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	It has additionally been claimed that a tiny visual detail makes it crucial: it is argued that the submarine is flying a "Jolly Roger" flag as a sign of its "kill". However, this detail is hardly visible on the image at all; it can still be adequately explained and covered by text alone; and the significance of that detail (which some British marine insider editors seem to think an awful lot of) is currently entirely unsourced and original research. ] ] 14:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)		It has additionally been claimed that a tiny visual detail makes it crucial: it is argued that the submarine is flying a "Jolly Roger" flag as a sign of its "kill". However, this detail is hardly visible on the image at all; it can still be adequately explained and covered by text alone; and the significance of that detail (which some British marine insider editors seem to think an awful lot of) is currently entirely unsourced and original research. ] ] 14:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
	:The so-called replacement picture ] is a great picture for ] or ] articles - not for the only nuclear submarine which sank a ship in wartime. I am neither an Argentinean nor a Briton so I'm pretty neutral. Please insert Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg again. The other picture is like illustrating ]'s article with his tomb stone. --''Regards, ] (])'' 15:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)		:The so-called replacement picture ] is a great picture for ] or ] articles - not for the only nuclear submarine which sank a ship in wartime. I am neither an Argentinean nor a Briton so I'm pretty neutral. Please insert Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg again. The other picture is like illustrating ]'s article with his tomb stone. --''Regards, ] (])'' 15:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::If you want an image of what the submarine physically looked like, go and take a free photo of its identical sister ship, which is apparently a well-preserved museum ship somewhere in Britain. It's not as if any visual difference between the two would be significant for the article, would it? And you are still making that logical mistake: "being the only nuclear submarine which sank a ship in wartime" is not something you can illustrate anyway, so why quote it as an argument here? You want to treat image-worthiness as a function of how important the object of the image is. That's not how NFCC#8 works. We don't include images because they are somehow associated with something important, we include them if and where they teach us something, concrete, visual, about it. This one doesn't. ] ] 15:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

	::There was no need to remove it from the articles mentioned, it was a perfectly justifiable use in accordance with wikipedia policies. It was removed and continued to be removed in spite of objections by other editors, clearly a consensus had not been reached.		::There was no need to remove it from the articles mentioned, it was a perfectly justifiable use in accordance with wikipedia policies. It was removed and continued to be removed in spite of objections by other editors, clearly a consensus had not been reached.

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Image:The_Yojiki_Baby_Swagbag.pdf

Image:The_Yojiki_Baby_Swagbag.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yojikids (notify | contribs).

Not used, blatant advertising. Sherool (talk) 00:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Delete per nom. — BQZip01 — 04:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Grammy Award.jpg

Image:Grammy Award.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Music2611 (notify | contribs).

This rationale does not explain how the use will not effect commercial gain or declare why it cannot be replaced by a freely licensed image. ViperSnake151 01:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Keep Though fair use needs to be updated, that is not a reason for deletion. Simply showing the statue/trophy for purposes of identification is appropriate in this instance. — BQZip01 — 04:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Keep, I've updated the fair use rationale. Music2611 (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Pachelbels Canon In D II.ogg

Image:Pachelbels Canon In D II.ogg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by WMC2007 (notify | contribs).

Copyrighted audio sample, exceeds fair use at 3:28 minutes. Sandstein 05:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

scan of artwork by john wood (doesn't seem to be the uploader) Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Old_Chickamauga_Town.jpg

Image:Old_Chickamauga_Town.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Natty4bumpo (notify | contribs).

halftoning suggests this is a scan, not an original photo Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Quatsino.jpg

Image:Quatsino.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Gesso7 (notify | contribs).

somehow i doubt the uploader is the copyright holder on this satellite imagery Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:QuirkycastleLunar.jpg

Image:QuirkycastleLunar.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Danny_Flynn (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Quiver-1.jpg

Image:Quiver-1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ownersrep (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:QTQ1966.png

Image:QTQ1966.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Eddie_Blake (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, likely copyvio Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:DaveyBoySmith012.jpg

Image:DaveyBoySmith012.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Padillo (notify | contribs).

