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USS Texas (BB-35) copyedit

I gave a pretty thorough copyediting pass to USS Texas (BB-35). I have some thoughts, observations, and questions.

• Note #13 "BATTLESHIP TEXAS (BB-35)" is a dead link. From the web address, I would surmise that it might not have been considered an RS for eventual FA consideration, but it is the cite for several items in the D-Day sections. #26 "The Sand Pebbles" link might be rejected as a non-RS, also.
• In note #12, the phrase "German Luftwaffe" is redundant (arguably, at least).
• In the last paragraph of the "World War I" section, is the 40-mile figure nautical miles, as one would expect? The hard-coded conversion previously in the text treated it as statute miles, so I left it as that.
• In the "Rehearsal" section and the "D-Day" sections there are two somewhat overlapping lists of ships. I wasn't clear if they were two distinct units with overlapping and/or changing membership (heat-of-battle type shifts) or descriptions of the same unit from, perhaps, two different sources.
• Also, in the 2nd paragraph of the "D-Day" section, it seems like a similar situation about targets on Omaha beach. Like maybe the same actions are described, again, perhaps, from two different sources.
• doncram (talk · contribs), at my invitation, added the National Historic Landmark (NHL) information to the article. The NHL infobox he added is somewhat compatible with the ship infobox, so depending on how you want to go with it, it could be incorporated into the ship box, as well.
• For A-class and FAC, the lead section for the article should probably be expanded to four paragraphs. I might structure it as follows: the first paragraph could be fleshed out with some info on builder (who, where, when); a second paragraph to summarize up through WWI; a third for Interwar and WWII; and then keep the current final paragraph as the fourth and final paragraph of a new lead.
• I linked to a couple of men mentioned in the article, each of whom later had a USN ship named for them (Grant and McDonnell), even though both are redlinked now.
• I'm not sure of the significance of the "by hull number" in the last sentence. Is Texas merely the lowest numbered battleship that was made a museum ship, or was she the first (and coincidentally the lowest numbered) made a museum ship. If the former, I honestly don't think thats all that significant; if it's the latter—as seems to be currently indicated in the lead—it need to be reworded for clarity.
• Unless you have deep-seated reasons for retaining the current reference setup at the end of the article, it would certainly make for a cleaner notes section if the full details of books were listed in a "Reference" section with a citation of something along the lines of "Smith, p. 25." in a "Notes" section. (See USS Siboney (ID-2999), for example, of one way of doing that.)

Any questions – or complaints ;) – just let me know... — Bellhalla (talk) 02:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I'll leave it to you to strike – or not ;) – from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Logistics — Bellhalla (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sure that I can help you with some of these issues. I'll be back on in a few hours, right now I need a nap (18-hour days are exhausting :) TomStar81 (Talk) 20:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I located the missing cite #13, it can still be accessed through the internet archive. Here is the working link, you can check the info out if you want or simply readd it to the article. The rest I will look more conclusively into tomorrow, time permitting. TomStar81 (Talk) 07:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I added the archive link to the ref, and after poking around the archived site, it would qualify as an RS (for me, at least). — Bellhalla (talk) 10:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll be done with school by then, and hopefully will be back in full force (assuming I don't die first). TomStar81 (Talk) 08:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Having officially nominated the Montana class for GA status I have finished my current project, so I am starting on this checklist next. I added a copy to my sandbox a couple of days ago, and will be crossing off items there as they are dealt with. Thought you might like to know :) TomStar81 (Talk) 22:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, A-class will follow for the Montana's just as soon as GA-class is cleared. Also, above copy of the list in my sandbox has more items crossed off at the moment; you may want to check to see if you concur with the items I've crossed off and update the list accordingly. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

She will. We can use the Montana FAC as a starting point to anticipate what sort of problems we are going to get and address them before they evolve into problems at FAC. Have faith in the battleship and the work we have both done, each of us has a reputation for getting the job done, and we can play to that strength at FAC when this article goes up. Trust me :) TomStar81 (Talk) 03:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

When you get a moment, could you take a look at this link and tell me what you opinions on the matter are? I, like you, would like to see this go FA before the end of the year, so I have been working on the points for a few days now, but could use a second opinion on what still needs done. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I think at this point we may be at a point where we could feesably nominate Texas for A-class and see if the community thinks the ship is there yet. This would also be a good way to get info on any last second changes that need to be implemented proir to an FAC. If she clears ACR with no compliants than all that will remain is bellahalla's suggestions for improvement, and we pretty much have those checked off. What do you think? TomStar81 (Talk) 19:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I am starting to think that the D-Day section may benifit from the inclusion of a map to better ID points like "Point-D" and areas like "Point du Hoc". What do think? TomStar81 (Talk) 09:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I found two that could serve the article well: this one and this one. We also have Image:Omaha 1944 Initial assault.jpg on site, although I have to say I like the other two better. What do you think? TomStar81 (Talk) 22:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your message

