:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I hate to say this, but I think for once we can say that it has actually been protected in the wrong version. The AN/I consensus is clear that SlimVirgin shouldn't have been added to the notification log, and that Kelly was in the wrong, yet now SlimVirgin is on the list - it's a small black mark on the editor, and suggests she's been undertaking disruptive editing on the page, which is obviously false. I'd appreciate it if you could remove the name, until someone comes up with one diff that shows SV disruptively editing a Palestine-Israeli article. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the wrong version is in place. — RlevseTalk22:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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Appeal to dignity

Considering this in the view ofthis, shouldn't you block yourself?Xasha (talk) 16:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Nah, I'd rather give him an award. MBisanz 19:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Forgot that moral sense and "law is equal for everybody" don't work on Misplaced Pages.Xasha (talk) 19:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
So, could we hear a motivation? Or admin responsibility doesn't work here either?Xasha (talk) 13:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I did was warn you pursuant to this: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement/Archive22#User:Xasha. Someone else blocked you, not me. — RlevseTalk21:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes you didn't, but you noted the block in the log with a personal motivation, not consistent with that given by the blocker.Xasha (talk) 22:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Help needed

Can you please take a look at this incident. Your help would be much appreciated. Thanks Watchdogb (talk) 13:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Done by MBisanz. — RlevseTalk09:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Robert W. Peterson (writer)

Hi Rlevse, this article made DYK yesterday. In case you missed it on the Main Page, here is the final version as it appeared there. JGHowes - 14:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

darn, I missed it. Thanks for letting me know. — RlevseTalk14:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Only because there are no edits yet. If there aren't any within a few hours, move it to the holding pen; if he never edits, let it eventually be deleted as inactive. For the sake of good faith (we've had a couple recently that look promotional but aren't editing that way).

Thanks for the offer, but I'll get around to doing it myself soon. Daniel Case (talk) 02:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Treasury Tag

Hi Rlevse. Back in November you placed Rambutan / Porcupine / Treasury Tag on a probation strictly limiting him to one account. He's asked on WP:AN if he can create a second account to edit from public computers (link). My initial opinion is that would be okay, providing his userpage clearly identifies the second account, and the second account is clearly linked to the main, but as you imposed the probation, I thought your view would be appreciated. Neıl 14:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)