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User:AlexLevyOne

Taken to ANI, per below. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I could use some advice and help regarding User:AlexLevyOne. The account is just a couple of weeks old but already reflects several hundred edits of highly variable quality. While his intentions appear to be good, he frequently displays some pretty bad judgment, and despite the efforts of several concerned editors to engage him on his talk page, has responded simply by blanking their comments. Example here.

It is, for example, not a bad idea to scan articles looking for {fact} tags. But some assertions are more squirrelly than others and it is not always sound editing simply to remove the tagged fact in every instance. Likewise, several short paragraphs can often be collapsed into one, but not at the expense of legibility. This post to the user’s Talk page by User:Deor (blanked shortly thereafter) illustrates several of his problem edits: diff.

To sum up, AlexLevyOne makes some good edits, but many irresponsible ones as well. I think he needs to be reined in a bit – focused a bit better – but given his unwillingness even to acknowledge Talk page requests, I’m not sure how to go about it. As for his edits -- I’ve tried to repair some of them, but he is prolific and I can’t keep up with him. That’s another reason for this request. Comments, advice, extra eyes or hands are all welcome. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 13:51, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I would agree with you as to this user's editing. He declines to have any interaction whatsoever when people raise issues with his edits.

However, I don't know what WQA can achieve. If he won't talk, he won't talk. He doesn't have to talk, but he should recognise that failure to engage will lead to his dubious edits being regarded as disruptive.

If he continues to decline to engage, we can do little but revert and warn. Ultimately, his editing is going to lead to a block. Mayalld (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Is WP:ANI a better place for this? (Part of the problem I'm having is that I can't quite figure out what to use to warn him - it's not vandalism, really, but more often just *really bad judgment*. What's a level 3 warning for that?) JohnInDC (talk) 14:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

The user clearly has a less-than-adequate grasp of the English language and should probably be editing the French WP rather than trying to "improve" this one. I thought of asking the admins at WP:AN what to do about an editor like this (good faith but incompetent, who refuses, apparently, to read the editing guidelines or to discuss his edits), but frankly, I'm not sure that they can do much, either. I agree that the need to clean up many of his edits, coupled with his persistent silence, are quite frustrating and am open to any suggestions. Deor (talk) 14:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Given that many of his edits are messing up the appearance of an article, uw-mos might be appropriate (leading to uw-generic4 in the end), some of his edits delete formatting, so uw-delete, or, bluntly, given his persistence in doing the same thing again after non-templated attempts to engage him over his problematic behaviour, uw-vandalism. Mayalld (talk) 14:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, those MOS templates are good. Thanks. I added one to his Talk page based on one of this morning's edits. JohnInDC (talk) 14:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, he's just charging along and I'm starting to feel stupid about larding up his Talk page with warnings that he's just ignoring. I think I'm going to go to WP:ANI. JohnInDC (talk) 02:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It's here. Please weigh in if you think it would be helpful. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 02:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This item can be safely archived - discussion moved to WP:ANI. JohnInDC (talk) 13:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Krzyzowiec

User with long history of extreme incivility incidents , multiple civility and revert warring warnings and blocks, now openly instigates revert warring, making extremely incivil personal remarks seasoned with anti-Semitic rant about Jews in Czech language "žid nemůže krásti -- on jen bere, co jeho jest. Peníze nežida jsou majetkem bez pána -- Žid má úplné právo si je přivlastnit" ("Jews don't steal, they take what belongs to them. Money of the non-Jew is a property without the owner - a Jew has a right to take it" and so on. I think open instigation of revert wars and openly anti-Semitic rants like this are not acceptable, and something must be done about it. M0RD00R (talk) 07:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

How about MORDOR'S Behaviour ? Look at his edition in all Polish related articles his adds are mainly around "proofs" for "Polish antisemitism, xenophobia, homophobia etc." That's sick, someone has to stop that other way we will have more propaganda from MORDOR than now. He also removed multiply times citations and sentences in the article about NOP. I tryed to discuss things but MORDOR can't talk, he need to do whatever he want. Situation is very hard because it's mainly impossible to build community and non propaganda Misplaced Pages while one user do whatever he want in spreading his point of view and no one react for these pathethic actions.

