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| ***You would be hard-pressed to find '''principle''' in many places here. Good luck in your search! ] (]) 12:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC) | ***You would be hard-pressed to find '''principle''' in many places here. Good luck in your search! ] (]) 12:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' as {{tl|Non-free historic image}}. The subject of life inside Japanese-American internment camps during WWII is one of intense historic interest in the U.S. in recent years. This image provides a unique insight for the encyclopedia reader interested in the topic to scrutinize the group's facial expressions and mood, uniforming, and display of patriotism during a period of overt discrimination far more effectively than mere prose alone could convey. <i><b>]<font color = "darkblue"> <sup>]</sup></font></b> - </i> 19:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' as {{tl|Non-free historic image}}. The subject of life inside Japanese-American internment camps during WWII is one of intense historic interest in the U.S. in recent years. This image provides a unique insight for the encyclopedia reader interested in the topic to scrutinize the group's facial expressions and mood, uniforming, and display of patriotism during a period of overt discrimination far more effectively than mere prose alone could convey. <i><b>]<font color = "darkblue"> <sup>]</sup></font></b> - </i> 19:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
| **As long as those visual details are not analysed in the article, there's nothing demonstrating that they are significant. Groups of pre-teenage boys usually make funny faces when photographed. So, that's an historically significant detail here? You'll need a better explanation. All the rest (uniforms, "display of patriotism" - I suppose you mean the flag in the background - et cetera) can all obviously be covered by text. "Mere prose can't convey it" is, in 95% of all cases, just a cheap excuse for lazy writing. ] ] 20:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Image:SED.jpg
- Orphaned image with higher quality raster version (Image:SED-Logo.png) and vector version (Image:SED Logo.svg) available on Commons. - AWeenieMan (talk) 03:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:RVlake-small.JPG
- Image:RVlake-small.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Seth Ilys (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned image. Very low resolution crop of Image:RiftValleyLakes.JPG. - AWeenieMan (talk) 03:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:NormaTalmadge publicity picture.jpg
- Image:NormaTalmadge publicity picture.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ] (] notify] | contribs).
- No evidence of publication date, too hard to judge from her appearance whether this is pre-1923. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- True, but could it meet fair use criteria? --Ipoellet (talk) 14:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- It appears from this that the image is from a postcard. That Flickr image is "all rights reserved", but that doesn't matter, if the underlying image is PD. I'd say then that we hold off on deleting until we can determine the date on the image. S. Dean Jameson 18:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- From this, it appears that the photographer G.L. Manuel (listed in the lower left corner of the Flickr image linked above) was active from ~1920-1935. So there's perhaps more of a chance that this isn't PD than that it is. S. Dean Jameson 18:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'm still looking into this. Further investigation reveals that the photographer was chiefly active from 1911-1931(5?), per this from the Harvard University library. S. Dean Jameson 18:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've looked into this all I can, and I have to conclude this is slightly more likely to be in the public domain than not to be, based upon the photographs from this Stanford University page, and the auxillary pages that go with it. If I had to guess, I'd say it's from the late-10s ore early 20s), as this was the height of her fame as a silent talk star, and when she would have been most likely to be featured on postcards such as the one from which this image originated. Thus, I say we
tentativelykeep this image, unless it's definitively found that it was taken after 1923. S. Dean Jameson 18:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)- I also base this opinion on the fact that the postcards released while she was with UA have a small "United Artists" imprint in the lower right corner. This one does not. She went to UA sometime after 1924, so that also lends further credence to my deduction that it was probably late teens early 20s. S. Dean Jameson 18:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Keep It is highly likely this publicity shot of Norma Talmadge was taken (and published) when she was in her twenties, i.e., before 1923. Manuel would have taken this prior to her move to Hollywood in 1922.JGHowes - 19:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- The point about the move to Hollywood is a good one, and something that hadn't occurred to me. It definitely adds more weight to my research. S. Dean Jameson 19:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Image:Hannah.JPG
- Image:Hannah.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Azrael disorder (notify | contribs).
- Unused, unencyclopedic. —Bkell (talk) 16:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Er, well, maybe not—this is a photo of Hannah Tan (see the uploader's contributions and this version of the article). The image should probably be kept if it is found to be useful and properly categorized. —Bkell (talk) 16:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Do you think that perhaps this should be speedy kept/withdrawn? I've reworked the article, and added this image to it. S. Dean Jameson 13:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying this, but do we have enough information about the copyright status? Is it plausible to assume that the uploader is the copyright holder? If, as you say in the article, the photo was taken "during an interview", the copyright holder would most likely be the media publisher for which the interview was made, wouldn't it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- I deduced that from the tape recorder sitting there, which probably violates WP:OR. As for the provenance of the photograph, I think that based upon the quality of it, it looks like it is likely a good-faith upload. It seems to be the type of picture one might snap at a cattle call interview session when you realize, "What the hell?!? That's HANNAH TAN!" What's your take on it? S. Dean Jameson 17:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying this, but do we have enough information about the copyright status? Is it plausible to assume that the uploader is the copyright holder? If, as you say in the article, the photo was taken "during an interview", the copyright holder would most likely be the media publisher for which the interview was made, wouldn't it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Image:Hayleys house! 013.jpg
- Image:Hayleys house! 013.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rahh cookie monster (notify | contribs).