Hmph. Perhaps destoyers just don;t have any wow power to motivate people like the battleships do. At any rate, that is interesting, the contributer who worked to bring HMS Ledbury (L90) up to A-class should get a barnstar or something for being the first to get there. TomStar81 (Talk) 07:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, the battleships always have commanded great attention, so I guess its only appropriate that they get first dibs for attention. And we are working on the Carrier: HMS Ark Royal (91) is closing in on featured, albeit slowly (she just recently failed an A-class review). (Incidentally, thats going to look real bad for the States if the British get a carrier to FA status first, but I'm not complaining :) TomStar81 (Talk) 08:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Axe that: HMAS Melbourne (R21) is an FA-class aircraft carrier. I guess we do have one after all. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you want to up the ante, you could work on a carrier of ours that is presently a museum ship; in this way, we could technically have a stake in the "firsts" since no featured carrier article here is a museum ship yet. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Man your lucky. The only museum ship I have ever been on is Niagara, and thats sort of a technicality since Niagara was rebuilt after raising. Lex should be next then, before we fall to far behind our carrier operating breathern. On a separate note, I think the states have claim to the first featured warship because I do believe that Missouri was the first warship to be featured (certainly the 1st battleship), so we get bragging rights there anyway :) TomStar81 (Talk) 08:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Someday, I suppose, I'll get to tour these great ships. In the meantime we got plenty to keep us busy here. I went ahead and dished out a WP:SHIPS barnstar to the A-class nominator for Ledbury, correcting that oversight. I am trying to rebuild Iowa, but have put it off until after the Monatanas clear FAC. And I have located some new info I intend to add to the Iowa class article sooner or later. (more the former than the latter since I go back for summer school June 9). TomStar81 (Talk) 08:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with the Wisdom Teeth; I had mine pulled about five years ago, and it was...an uncomfortable experience, mostly for the first 48 hours, owing to the swelling of the cheeks. With regard to T&A 08, try and put in a little effort for the "phase two" reload, Roger is going to try and get the drive relaunched in mid june, and I promised I help by starting then to try and regenerate some interest for the those editers who are throwing in the towel. As for the inquisition: I am ready to go (aside from my nervousness, but people can't see nervousness when edit from behind a username); I'm just waiting for Roger to get the nom up and running, then answer the question and see what happens. With any luck, the third time really will be the charm :) TomStar81 (Talk)

Also, a cursory glance at the editting history for Reuv (talk · contribs) suggests s/he may be on extended break; there are long periods of inactivity in the contributions tab. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Palmer Station Citations

You called for more inline citations on the Palmer Station article. I am happy to do what I can, but I would appreciate it if you could be more specific. The guidelines requiring cites say "They are appropriate for supporting statements of fact and are needed for statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, including contentious material about living persons, and for all quotations."

I see few statements that are contentious or likely to be challenged, so the "need" part is unclear. As for statements of fact, much of the article has been written by individuals who have spent a lot of time at Palmer Station and some the facts are based on personal knowledge or experience. While in a scientific paper you might see a reference to a "personal communication", in this case some of the facts I see are really information being transmitted by a primary source.

Your advice on how to handle this, please, and examples of things you recommend citations for would also be appreciated.

dufour27216.164.51.18 (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Triple Crown

Already there :) Just waiting on an answer to the questions before moving forward. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, in answer to your A-class question: I wouldn't link just the hull numbers; from where I sit there wouldn't be enough context for the link and the material would be better covered in the Iowa class battleship article; however, if you wish to link the hull numbers you are more than welcome to. Who knows, it may be a hit with the project people. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright then. Hopefully, this FAC won't be as controversial as the Illinois FAC (I'm still have nightmares over that nom...)

Re:Avro Vulcan XH558

Thanks for undoing the last edit on XH558. The edit made by the last person, was just trying to spoil the page. Thanks again Ollie Harvey (Schlongboymega) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schlongboymega (talk • contribs) 01:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

About Me

Hi,

Thanks for the note. Please be assured that I'm the only user using this account in keeping with Misplaced Pages policy. I am the lead guy for educating people about the Navy's new maritime strategy that calls for greater cooperation among the Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard, as well as, enhanced global partnerships to prevent war. This is the first time in history that all three sea services have signed a common strategy and I'm updating relevant pages to reflect that for historical purposes.