--Krzyzowiec (talk) 05:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I see little common ground for discussion with you for quite obvious reasons:

• "That's it, you fucking pig. You spread your propaganda too much."
• "Please do something with M0RDOR, he is Polish hating Jew ;(. Ban him, please." Followed by openly anti-Semitic rant in Czech language translated above
• "look at the Mordro's editions - He always delete important things and add non-reliable sources. Maybe ypou should to ban him ?"
• "Stop spreading your Jewish propaganda"
• and last but not least your strange obssesion with my persona. You've been asked kindly to stop using my username in edit summaries and respecting WP:NPA ages ago. But still every now and then I'm being reminded "This is not your playground" , I'm being mentioned in random edit summaries , and slandered with usual "propaganda" nonsense:

• Some users treat Misplaced Pages as their own propaganda spreading tool machine such as MORDOR
• stop spreading your propaganda.
• Stop spreading your Jewish propaganda
• Stop spreading ur propaganda about the Poland, MORDOR
• or the "pig quote" mentioned above .

You've been advised to cut down propaganda accusations by neutral editor just weeks ago , and yet you've done it again here .

That said, even if I see little common ground for reasonable discussion with you, that does not mean that I'm not willing to discuss your edits with uninvolved editors. I always welcome outside opinion in cases like this. As you know your edits were discussed for example here and here. And also as you are aware, your arguments have been dismissed by uninvolved editors as "nonsense" and "borderline for being deleted as unacceptably racist on a noticeboard". Lately yet again consensus has been reached that your edits fail WP:RS and other policies , but still you have reverted consensus version with edit summary "Revert vandalism" .

But the fact that when things does not go your way over the organization (National Rebirth of Poland) that you've openly associate yourself with , you resort to extreme incivility or straight forward disruption this is nothing compared with this recent openly antisemitic edit . Wiki is not the place where antisemitic canards will be tolerated. M0RD00R (talk) 22:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Mayalld

This is a follow up on a case of contested speedy deletion, which I deal with on the appropriate place -- see more here. This is also, I believe, a case of an editor who seems to be misusing his admin power by evading detail clarification of his speedy deletion nomination, and by letting the speedy deletion status on so that deletion was completed while I was showing interest in improving the posting and actively providing evidence why the posting was justified and notable.

As you could see on the talk page of the deleted IGO Search, I reacted on the 'speedy deletion' nomination mere minutes after it was posted today. I asked the admin, very politely, why this was done. Initially he cited 'blatant advertising', which I questioned, and he changed it to lack of 'notability', which I countered providing objective information about the non-commercial non-governmental nature and superb respectability of the publisher of the service described (mandate of the United Nations, 101 year history as an international research institute, etc.) I also said, citing Misplaced Pages help sources, that if notability was in question, speedy deletion was the last resort of an editor, and I asked him to reconsider. Afterwards he asked for sources, which I was ready to answer, were the article not already deleted in the meantime. It would have been enough if he changed it to possible deletion, giving me and other people more time to discuss deficiencies of the article properly. I wonder how is it possible that one single person, without other views, discussion, and without an editorial consensus, and especially without providing comments and time on how to improve a possibly deficient article, how can one such person cause deletion of someone's work. Moreover, when I complained to him about this very incident, still trying to be very polite and talking about his actions rather than himself as a person, he deleted both of my posts and posted an note on my talk page to which I could hardly, with my own words deleted, defend against.

Summary: I am all for intelligent discussions backed by clear and irrefutable evidence, and I am hereby protesting against single-person non-discussed deletions of the above user. I believe blatant deletion of other people posts is not a way of discussing issues described in them. I shall be very grateful for any consideration and recommendations as to how can I -- or other people affected by someone deleting their work without proving any wrongdoing -- proceed. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjfulopp (talk • contribs) 23:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Two points: (1) Mayalld is not an administrator and did not (indeed, could not) delete the article. (2) This wasn't a "single-person … deletion". Mayalld nominated the article for speedy deletion, and an administrator (SatyrTN) reviewed the article and deleted it, citing general criterion 11 for speedy deletion (blatant advertising) as the reason. Railing against Mayalld for, in good faith, putting a speedy tag on the article seems misplaced anger. No one has accused you of "wrongdoing"; an editor and an administrator have simply concluded that an article did not meet the Misplaced Pages inclusion standards. You've initiated a deletion review discussion about the article. Why not calmly wait to see how that plays out? Deor (talk) 01:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Tjfulopp seems to have a major issue with Speedy deletion as a process, and is effectively protesting that the whole process is unfair. In that case, he needs to debate the process in the proper place, not argue that a single deletion, done in accordance with the current process, is wrong.

