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| Hi, Sophie. I note that you started editing ] in all caps again as soon as the 24-hour block ended. Please don't do that, it's seen as yelling, and it does look "hysterical", as your opponents on the page say. It's very hard for an outsider to follow what you say, especially if they can't read French, as all your references are to webpages in French. Could you try to find webpages in English to refer to as evidence for your claims? I myself found an English page by YMB about the Bogdanoff affair pretty easily through Google, so it can't be impossible. Please adduce facts and evidence to your claims, so that readers have a chance to evaluate them. Your editing does look better than before the block, so I won't re-block you right now. But if I see you do more name-calling or using all caps on that page again, I'm afraid I'll have to. Best wishes, ] | ] 14:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC) | Hi, Sophie. I note that you started editing ] in all caps again as soon as the 24-hour block ended. Please don't do that, it's seen as yelling, and it does look "hysterical", as your opponents on the page say. It's very hard for an outsider to follow what you say, especially if they can't read French, as all your references are to webpages in French. Could you try to find webpages in English to refer to as evidence for your claims? I myself found an English page by YMB about the Bogdanoff affair pretty easily through Google, so it can't be impossible. Please adduce facts and evidence to your claims, so that readers have a chance to evaluate them. Your editing does look better than before the block, so I won't re-block you right now. But if I see you do more name-calling or using all caps on that page again, I'm afraid I'll have to. Best wishes, ] | ] 14:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| The opponent calling me hysterical did so when I had not posted anythiing at all so you should read the page again, what is written in capital letter was inserted long after the texts previous to it and after it had been written, so you can see that he is asking for my banishment for no reasons at all. | |||
| I have not being editing ANYTHING AT ALL on this site and you know that. | |||
| YBM has been editing all my writtings on it from the beginning also those of a user called Laurence but you never noticed it and do not blame him for that WHY? does he have the right to do it or are you just YBM himself? | |||
| I don't see why you are talking about people who cannot read french as all I read is written in english and the links you talk about show a webside with links in it to the same contain in english and in german. Things you will know if you had consulted them instead of attacking me. | |||
| You talk about yelling I am attackt for no reason and have to be subject to punishments which I do not deserve, and that you impose on me unjustified. | |||
| All the reason you evoce her do not exist. | |||
| I do not have edit anyone but my own texts. | |||
| I write in english | |||
| My links show a place written in 3 different languages. | |||
| Links shown by other also show french web site in french like fr. physic and there is links on the french site about the bogdanov affair who show web site in english, so what you are saying is rabbish, and od not constitute an excuse for expulsion but are low argumentation to show an excuse to through me out, exactly as YBM did. | |||
| The links i showed are not a web site about the bogdanov but about Voyer and YBM who act as a prove that the motives of YBM in that affair are not to conduct a scientific evaluation of the theory advanced by the Bogdanov, but a social experiment about manipulation of the masses and of evidences, as it is described in the web site which links are available in my column. Another link show what Voyer and YBM did to 2 other writers, a man ans a woman, previously to that affair, and show that he used of exactly the same tool as for this one, and that he stopped doing it when he begin to take care of the Bogdanovs affair. He is insulting the writters abondantly and even show the cover of their books with the title "de la merde!" made in such a way to appear like if it was its real title. | |||
| I would like you to come forword with prove that I edited somebody text 'cause I dont see any. | |||
| As for your 2 texts above I do not see what is the problem with them so explain yourself. | |||
| What do you mean by threat? what kind of threat? | |||
| I do read on YBM column a threat to get me banished and a threat to get me ignored and a threat to deleete all my texts no matter what I write with links to wiki revert function, which is illegal by wikis rules, and a threat to get presented as a vandaliser of the site with a link to do it, even so I did not have written a word about it. | |||
| What do you mean I am not talking about the subject? Where? | |||
| I am firmly keeping the subject: there is no error what so ever in the Bogdanovs book and in their thesis, there is no attempt on their part at lying or at making a bluff out of science, there is people who pretend to be what they are not and pretend to detain evidences of something they barely understand, and who constantly insult the Bogdanovs and anyone who do not have the same opi8nion as they have, who insult the Bogdanovs famili, teachers, physical appearence, life, friends, constantly and in many forum of the internet. | |||