- Unused, unencyclopedic. —Bkell (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SFU-ID-picture-01.jpg
- Image:SFU-ID-picture-01.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hose11 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 17:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SGGW_Wikipedia.jpg
- Old uploaded scan of a document; Orphaned; It maybe Unencyclopedic. OsamaK 17:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SH2.jpg
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 17:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SHAHIN_2007.jpg
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 18:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SGPandalai.jpg
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 18:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SHAKEEB_SHUWEB.JPG
- Image:SHAKEEB_SHUWEB.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Shakeeb_shuweb (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 18:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SGD.jpg
- Orphaned; Looks like a personal image. OsamaK 18:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SGA_2007-2008_Board_Members.jpg
- Image:SGA_2007-2008_Board_Members.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by NSDahl92 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 18:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SItting,_sepia.JPG
- Image:SItting,_sepia.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Harryhall (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 18:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SJAY.jpg
- Image:SJAY.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rajiv.journalist (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned personal image. OsamaK 18:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:Ruprecht.jpg
- Orphaned, low resolution crop of Image:Rupprecht von Bayern.jpg. - AWeenieMan (talk) 18:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:Minsk-Crest.png
- Orphaned image with higher quality raster version (Image:Coat of Arms of Minsk, Belarus.png) and higher quality vector version (Image:BIA Mińsk COA.svg) available on Commons. - AWeenieMan (talk) 18:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SGA-Governor_painted.JPG
- Image:SGA-Governor_painted.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sirkevinalot (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned; Low quality; Unencyclopedic personal image. OsamaK 18:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:SGI_emblem.jpg
- Image:SGI_emblem.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Andrew_Kidman (notify | contribs).
- Looks like a logo; Orphaned; old uploaded. OsamaK 18:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:Poland-dioceses.jpg
- Image:Poland-dioceses.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kpalion (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned image with much higher quality vector version (Image:CatholicDiocesesPoland2004Numbered.svg) on Commons. If a raster version is needed in the future, it should be created from the SVG version on Commons, as this version as severe artifacts. - AWeenieMan (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:Maung_Aye_001.gif
- Image:Maung_Aye_001.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kwantonge (notify | contribs).
- No descriptio nand useless in current state. Possibly a copyright violation. Uploader has extensive copyright violations. Rettetast (talk) 20:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:GranadaBoyScoutBand.jpg
- Image:GranadaBoyScoutBand.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rlevse (notify | contribs).
- A generic group photograph of a children's band does not count as a "unique historic image" (that tag is only for images like Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima). The specific event in question here (a children's group posing for a photoshot) is trivial and obviously not a subject of encyclopedic discussion; the photograph as such isn't either (of course); nothing in the article requires this image to be understood. Fails NFCC#8. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- 'Keep This is a unique and rare photo of Japanese-American Scouts in the internment camps during WWII--such as Manzanar and Granada War Relocation Center. It depicts their life inside the camps and loyalty to America. It is in an article on the camp this photo was taken in. It does not fail NFCC#8 as it is a unique, rare, and significant representation of the personal and cultural life of the detainees. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Also, as this was taken in WWII and in the USA images from 1923 through 1977, published without a copyright notice are in the public domain, it may be PD. I've contacted the state of Colorado about this. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. NFCC#8 is very nebulous, and a terrible reason for trying to delete such an interesting and historic image. I'm not sure how to interpret "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding", but I know we shouldn't be trying to delete images based solely on one editor's interpretation of that rationale. S. Dean Jameson 22:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- With only the information currently available, this image fails our requirement that the copyright holder be attributed - we have no idea where this image came from. I suggest deferring a decision until Rlevse hears back from Colorado on an actual source for the image. --B (talk) 02:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- According to , "these photographs were kindly donated to the Colorado State Archives by the Denver Central Optimists Club". That means they were probably in the private possession of that club and not published at the time of their creation. PD would be unlikely in that case. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- keep per above reasons, and to stick it to the deletionists on general principle. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- "and to stick it to the deletionists on general principle" is not something I can find in our non-free content policy. --B (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- You would be hard-pressed to find principle in many places here. Good luck in your search! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- "and to stick it to the deletionists on general principle" is not something I can find in our non-free content policy. --B (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Keep as {{Non-free historic image}}. The subject of life inside Japanese-American internment camps during WWII is one of intense historic interest in the U.S. in recent years. This image provides a unique insight for the encyclopedia reader interested in the topic to scrutinize the group's facial expressions and mood, uniforming, and display of patriotism during a period of overt discrimination far more effectively than mere prose alone could convey. JGHowes - 19:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- As long as those visual details are not analysed in the article, there's nothing demonstrating that they are significant. Groups of pre-teenage boys usually make funny faces when photographed. So, that's an historically significant detail here? You'll need a better explanation. All the rest (uniforms, "display of patriotism" - I suppose you mean the flag in the background - et cetera) can all obviously be covered by text. "Mere prose can't convey it" is, in 95% of all cases, just a cheap excuse for lazy writing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Image:CrystalCityGirlScoutsDrama.png
- Image:CrystalCityGirlScoutsDrama.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by 718 Bot (notify | contribs).