He seems to believe that deletion when he hadn't finished arguing with me is wrong, and that the article should not have been deleted unless and until I had made the case for deletion to his satisfaction, and persists in sending long winded, and petulant, messages requiring ever more information (such as this), and complaining if I remove those messages. It seems to have escaped his attention that if he had spent the four hours between tagging and deletion in adding the reliable sources that he claimed to have, instead of arguing, the article may not have been deleted.

The fact that he now seems to be forum shopping, and that he hasn't had the courtesy to inform me that he was taking it to this forum is unsurprising. Mayalld (talk) 14:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Wikidea

Wikidea is currently using edit summaries to accuse me of trolling, stalking (despite the fact that I first edited that page on 24 February 2008) and for not being smart. On article's discussion page he also accused me of being a troll and expressing wish that I would go away .

He was warned to watch on his manners by User:84user , me , and User:Yannismarou , . -- Vision Thing -- 23:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I stand by every word, and my record in every page that he is messing with, against this vexatious, impudent troll. Wikidea 01:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to echo User:Yannismarou—cool down, Wikidea. Cool Hand Luke 04:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

His latest comment: I wrote it you moron. -- Vision Thing -- 15:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Artw and User:Collectonian

Last night I stumbled on Masters of Horror after someone created an episode article for it using WP:COPYVIO material from IMDB. I redirected it to the episode list, only to discover one didn't exist. So, I spent a few hours creating an appropriate episode list, adding in the missing airdates and writers from a semi-list that had been in the main article. I then checked all of the other episode articles. All of them were simply plot summaries, some 800-900 words in length, and a few more copyvioed from IMDB. They all failed WP:EPISODE, WP:N, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:MOSTV. As such, I redirected them all to the episode list. Artw began undoing some of these redirects today. When I left what I felt was a polite question on his talk page asking why, he left an uncivil response. He has continued making personal attacks in the AfD for one episode, in his edit summary, and on my talk page.

I finally left him a warning for the last one on my talk page, to which he responded with more incivility.. Another editor has also left him a warning about the personal attacks and his response shows no sign he intends to change. I've never dealt with this editor before nor been in contact with him before today. He has barely even edited in the last year, so I see no reason he should be so extremely hostile towards me. -- ] (] · ]) 00:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Collectonian has the misfortune to have been engadging in a stereotypical mode of behaviour that I dislike on a set of articles that I happened to be looking at, and managed to catch my irritation both barrels. Engaging Collectonian in quite that manner over the mode of behaviour was wrong of me - I should have dealt strickly with the actions and not the person. I apologise If I have been overagressive towards them. Artw (talk) 05:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hard to believe that when you are canvassing people to come "save" the episode articles with remarks like these (which is a false statement, as only the episode articles were redirected while the main article was actually cleaned up and expanded with real referenced info instead of random stuff). -- ] (] · ]) 05:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm certainly remembering why I haven't edited for a while. And yes, removing content and replacing it with a redirect is basically the same as deleting it in most conventional senses of the word - the information no longer exists in the regular public parts of wikipedia. Artw (talk) 06:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure how asking someone if they'd be interested in helping improve articles is canvassing (especially as I have Artw's talk page on my watchlist along with a number of the articles in question). This isn't the first time Artw has passed me links to articles he thought I'd be able to help improve (usually sci-fi/horror). As we have disagreed in the past he also knows I'm going to give him my honest opinion.

I would ask Artw to stay civil though, if the articles are going to be improved it is always best to try and keep things as calm as possible so that everyone feels they can contribute their thoughts without worrying someone might snap at them.