| This person is YBM and his associate are: Romnulphe, Voyer, rayon-z, and Max, and their name are to be followed every time YBM appear on a site about the subject. | |||
| There is plenty of links about it. | |||
| The Bogdanov have already discussed and rediscussed each and every point of the list of so called errors presented by those pseudo scientist, and have proven them wrong and other scientist have intervene too to explain how it had to be understood in theoretical physic, but yBm keep using them as if Igor had never argumented against it, and even do it in a way as if it was because he couldn't argue against it, even a fiew blog after he had got an all explaination about it. | |||
| It just doesn't make sens. | |||
| He always provocate people by personnal attacks and then reproach them to don't stick to the subject. | |||
| Thats a clear line in all his appearences on the net. | |||
| A specialist in theoritical science has once demonstrate to him how it hang together and explained each of the points he had listed, but even with that who was a perfect demonstration, he answered: I don't give a shit about it, and even if you prove me wrong on all points, I will continue anyway! he says that on fr. physic, and i put the link to it here and on the french wiki about the bogdanovs. | |||
| Of course, if someone has decided that no matter what they will continue to attack you, even prooven wrong, there is not much one can do. | |||
| His motives are unlegetimate, and thats what has to be understood. There is no real Bogdanov affair, it started with a paper in an scientific magazin, and the person who wrote that paper retracted it 4 days later as being wrong! | |||
| John Baez did work further on it but was proven wrong by his collegues, and do not agree with YBMs' way of thought. Any references to John Baez is outdated from 2 to 3 years. | |||
| All recent web site with speech from him are made by YBM on his own and without the consentment of John Baez. | |||
| Writing to people employers is a method YBM used against the Bogdanov in that case but also against Sophie B. and Xavier in the other affair he conducted against 2 other writers, the women had written a cooking book!!! and lost her job because of him the other was a teacher and also lost his job because of the nature of the letters that YBM sendt to his employer. | |||
| I think that enough is enough and that this guy has to be stopped. | |||
| He cannot continue to create misery to all kind of people just for the fun of it. | |||
| It is to be noticed that Xavier went to school with this YBM, and that YBM used the internet as a revenge agianst the succes of his class maid. | |||
| Quiet pathetic, don't you think? | |||
| This story is an act of madness and of jalousy. | |||
| sophie--] 03:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Crossposted to ]: block== | ==Crossposted to ]: block== | ||
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You have been blocked for 24 hours for disruptive edits at Talk:Bogdanov Affair, particularly this edit and this legal threat. Please see Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks and Misplaced Pages:No legal threats. Please edit more constructively when you return. Bishonen | talk 01:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
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Hi, Sophie. I note that you started editing Talk:Bogdanov Affair in all caps again as soon as the 24-hour block ended. Please don't do that, it's seen as yelling, and it does look "hysterical", as your opponents on the page say. It's very hard for an outsider to follow what you say, especially if they can't read French, as all your references are to webpages in French. Could you try to find webpages in English to refer to as evidence for your claims? I myself found an English page by YMB about the Bogdanoff affair pretty easily through Google, so it can't be impossible. Please adduce facts and evidence to your claims, so that readers have a chance to evaluate them. Your editing does look better than before the block, so I won't re-block you right now. But if I see you do more name-calling or using all caps on that page again, I'm afraid I'll have to. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 14:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC) The opponent calling me hysterical did so when I had not posted anythiing at all so you should read the page again, what is written in capital letter was inserted long after the texts previous to it and after it had been written, so you can see that he is asking for my banishment for no reasons at all. I have not being editing ANYTHING AT ALL on this site and you know that. YBM has been editing all my writtings on it from the beginning also those of a user called Laurence but you never noticed it and do not blame him for that WHY? does he have the right to do it or are you just YBM himself? I don't see why you are talking about people who cannot read french as all I read is written in english and the links you talk about show a webside with links in it to the same contain in english and in german. Things you will know if you had consulted them instead of attacking me. You talk about yelling I am attackt for no reason and have to be subject to punishments which I do not deserve, and that you impose on me unjustified. All the reason you evoce her do not exist. I do not have edit anyone but my own texts. I write in english My links show a place written in 3 different languages. Links shown by other also