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==Misplaced Pages article==
(as of 7/21/08)

Total length: about 6,100 words, 300 sentences.

===by subject===
*Personal life
**African-American 12.5 (and other race issues)
**Religion and church - 6
**Basketball – 1
**Left-handed – 1
**Quit smoking - 2
**Childhood 3.25
**In NYC 0.5
**In Chicago 0.5
**Trips abroad 1.25
**Trinity Church – 4
**Wealth and home - 3
**School
***High school 0.5
***Columbia 1.75
***Harvard 4.25
***Occidental college 0.5
*Career outside politics
**Taught law at Chicago 2 (12 years)
**Attorney
***General 0.25
***Sidney & Austin 0.75(summer associate)
***Hopkins & Sutter 0.25 (summer associates)
***Davis, Miner 1 (12 yeasr)
**Community organizer
***General 0.25
***Developing Communities Project 1.5 (3 years)
***Gmaliel Foundation – 1
***Project Vote – 1 (1/2 year)
***Public Allies
**Nonprofits
***Woods Fund of Chicago – ½ (9 years)
***Joyce Foundation – ½ (8 years)
***Chicago Annenberg Challenge 1 (7 years)
***Chicago Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights 0.25
***Center for Neighborhood Technology 0.25
***Lugenia Burns Hope Center 0.25
**Writer
***Dreams from my father 4.5
***Audacity of Hope - 8
*Political career
**Illinois senate
**General 1.75
**Legislation 2.5
**Committee work - 1
*House campaign 1.5
*Senate campaign
**General - 12
**DNC keynote 0.5
*Senate career
**General - 6
**Legislation sponsored – 21
**Voting record – 5
**Positions, speeches - 10
**Committees – 4.5
**Trips – 7.5
*Presidential campaign
**General - 8
**Campaign positions - 15
**Announcements and statements - 4
**Fundraising – 4
**Polls – 2
**Primary results and delegate counts - 7

===People===
*family
**Father 3.25
**Mother 4.75
**Stepfather 0.5
**Sister 1.5
**Daughters - 1
**Grandparents 2
**Michelle Obama - 4
**Extended family, generally – 3.5

*David Axelrod – 1.5
*Carol Moseley Braun – 0.5
*Sam Brownback – 0.5
*George W. Bush – 2
*Hillary Clinton - 3
*Tom Coburn – 0.5
*Tom Daschle – 0.25
*Debra Dickerson – 1
*David Ehrenstein - 1
*Russ Feingold – 0.5
*Peter Fitzgerald – 0.5
*Gary Hart
*Chuck Hegel - 1
*Alan Keyes – 2
*Karen Kornbluth – 0.25
*John McCain – 0.5
*Anthony Lake – 0.5
*Ryan Lizza
*Richard Lugar – 0.5
*Peggy Noonan - 1
*Bobby Rush – 1
*Alice Palmer – 0.5
*Michael Pfleger - 1
*Samantha Power – 0.5
*Tony Rezko - 1
*Pete Rouse – 0.5
*Robert Rubin – 0.25
*Susan Rice – 0.25
*Jack Ryan – 2
*Paul Simon (Senator) – 0.25
*Michael Tomasky - 1
*Kay Warren – 0.25
*Rick Warren – 0.75
*Harold Washington – 0.25
*Jeremiah Wright – 3.5


==New Yorker article== ==New Yorker article==

Revision as of 23:59, 20 July 2008

This talk page is intended for evidence and discussion of WP:WEIGHT concerns relating to including various subjects and people in the Barack Obama article.

Misplaced Pages article

(as of 7/21/08)

Total length: about 6,100 words, 300 sentences.

by subject

  • Personal life
    • African-American 12.5 (and other race issues)
    • Religion and church - 6
    • Basketball – 1
    • Left-handed – 1
    • Quit smoking - 2
    • Childhood 3.25
    • In NYC 0.5
    • In Chicago 0.5
    • Trips abroad 1.25
    • Trinity Church – 4
    • Wealth and home - 3
    • School
      • High school 0.5
      • Columbia 1.75
      • Harvard 4.25
      • Occidental college 0.5
  • Career outside politics
    • Taught law at Chicago 2 (12 years)
    • Attorney
      • General 0.25
      • Sidney & Austin 0.75(summer associate)
      • Hopkins & Sutter 0.25 (summer associates)
      • Davis, Miner 1 (12 yeasr)
    • Community organizer
      • General 0.25
      • Developing Communities Project 1.5 (3 years)
      • Gmaliel Foundation – 1
      • Project Vote – 1 (1/2 year)
      • Public Allies
    • Nonprofits
      • Woods Fund of Chicago – ½ (9 years)
      • Joyce Foundation – ½ (8 years)
      • Chicago Annenberg Challenge 1 (7 years)
      • Chicago Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights 0.25
      • Center for Neighborhood Technology 0.25
      • Lugenia Burns Hope Center 0.25
    • Writer
      • Dreams from my father 4.5
      • Audacity of Hope - 8
  • Political career
    • Illinois senate
    • General 1.75
    • Legislation 2.5
    • Committee work - 1
  • House campaign 1.5
  • Senate campaign
    • General - 12
    • DNC keynote 0.5
  • Senate career
    • General - 6
    • Legislation sponsored – 21
    • Voting record – 5
    • Positions, speeches - 10
    • Committees – 4.5
    • Trips – 7.5
  • Presidential campaign
    • General - 8
    • Campaign positions - 15
    • Announcements and statements - 4
    • Fundraising – 4
    • Polls – 2
    • Primary results and delegate counts - 7