Hope that helps explain things from where I sit. Hopefully, the concerns Collectonian rightly raised about the quality of the articles and Artw's wish to save them will help focus attention on the issue and help to resolve this one way or the other (if they can't be fixed they will need redirecting). (Emperor (talk) 15:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC))

Certainly these articles should be improved, but consensus-free summary deletion (we call it "redirect" sometimes) is not the answer. I can see why someone would lose their calm for a moment. Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 21:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

• I have engaged with this matter via Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Screwfly Solution (Masters of Horror episode). User:Collectonian's position on this article seems to be quite mistaken as this film quite notable and, being a free-standing, self-contained, high-quality production by a major director, fully merits a separate article. The Masters of Horror anthology seems to have been generally made in this style using other big name directors like John Carpenter. Engaging in the unilateral, non-consensual listification which got User:TTN topic banned for disruption seems especially inappropriate and unwise in this case. If User:Collectonian continues with her disruptive provocation then we should perhaps seek a topic ban for her too. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• That has nothing to do with the incivility at all, and after your personal attack in the AfD, I don't think you really need to be involved in this discussion at all as it is clear you aren't neutral and are just looking for excuses to bad mouth me some more. -- ] (] · ]) 15:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• User:Collectonian is uncivil here, making an insulting edit summary as she edit-wars contrary to consensus. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You started it with that mess in AfD and your deciding that because YOU agree you get to revert rather than actually let the discussion continue. -- ] (] · ]) 15:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Incivility - User:Captain_Obvious_and_his_crime-fighting_dog

This editor, when asked in a civil way to explain an edit, is generally rude or insulting. Here, Here, Here, Here, Here, Here, Here, Here. I could go on. This user has been warned, blocked, warned again, etc etc. I have also seen many instances where this user remains calm and helpful but I think he should be warned overall for getting too heated and becoming rude. --FilmFan69 (talk) 18:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

User:BalkanFever

Repeated incivility and personal attacks towards all users who disagree with him ,. Repeatedly politely warned by several users to no avail (latest: ). I've asked User:Moreschi to put him on civility parole, under WP:ARBMAC and he denied, in a rather colourful way . Note here that Moreschi has imposed WP:ARBMAC on me for much less and this is why I considered him the first choice as a neutral admin.--   Avg    18:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's make it a lit bit clearer:

• oh hell no. you are disgustingly biased. please hold while i vomit. seriously, stay away
• fuck that
• Thanks, but I don't think I'll take advice from an illiterate pretending to be something he's not.
• obstinacy is unbelievable. btw are you a steak or a kebab?
• I'm sorry, but it's hard for me to take the blatant POV pushing by VMORO seriously. I don't feel the need to address anything that he wrote, because it's all bullshit.
• "you almost made me crap my pants my pants with laughter." and "Have fun trying to push your idiotic fringe view (and before you say that's personal attack, admit to yourself that you are POV-pusher)."
• rv POV pushing bullshit. stay away
• removing the bullshit

That's just to make it more readable. I'll add up to the tally soon. I grew really tired of this recently and since he didn't change anything in his attitude since the couple of ANIs filed against his behaviour I'm in full support of sanctions. He's been acting sarcastically and made really unpleasant remarks of at least 5 or 6 editors most of the times completely unprovoked. That is if "POV-pushing" is enough of a reason to call someone illiterate, a steak of gebab, disgustingly biased and so on.--Laveol 21:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Another one:

• prolly coz u suk - that's to an annon. When I asked him what he was doing I got this answer: I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway..--Laveol 21:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

user:rspeer

He may have been impolite lately, possibly biting another, as you can see here () —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodone121 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

He did look a bit bitey - maybe leave a polite note on his talk page and see how it goes from there...... Dendodge .. Talk 02:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done: I left him a note...... Dendodge .. Talk 02:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Bettering the Wiki 02:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodone121 (talk • contribs)

I may have violated some Wikiquette, but I'd like to know what in particular made this necessary. The diff links to the entire conversation between me and MCB. I do not claim to get along with MCB, but it would help to know what part of that conversation crossed the line.

The word "bitey" is strange here, because it seems to refer to don't bite the newbies, and my entire goal on UAA is to prevent biting of newbies. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 21:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• WQA often confuses me, but this one a bit moreso. How exactly did Rspeer "bite a newbie" here? _D.Jameson 21:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
• He bit an established user, not a newbieBettering the Wiki (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry for using the wrong terminology, but you seemed rather stressed and hotheaded.Bettering the Wiki (talk) 17:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think all will be well if we just leave this. The comments were not 'biting' per se, but weren't entirely civil. Treating this as a 'warning shot' would probably b best - as rspeer is an obviously great user, showing unsurpassed kindness to newcomers. One argument and he's at WQA - that seems extreme. Let's just let it be for now...... Dendodge .. Talk 18:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I agree to close this, but not before warning rspeer that another action will be higher in the dispute resoultion process. I say this not to be mean, but to control his behavior.Bettering the Wiki (talk) 22:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Anonymous_Dissident

