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Four-star bios pics

First off, thanks for your appreciation! I don't know which pic you are exactly talking about, but if it is Mattis for example, the pic is exactly the same just that ACT changed the Joint Forces Command flag into the NATO flag. Otherwise, it's exactly the same, and I uploaded the one with the JFC-flag because that's Mattis first assignment, and the photo is also more clear and brighter, the other one is only "secondary". With General Craddock, we also have the official photo of him being U.S. European Commander, and not the one being SACEUR. Same for Renuart... (although for Gene, there's only one picture anyway.) Remember Lance Smith: We had the official JFCOM-photo, not the ACT-photo, although with Smith, there would have been a good reason, because on the ACT-photo, he had two more oak leaf clusters which for Mattis, isn't the case... I won't revert it, would be glad though if you did so yourself... Thanks, have a nice day... claudevsq (talk) 08:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps

Thank you for creating the article last month — nice work. I'd been meaning to create it for a long time, but had not gotten around to it. FYI - I renamed the page to the redirect page name you made - specifically, the article title is now Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps, without the "United States" in the name. The reason for the move/rename is that "United States" is not part of the official title (see the U.S. Code) and the common usage is simply ACMC. — ERcheck (talk) 14:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Captain (Select) Harmon Rabb

I respectfully disagree. Harm was refered to as "Captain" by others we have seen that evidently from his colleagues after he has been selected for promotion. But in black and white and officially the person is still being refered to Captain (select) instead of Captain.

You can google Captain (select) and you will see a lot of individuals are being refered to as Captain (select). There is a difference between addressing the said frocked personnel on person and on paper.

Centralman (talk) 15:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Being a member of the JROTC doesn't mean that you are correct in terms of everything going on in the US Navy. (Select) means exactly that: A person being selected for promotion. Go to the navy's website and browse through the admirals' biographies. Some of those are occupying a Rear Admiral (Lower Half) billet but they are still on paper being a Rear Admiral (Lower Half) (Select). I can count that there are at least 7 Rear Admiral Selectees. My point: You don't call a frocked Captain as Captain (Select), that's true, but officially and on paper, he is just that.Centralman (talk) 01:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I have read your response. I guess my question still stands: If a commander is being frocked to a captain,like Harm, would he be a CAPTAIN on ALL official papers or a CAPTAIN (SELECT)? Centralman (talk) 07:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Another point: ADM Mullen has worked in the navy for 40 years, do you think he knows the NJROTC inside out? I don't believe any one individual inside such a big organization can know everything. Centralman (talk) 07:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Command/Fleet/Force Master Chiefs

Sorry for the delay in replying....

Anyway, the way it works, AFAIK, is that once a Master Chief goes through the Senior Enlisted Academy and gets picked up for Command Master Chief, they receive a special NEC (basically the Navy's version of MOS, in a nutshell) and their rating becomes Command Master Chief. I do believe that a prospective FLT/FOR Master Chief must complete one tour of duty billeted as a CMC, as well as additional training at the Senior Enlisted Academy. To be honest, I'm not 100% for sure, as I'm not that high up (yet lol). If I remember, and I have time, and our CMC is around (she splits her time between our Norfolk office and the Dam Neck office), I'll ask her about the CMC program and it's history. If I'm correct, it's just a recent thing that the CMC is a dedicated billet and not just a collateral duty. My first boat, our Senior Chief Boatswain Mate was our "CMC" (at that time the billet was called "Senior Enlisted Advisor").

But I'll make sure that I get you the straight skinny on it.

Supersquid (talk) 02:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Dempsey and Odierno

Thanks for the note. While it might be jumping the gun a little to assume they will actually be confirmed, there is really no reason to expect otherwise and adding these nominees now makes for a more interesting list. They can always be removed later if something odd happens during the confirmation process. - Morinao (talk) 05:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Rabbs Ribbons

I was wondering what program/site/whatever did you ise to make Rabbs ribbon bar? I've seen several but none let you add stars (except a few, but they all have "drawn" ribbons instead of pictures) Dr. Stantz (talk) 04:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Request to move article Portal:Military of the United States/U.S. Military Officer Rank Badges incomplete

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Harry Ulrich

Admiral Ulrich is definitely retired; he took a job at some enterprise management company in February. I get the impression that Navy flag officer websites are maintained by the staffs of the individual flag officers, as opposed to the Bureau of Naval Personnel, so some of them fall out of date pretty quickly.

On the broader point of whether to list four-star officers who have already been relieved but remain on active duty pending retirement (transition/terminal leave), I'm inclined not to because official retirement dates usually are not publicized, unlike dates of relief or retirement ceremonies, so it would be quite difficult to maintain an up-to-date list of not-quite-retired four-stars. We do address this issue with the Hagee example at the bottom of the article. But it might be worth adding some language acknowledging that this is more a list of four-star offices and their current incumbents than a list of all active-duty officers personally holding four-star rank. - Morinao (talk) 15:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's advisable to move the article to List of United States four-star offices because the term "four-star officer" is commonly used by the mainstream press, but the term "four-star office" is basically never used even in the U.S. military. In fact, people would probably think it was a list of high-quality office buildings in the United States, since the term "four-star" is more commonly encountered in the context of restaurant and hotel ratings. - Morinao (talk) 20:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, my general objection is that most people don't realize that four-star rank in the United States is associated with the job, not the person. So they would expect to find a list of four-star officers, but not a list of four-star offices or positions. I won't object if you want to make this kind of change, but I think that Misplaced Pages:Naming_conventions_(common_names) applies here. - Morinao (talk) 21:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

O-11

While O-11 often gets used as a shorthand for the 5-star ranks, the O, W, and E pay grade codes only came into being after the last U.S. 5-star went on the retired list. The highest pay grade in current law is O-10. However, to further complicate matters, 4-star officers in certain positions have a higher rate of base pay the base pay of O-10 (Chairman or Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Chief of Staff of the Army, Chief of Naval Operations, Chief of Staff of the Air Force, Commandant of the Marine Corps, Commandant of the Coast Guard, or commander of a unified or specified combatant command ). Conversely, general officers are limited to the rate of pay for level III of the Executive Schedule, which is currently lower than the pay for O-10's with 24 or more years of service. Caerwine Caer’s whines 22:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Brigadier General

Yes, i finally did see that. i didn't take that into consideration when i posted my update, but you were correct in reverting the article back to it's original state. Hueydoc (talk) 03:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Canvassing

Please be aware that you shouldn't post people to support you in discussions, as you did here. Either you don't post notices at all (and people should notice the discussions through their watchlists or on the dicsussion pages), or you pst notices to all known interested parties (individually or via a project) in a neutral way. Asking only those that you presume will support you, or asking people explicitly to support you, is not allowed. You can read all about this at WP:CANVASS. Having said all that, I'll take a look at the discussion and add my two cents. Fram (talk) 12:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Renaming List of United States four-star officers

I've been thinking about that for a while too, but I wasn't sure if the title would get too unwieldy. I forget how hyphens work, but you might also consider List of active-duty United States four-star officers, or List of United States four-star officers on active duty. -Morinao (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Brunettes userbox

I just thought I'd let you know that Krimpet (talk · contribs) took it on herself to delete the brunettes userbox you were using. This follows other subjects about women she has chosen to take on herself whether or not they should be on Misplaced Pages the past two weeks, including starting an "edit war" on the DYK section of the main page. Thought you might want to know.--King Bedford I 23:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)