show french web site in french like fr. physic and there is links on the french site about the bogdanov affair who show web site in english, so what you are saying is rabbish, and od not constitute an excuse for expulsion but are low argumentation to show an excuse to through me out, exactly as YBM did. The links i showed are not a web site about the bogdanov but about Voyer and YBM who act as a prove that the motives of YBM in that affair are not to conduct a scientific evaluation of the theory advanced by the Bogdanov, but a social experiment about manipulation of the masses and of evidences, as it is described in the web site which links are available in my column. Another link show what Voyer and YBM did to 2 other writers, a man ans a woman, previously to that affair, and show that he used of exactly the same tool as for this one, and that he stopped doing it when he begin to take care of the Bogdanovs affair. He is insulting the writters abondantly and even show the cover of their books with the title "de la merde!" made in such a way to appear like if it was its real title. I would like you to come forword with prove that I edited somebody text 'cause I dont see any. As for your 2 texts above I do not see what is the problem with them so explain yourself. What do you mean by threat? what kind of threat? I do read on YBM column a threat to get me banished and a threat to get me ignored and a threat to deleete all my texts no matter what I write with links to wiki revert function, which is illegal by wikis rules, and a threat to get presented as a vandaliser of the site with a link to do it, even so I did not have written a word about it. What do you mean I am not talking about the subject? Where? I am firmly keeping the subject: there is no error what so ever in the Bogdanovs book and in their thesis, there is no attempt on their part at lying or at making a bluff out of science, there is people who pretend to be what they are not and pretend to detain evidences of something they barely understand, and who constantly insult the Bogdanovs and anyone who do not have the same opi8nion as they have, who insult the Bogdanovs famili, teachers, physical appearence, life, friends, constantly and in many forum of the internet. This person is YBM and his associate are: Romnulphe, Voyer, rayon-z, and Max, and their name are to be followed every time YBM appear on a site about the subject. There is plenty of links about it. The Bogdanov have already discussed and rediscussed each and every point of the list of so called errors presented by those pseudo scientist, and have proven them wrong and other scientist have intervene too to explain how it had to be understood in theoretical physic, but yBm keep using them as if Igor had never argumented against it, and even do it in a way as if it was because he couldn't argue against it, even a fiew blog after he had got an all explaination about it. It just doesn't make sens. He always provocate people by personnal attacks and then reproach them to don't stick to the subject. Thats a clear line in all his appearences on the net. A specialist in theoritical science has once demonstrate to him how it hang together and explained each of the points he had listed, but even with that who was a perfect demonstration, he answered: I don't give a shit about it, and even if you prove me wrong on all points, I will continue anyway! he says that on fr. physic, and i put the link to it here and on the french wiki about the bogdanovs. Of course, if someone has decided that no matter what they will continue to attack you, even prooven wrong, there is not much one can do. His motives are unlegetimate, and thats what has to be understood. There is no real Bogdanov affair, it started with a paper in an scientific magazin, and the person who wrote that paper retracted it 4 days later as being wrong! John Baez did work further on it but was proven wrong by his collegues, and do not agree with YBMs' way of thought. Any references to John Baez is outdated from 2 to 3 years. All recent web site with speech from him are made by YBM on his own and without the consentment of John Baez. Writing to people employers is a method YBM used against the Bogdanov in that case but also against Sophie B. and Xavier in the other affair he conducted against 2 other writers, the women had written a cooking book!!! and lost her job because of him the other was a teacher and also lost his job because of the nature of the letters that YBM sendt to his employer. I think that enough is enough and that this guy has to be stopped. He cannot continue to create misery to all kind of people just for the fun of it. It is to be noticed that Xavier went to school with this YBM, and that YBM used the internet as a revenge agianst the succes of his class maid. Quiet pathetic, don't you think? This story is an act of madness and of jalousy.
sophie--213.237.21.6 03:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Crossposted to Talk:Bogdanov Affair: block
I'm sorry, but the purpose of the page is to let people discuss the article, and this editing style of yours is driving off everybody who was actually doing that. I'm blocking you for one week, purely so as to allow the page to be used. Do please note that you can still edit your own talk page, and you can still e-mail other users. If you're willing to edit more to the purpose, please e-mail me, and I'll consider shortening the block. Bishonen | talk 01:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)