People

  • family
    • Father 3.25
    • Mother 4.75
    • Stepfather 0.5
    • Sister 1.5
    • Daughters - 1
    • Grandparents 2
    • Michelle Obama - 4
    • Extended family, generally – 3.5
  • David Axelrod – 1.5
  • Carol Moseley Braun – 0.5
  • Sam Brownback – 0.5
  • George W. Bush – 2
  • Hillary Clinton - 3
  • Tom Coburn – 0.5
  • Tom Daschle – 0.25
  • Debra Dickerson – 1
  • David Ehrenstein - 1
  • Russ Feingold – 0.5
  • Peter Fitzgerald – 0.5
  • Gary Hart
  • Chuck Hegel - 1
  • Alan Keyes – 2
  • Karen Kornbluth – 0.25
  • John McCain – 0.5
  • Anthony Lake – 0.5
  • Ryan Lizza
  • Richard Lugar – 0.5
  • Peggy Noonan - 1
  • Bobby Rush – 1
  • Alice Palmer – 0.5
  • Michael Pfleger - 1
  • Samantha Power – 0.5
  • Tony Rezko - 1
  • Pete Rouse – 0.5
  • Robert Rubin – 0.25
  • Susan Rice – 0.25
  • Jack Ryan – 2
  • Paul Simon (Senator) – 0.25
  • Michael Tomasky - 1
  • Kay Warren – 0.25
  • Rick Warren – 0.75
  • Harold Washington – 0.25
  • Jeremiah Wright – 3.5

New Yorker article

Count of sentences devoted to various individuals (from Ryan Lizza (2008-07-21). "Making It:How Chicago shaped Obama". New Yorker.)

Total length is about 14,700 words, 800 sentences. Note that this article is narrower in scope than the Obama article in that it is specifically about Obama's rise beginning around or after law school to announcing his presidential candidacy, as it relates to Chicago politics. It does not significantly cover his legislative work, private life, accomplishments outside of politics, or national politics. Though apparently neutral it nevertheless is in essay form, with more detailed (and opinionated) background descriptions than would be allowed on Misplaced Pages.

  1. Toni Preckwinkle – 33.75
  2. Will Burns 27.75
  3. Emil Jones 27.5
  4. Alice Palmer (Illinois politician) – 18.5
  5. Bobby Rush 16.5
  6. David Axelrod (political consultant) 14.75
  7. Abner Mikva 14.25
  8. Tony Rezko 11.5
  9. Ricky Hendon 11
  10. Bettylu Saltzman 10
  11. Bill Clinton 10
  12. Richard M. Daley 9.5
  13. John Corrigan 9
  14. Rod Blagojevich 8.5
  15. Marty Nesbitt 7.75
  16. Judson Miner 7.25
  17. Harold Washington 6.75
  18. Al Kindle 5.75
  19. Christie Hefner 5.5
  20. Don Rose 5
  21. Penny Prtitzger 5
  22. Ivory Mitchell 4.75
  23. Jane Byrne 4.75
  24. Marilyn Katz 4.5
  25. Lois Friedberg-Dobry 4.25
  26. Michelle Robinson 3.75
  27. Jeremiah Wright 3.5
  28. Alan Dobry 3.5
  29. Richard J. Daley 3.5
  30. E.J. Dionne, Jr. 3
  31. Obama grandparents 3
  32. Courtney Nottage 2.75
  33. Carol Anne Harwell 2.5
  34. Anita Ackerman 2.5
  35. Carol Moseley Braun 2
  36. Bill Ayers 2.0
  37. Dan Shomon 2
  38. Alvin Love 2
  39. Rohm Emanuel 1.75
  40. Craig Robinson 1.75
  41. Adlai Stevenson 1.75
  42. Bob Dole 1.5
  43. Buzz Palmer 1.5
  44. Michael Bilandic 1.5
  45. Robert Starks 1.5
  46. Jesse Jackson 1.5
  47. Sam Ackerman 1.5
  48. Valerie Jarrett 1.25
  49. Paul Simon (senator) 1.25
  50. Hillary Clinton 1.25
  51. Saul Bellow 1
  52. Saul Alinsky 1
  53. David Wilhelm 1
  54. John McCain 1
  55. George W. Bush 1
  56. David Mendell 1
  57. William Daley 1
  58. John Mearsheimer 1
  59. Mel Reynolds – 1
  60. Obama parents]] 1
  61. Martin Luther King 1
  62. Bernadette Dohrn 1
  63. Jim Edgar 1
  64. Peter Fitzgerald 1
  65. James Andrews 0.75
  66. Philip M. Klutznick 0.75
  67. Tiger Woods 0.5
  68. Paul Douglas 0.5
  69. Huey Rich 0.5
  70. Obama daughters 0.5
  71. Norman Lear 0.5
  72. Dan Hynes 0.5
  73. Santita Jackson 0.25
  74. Lyndon Johnson 0.25
  75. Trent Lott 0.25
  76. Michael Madigan 0.25
  77. Mark Penn 0.25
  78. Dick Morris 0.25
  79. Daniel Patrick Moynihan 0.25
  80. Anita Blanchard 0.25
  81. Jesse Helms 0.25