User:Anonymous_Dissident repeatedly makes indirect personal attacks:

• Calling an AFD nomination "very poor" with no address of the arguments presented.
• Giving undue "advice" about conduct in AFD debates
• Making condescending remarks in response to a polite template warning
• Making false accusations
• Calling user actions "ludicrous" rather than providing constructive criticism or basic discussion
• Calling user actions "silly" rather than providing constructive criticism or basic discussion
  

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Becky Sayles (talk • contribs) 18:50, August 11, 2008

Those aren't personal attacks. I think because the discussion was heated, you have taken offence when none was present or intended. The issue seems to be a result of an AfD, which has now closed, and I believe we can consider this issue closed also. Seraphim♥Whipp 17:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's my take in a little more detail:

• The admin referred to an AfD nomination as a poor nomination. The user is being uncivil towards the nomination?
• The admin gives you advice that responding to each keep nomination with a question is not going to result in a change of result.
• The "polite" template that you gave the admin was in response to him telling you that responding to each keep nomination would not change the result. You therefore incorrectly templated him for a personal attack. His statement that he did not make a personal attack is correct and in no way uncivil.
• Again, a rather civil response to you after you have templated him and made this post on his talk page. Posting a link on an admin's page on "How to Discuss an AfD" is simply snarky and uncalled for. Given that, the response you were given was rather polite.
• The admin says it is ludicrous to view his statement as an attack. That is neither uncivil nor untrue. There was no personal attack.
• He states that the believing that a page with frequent updates is considered a blog is silly. He did not call you silly.

I also note you did not inform him of this discussion. After reviewing these edits and other edits, you are the only one that seems to be behaving in a slightly uncivil manner. You are taking disagreement to your AfD nomination a little too personally. If you nominate an article that people are actively working on for deletion, you can expect there to be disagreement about it. A person giving you advice is not a personal attack. However, templating someone when they did not attack you is itself considered a personal attack. As per above, this should be considered a closed issue and the only reason I tacked this on was that I thought it was a little more detail (and I spent a long time writing before my edit conflict) --Smashville 18:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Badgering and lack of civility shown by User:Dfgarcia

If you look at my history you will notice that User:Dfgarcia is constantly leaving me messages regarding his "profession" as an ESL teacher, and offering to "teach" me things. I have tried to ignore him and lately I admit that out of frustration I have lashed out at him. He constantly provokes me, and as you can see I have NEVER left a message for him that was not in response to a message that he left for me, usually without reason. Please ask this "editor" to cease with his childish games and snobbish attitude towards me and to immediately terminate his annoying habbit of posting messages on my talk page. I have nothing more to say to him, he is not leaving constructive advise for me for any other reason but to be cleverly demeaning towards me and to insult my character, much in the way an unpopular schoolboy would try to "tattle" on his classmates. Further dialouge with him is nothing more than a pointless waste of my time. Thanks. Wjmummert (KA-BOOOOM!!!!) 20:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, he is attacking you. I will leave a note on his talk page promptly.Bettering the Wiki (talk) 22:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

 DoneBettering the Wiki (talk) 22:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Wjmummert (KA-BOOOOM!!!!) 00:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... you don't get it either: . dfg (talk) 07:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Lack of civility from User:Maurice27.

In the context of a dispute about possible vandalism from User:Maurice27, he has been showing a lack of civility with his own user talk page:

1. First, he has shouting me on my own talk page. I'd claimed him not to shout me.
2. Second, he removed my claim and has attacked me saying I'm a "dumbass" in a resume description of reversion from history talk page. I'd claimed him not to attack me.
3. Third, he removed again my respectful claim, and has attacked me saying I'm telling "foolish words" in Spanish "A palabras necias..." (I'm Spanish-speaker). This is a part of a popular expression in Spanish language that is "A palabras necias, oidos sordos", it means "Foolish words, deaf ears".

See in History of talk page from this user, from August 12th at 11:00 AM to 11:06AM.

Thanks. --Benimerin - كُنْ ذكورا إذا كُنْت كذوب - 11:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

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