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Regarding your revert to USS George Washington (CVN-73)

One of your recent reverts was not justified and was reverted back. Your revert reverted useful content to the article: USS George Washington (CVN-73). Just be cautious that not all edits that are bad in grammar constitute as vandalism. WinterSpw (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced edits should always be checked up. Thanks again. WinterSpw (talk) 00:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Block needed

Please block User:OOC OCD for continued vandalism of Living Lohan. He or she keeps adding info copied from the show's web site and images that haven't been uploaded correctly and keeps changing links to other Wiki articles. Thank you. 67.78.143.227 (talk) 13:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The Inquisition

I brought up the rfa point on Roger Davies' talk page, and wanted to let you know so you could comment there on the matter of another rfa for me. TomStar81 (Talk) 06:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha. Take care, and get well soon. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thanks for dealing with Vandalism on my User page :-} --ARBAY (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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Pathfinder

I actually am working at the USSRC at the moment and have seen the damage first hand. If you would just wait a minute I was working on uploading a photo of the damage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.111.165.1 (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

steven decatur

i put a direct link from the page to the jersey devil page that tales of the same report!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.93.35.75 (talk) 05:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Unprotect request for Andrea James

Please see my comments on the talk page, now that the warring editor is indefinitely blocked for BLP vandalism and sockpuppetry. Dicklyon (talk) 06:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

USS Camden

Hi MBK,

I see that you reverted my edits on the two USS Camden articles. Would you mind directing me to the guideline you mentioned that introduces an exception to the guideline I cited? I tried WP:SHIPS, but I couldn't find anything applicable, and as it was a WikiProject, it wouldn't have been binding if solely located there anyway. I tend to have to cite this particular guideline quite frequently, therefore it would be very helpful for me to know of any exceptions.

Neelix (talk) 13:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good articles newsletter

The Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Good articles Newsletter

The WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter Volume I, No. 8 - June 2008 May issue | July issue Project News There are currently 4,266 Good Articles listed at WP:GA. The backlog at Good Article Nominations is 157 unreviewed articles. Out of 215 total nominations, 44 are on hold, 13 are under review, and one is seeking a second opinion. Please go to WP:GAN and review an article or three as soon as you have a chance! The oldest unreviewed articles are: Choctaw, One Night Stand (2007), Justin Tuck, Tristan Tzara, The Stake Out (Seinfeld episode), Impalement arts, Backlash (2007), Adelaide Rams, and Sam Cowan. The categories with the largest backlogs are: Theatre, film and drama (31), Sports and recreation (31), Transport (24), Music (13), and Art and architecture (11) The backlog at Good Article Reassessment currently stands at 4 articles up for re-review. GA Sweeps Update The GA Sweeps process is progressing nicely! During the month of May, a total of 82 articles were reviewed. 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HMS Formidable

I don't mean to sound argumentative, but asking the question, did Britain not have the capability to repair aircraft carriers during the second world war is connected to the article. If it were true, could it not be added to the article? Joe Deagan (talk) 23:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Joe Deagan (talk) 23:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

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SS Normandie and USS Lafayette (AP-53) merge(?)

I saw on the talk page of SS Normandie that you were going to do a proper merge of USS Lafayette (AP-53) into the Normandie article. Since it looks like it didn't get done, consider this a friendly reminder about that. Hope you enjoyed your vacation :) — Bellhalla (talk) 21:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

CIA

This is no joke. Anderson Cooper did work for the CIA. HRCC (talk) 22:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Google "Anderson Cooper CIA" and you have pages and pages of links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HRCC (talk • contribs) 22:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Source added to article. This was no joke as you can see but hard fact. HRCC (talk) 22:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

User 209.195.162.149

Hi, Can you block the above indefinitely for repeated vandalism to the "German warship Scharnhorst" pag? Thanks, bigpad (talk) 12:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The Inquisition

After checking my schedual I left a note on Rogers talk page outlineng a two-week window when I can balance school and an rfa. Since you offered to co-nom I though t I would let you know so you could keep an extra close eye out for blue trim around the third nom. With a little luck I may actually pass this one (: TomStar81 (Talk) 06:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

USS John F. kennedy

Yes I would like to know why you removed my edits for the USS John F. Kennedy 1983/84 for lack of reference when it was linked to 2 other Misplaced Pages pages and very easily verifiable with a simple web search. atelesco —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atelesco (talk • contribs) 11:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Mannino

I touched the page Mannino again and I am now waiting for the wrath that thou hast unleashed. ~ WikiDon (talk)

Now he has blanked an article talk page: Talk:Mannino. Can I do that? ~ WikiDon (talk) 06:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008

I've got a couple of books that make mention of the unique construction of the Albany and Topeka, but I'm not home right now. I'll look them up later today. I was a bit surprised that no one had caught and added this information by now. - Ken keisel (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Admin nom

Well, that explains why preferences is so far off from wannabe kate, and sorry about forgetting Illinois as being yours to begin with. I'll make a point to wait until you post the co-nom before filling in the blanks. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll handle the rest from here (except, or course, for the voting :) Thanks for the co nom. <deep breath, cracking knuckles>Lets do this thing!</deep breath, cracking knuckles> TomStar81 (Talk) 06:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)