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Try making the list of deleted articles an actual list, instead of one big honkin' paragraph. It's really hard to read, and all I can really see is ], ], ], etc. By the way, why do you have the articles linked if they're dead? (makes it even harder to read.) ] (]) 02:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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==Problem with finding population figures== | ==Problem with finding population figures== | ||
Not an easy task I;m afraid for some third world countries as they haven't published data online. Falling grain indicates these places you tagged have an average around 2000 - 2500 people but the exact figure from that site can't really be taken as fully 100% accurate. Such a pity the lack of eveness online as I'm certain a lot could be said about these places on paper ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 10:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*That's why I prodded them. ] (]) 10:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
**And I removed the prods. The general concensus is that '''all settlements are notable''', and pretty much every one survives at AFD. I'm an ''''']]]]'''''<sup>]]</sup> 10:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
***Without a population figure, how do we know it ''is'' a settlement? ] (]) 10:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
::A number of sites clarify they are "populated places". But you must have seen some of the villages on the news and even the smaller settlements are crowded with people. They are real places with real people with real histories. I'd rather have a lot the write about them too. I wonder if there are any Afghans on here which could find something ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 11:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
I've done some research and have found this statement "The only previous population census in Afghanistan was a partial, incomplete one conducted in 1979. Consequently, there currently exists a very limited ... | |||
I googled Afghanistan census.... SO only one incomlete census of the country was conducted in 1979. SO modern day population figures is actually impossible as there hasn't been a census in nearly 30 years due to political reasons. ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 10:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*So give the 1979 figure, why not? ] (]) 11:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Tisn't available online,. Probably has been destroyed during the Afghan war in the 80s or at least of not then by the Taliban even on paper. Perhaps its time the new government thought about doing one which is extremely difficult due the circumstances in that country ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 11:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC). | |||
*So, a town may have been depopulated, and we would have no way of knowing. That's why a population figure is so important. ] (]) 11:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Yes I've seen that map before but the more you study things like that the more you realize that even these provinces let alone the whole countries are very large and it is awful that there is practically nothing online about them. ] covvers 44,000 square kilometres, this is why I find it frustrating when people think there is nothing notable to be added within that area. If you see the Badakhsan page there are around 825,000 people living in that province. Just imagine if we didn't have any articles on an area with 825,000 people in the UNited States. iNterestingly the 1979 figure is also given, I'll have a look around but I doubt we'll find anything on the web ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 11:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*Doesn't have to be online. ] (]) 11:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Here are some limited sources only lists the main cites and only names the districts and their population. But that page was drawn up using a paper soource from the Afghan Centrla Bureau of Statistsics. You;d think something would be avilable on paper ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 11:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*I don't think ] is the issue, it's ]. ] (]) 11:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Don't start again because I will just continue to create them and they will be kept. ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 11:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*Not necessarily; I'm being very selective in my prodding. ] (]) 12:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Can I just say that the geonames server only lists places which are populated at the time of compilation. Estimates of the population are around 2000 people as in most of these villages. There are vast quanities of places not included in maps and in online databases. I think inclusion on satellite maps and in various gazetteers qualifies as notable. ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 12:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*Wars do strange things, as do shattered economies. If the place has been depopulated, we can't know it. And the database seems to have mistaken entries. ] (]) 19:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
::If the place was ever populated, it was notable then and remains notable. I've removed the prods on articles like this. sometimes unpopulated places have been deleted at AfD if there is evidence that they have never been populated, usually from satellite or map evidence. All sources, even the most reliable, make mistakes, but the source is good enough to be presumed accurate unless shown otherwise, just like government databases in general. ''']''' (]) 21:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Why was BBTS speedy deleted?== | |||
I don't have what I put on the page, but they're a notable group within the field of transfusion medicine, they publish a respected research journal, run conferences, provide scientific advice to the NHS, etc... | |||
They're a specialized group, and marginally notable to the public at large, especially outside of the UK, but speedily deleting them seems highly inappropriate. Professional organizations at a national level are not someone's garage band. ] (]) 16:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*It was for not asserting importance or notability. You've said more about it just now on my talk page than in the original article; just recreate it with more text and I'm sure it'll survive. ] (]) 18:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
==police forces== | |||
There is some question whether they fit "organisation" so I think it safer to delete them via Prod. ''']''' (]) 13:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Wrong sock?== | |||
See ]. Have you any evidence for a connection? — ] (] | ]) 16:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*Not particularly malicious. Adds false information. Recreates delete articles. Does not communicate. Never uses edit summaries. Never edits sections. Sometimes stops using one particular account and then creates a new one, even when the account has not been blocked yet. Usernames start with Dr. or Mr. Makes a few useful edits. | |||
*The only differences are his username style looks different (except the Drhimnisfier234 and Mrtractorcrash ones, they fit). His pop culture interests seem to have switched to British soaps, but this could be an attempt to mislead. Or, something might have changed in his personal life. ] (]) 19:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Rudbar== | |||
CLick on coordinates in the article use geo hack and select hybrid google maps. The coordinates are slightly off, Rudbar is located slightly to the east and the road alongside the river can be seen clearly. It dones't look like a huge city but there is something. Also some of the those "perma Afghan stubs" have now been expanded with paper sources revealing they each have their own personal histories and interesting story about river valleys etc that they are located in. If we could eventually have a fuller articles for everywhere and some population figure I think this would drmaatically improve the encyclopedically long term and I still think stubbing these articles is a good start ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 14:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
I would hardly call them mistakes. Occasionally the coordinates may need tweaking with adding the seconds so they are three digits and more precise but I'd hardly call it a blunder ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 16:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Good work with ]. There must be thousands missing like this all over africa and asia ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 10:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | Good work with ]. There must be thousands missing like this all over africa and asia ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 10:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
What we do need is the get all of the sub prefectures of Chad up and running. There shouldn't be any problems with notability there ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 10:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | What we do need is the get all of the sub prefectures of Chad up and running. There shouldn't be any problems with notability there ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 10:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
⚫ | *I made Am Dam because it was in the news, but yes, the Sub-Prefectures would all be notable. Did you notice that I found (and fixed) a ''42 kilometer'' error in the coordinates of the city of ]? ] (]) 13:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Naming conventions
What do you think of the allopathic discussion, in light of this WP:policy? I think it's applicable, and fits well with the compromise we've hammered out, and I'd be interested to see if you have any further thoughts. Thanks, Antelan 20:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean. I'm going to wait a bit before messing with the article, as there seems to be some work being done on it. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 07:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Problem with finding population figures
Good work with Am Dam. There must be thousands missing like this all over africa and asia ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 10:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
What we do need is the get all of the sub prefectures of Chad up and running. There shouldn't be any problems with notability there ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 10:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
- I made Am Dam because it was in the news, but yes, the Sub-Prefectures would all be notable. Did you notice that I found (and fixed) a 42 kilometer error in the coordinates of the city of Mongo, Chad? Phlegm Rooster (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Cult of intelligence
The rationale for the proposed deletion of the Cult of intelligence article is invalid so I've removed it. If you feel the article lack synthesis because the "intelligence" referred to in the book title is meant in the espionage sense. You should have understood the article is not only Victor Marchetti's book. It reflect that the fact that the term "cult of intelligence" has been used in different contexts as well. --Loremaster (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- When I search "cult of intelligence" -marchetti -cia -wikipedia I get 113 Google hits. If I search for marchetti OR cia OR espionage AND "cult of intelligence" I get 562 Google hits.