- Image of a children's theatre performance in 1943, claimed as "unique historic photograph". The event depicted is non-notable and not the object of encyclopedic discussion in the article; neither is the photograph as such. The article for which it is claimed (Girl Scouts of the USA) doesn't mention either the event nor the photograph; nothing in the article requires the image to be understood. Purely decorative, fails NFCC#8. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- 'Keep This is a unique and rare photo of Japanese-American Scouts in the internment camps during WWII--such as Manzanar and Granada War Relocation Center. It depicts their life inside the camps and loyalty to America. It is in an article about Girl Scouts, which these young girls are. It does not fail NFCC#8 as it is a unique, rare, and significant representation of the personal and cultural life of the detainees. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Also, as this was taken in WWII and in the USA images from 1923 through 1977, published without a copyright notice are in the public domain, it may be PD. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- According to the archival record, the image is "loaned" to the archive by the private individual who took it in 1943. That means it was most likely not published at the time of its creation, so PD probably doesn't apply. The image belongs to that lady; it becomes fair use if and when the creative work of that lady, as such, is the subject of encyclopedic analysis in our article. Which, of course, it is not. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Also, as this was taken in WWII and in the USA images from 1923 through 1977, published without a copyright notice are in the public domain, it may be PD. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep, per my rationale above, and Rlevse's points about the photograph's significance. S. Dean Jameson 22:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Delete This might be encyclopedic for an article like Girl Scouting in the United States during World War II, but there are any number of free images that could illustrate the actual article in which it appears. Also, we don't need to see a photo of these girls to know that they existed. What do people gain from seeing this picture specifically? They look just how I imagined they might. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- keep per above reasons, and to stick it to the deletionists on general principle. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per Rlevse as unique, non-reproducible historic image depicting life inside Japanese-American internment camps during WWII, thereby having encyclopedic value in and of itself. JGHowes - 20:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Image:RodColeman.jpg
- photoshopped orphan photo. Originally was on the Rod Coleman article. This isnt Rod Coleman. It is someones head on mini-me's body. PGPirate 21:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:London Bridge Jubilee Platforms.JPG
- Image:London Bridge Jubilee Platforms.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Zverzia (notify | contribs).
- exact duplicate available on commons Stephantom (talk) 22:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P-Transmorfose-acent.jpg
- Image:P-Transmorfose-acent.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Vladyk (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P_prop.jpg
- Image:P_prop.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sananda_chatterjee (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, unneeded Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P_man.jpg
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1010253.JPG
- Image:P1010253.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mohit.virendra@gmail.com (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1010029.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1010001bmCowen.JPG
- Image:P1010001bmCowen.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Othellovector (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1010001bmCowen.JPG
- Image:P1010001bmCowen.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Othellovector (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1000625.JPG
- Image:P1000625.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jasonv91789 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1000281.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1000214.JPG
- Image:P1000214.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Deedeeyoung (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (where is this?) Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1000135.JPG
- Image:P1000135.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jcraven9123 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1010720.JPG
- Image:P1010720.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Chaulagain (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1030483.JPG
- Image:P1030483.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kenklonkol (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1030272.JPG
- Image:P1030272.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hahahassan (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1020543.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1020278.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1020704.JPG
- Image:P1020704.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Captainkoolhead (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1010740.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (we have plenty of photos of machu picchu without a family posing in the foreground) Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1050294.JPG
- Image:P1050294.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ambreen221 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:TPRetreat.jpg
- Image:TPRetreat.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ambreen221 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1040124.JPG
- Image:P1040124.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Svchandorkar (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Image:P1030670.jpg
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