A professionally posed image of a wrestler who has been dead for six years that was officially taken sometime in the nineties which has been uploaded under GFDL by a Filipino editor living in the Phillipines with a history of uploading images with fake licenses. Suffice to say I am not exactly likely to believe these circumstances. –– Lid 07:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:L_f085da2816b4ba86a007d8a6ed56b0d7.jpg

Image:L_f085da2816b4ba86a007d8a6ed56b0d7.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Danielt812 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LDS_hymnals_1.JPG

Image:LDS_hymnals_1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Papabear165 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LDS_hymnals_2.JPG

Image:LDS_hymnals_2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Papabear165 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LED_EscapingSilence.jpg

Image:LED_EscapingSilence.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hempdiddy (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LEITCH.jpg

Image:LEITCH.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Merrittcentennials (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LHH_Catastrophe_unit.jpg

Image:LHH_Catastrophe_unit.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Myscienceistight (notify | contribs).

no reason given for image to be PD Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LHH_Stertzer_heart.jpg

Image:LHH_Stertzer_heart.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Myscienceistight (notify | contribs).

no reason given for image to be PD Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LHH_Churchill_wheelchair.jpg

Image:LHH_Churchill_wheelchair.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Myscienceistight (notify | contribs).

no reason given for image to be PD Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LHS_Logo_SHADOW.gif

Image:LHS_Logo_SHADOW.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Davedoty (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, possible copyvio Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LIOGOS.jpg

Image:LIOGOS.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by MKSGRNS (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LIONEL_DEJEAN_WS2M_MODEL_AGENCY.jpg

Image:LIONEL_DEJEAN_WS2M_MODEL_AGENCY.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Arthurknight (notify | contribs).

ridiculously tiny image, i really doubt this was taken by the uploader Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LJ.JPG

Image:LJ.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by PGAD (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LJB_Headshot_2006.jpg

Image:LJB_Headshot_2006.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by LJBerman (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LJM.JPG

Image:LJM.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by PGAD (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, probably copyvio Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LNRpic1.jpg

Image:LNRpic1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Loonertheband (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, likely copyvio Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:LMMakai.jpg

Image:LMMakai.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by LMMakai (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Hollys.jpg

Image:Hollys.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Padillo (notify | contribs).

Image fails NFCC#8 in that it does not significantly add to readers understanding. Compared to other images in the two articles using it, it is simply decorative and fails the fair-use requirements - Peripitus (Talk) 07:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Erica D'Ormus.jpg

Image:Erica D'Ormus.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by OoOKT (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, unecyclopedic Yopie 12:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:-p-MicronesiaYapGS.jpg

Image:-p-MicronesiaYapGS.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kintetsubuffalo (notify | contribs).

Claimed as "historic image", but no historical significance of the scene shown, let alone the image as such, is being described or even hinted at in the article (Scouting in the Federated States of Micronesia). Clearly replaceable with a free photograph of a present-day scout group. Image is not the subject of discussion in the article; even if it were, it doesn't convey any visual information that an image of a present-day group couldn't convey just as well. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:00sep29Paulk.jpg

Image:00sep29Paulk.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Fireplace (notify | contribs).

Fails NFCC#1+8: Snapshot of a person caught in a compromising situation that earned him some notoriety. The person is only seen from the back; the fact that made the image notorious (that he was leaving a gay bar) is not seen on the image at all. No piece of visual information in this image is important to understand the article; in fact, everything that the image presumably represents not only can but must be expressed in the text, because the image doesn't contribute to understanding it at all. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg

Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by SoLando (notify | contribs).

This image had to be removed from several articles:
British naval forces in the Falklands War,
Royal Navy Submarine Service
Churchill class submarine
HMS Conqueror (S48)

It is currently orphaned but editors want it back, so I'm bringing it here. There has been some debate with local editors arguing the importance of the image at Talk:British naval forces in the Falklands War#Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg

This is a photograph of an historic British submarine, taken at an historic moment (the submarine is coming back from the Falklands War after having sunk an Argentinian cruiser). However, it fails NFCC#8 in that it makes no actual contribution, as an image, to understanding what it claims to represent. Editors who have been defending it as an "historic image" make a very typical mistake: they confuse the historical importance of a situation with the practical importance of an image for understanding it. This photograph may, for them, have symbolic importance in "representing" the notable historic situation; for the reader who isn't already familiar with the case, it represents nothing. There is no visual information in this image that actually helps the reader to understand the situation it is associated with. Anything this image is claimed to stand for has to be first explained to the reader through text before he can even begin to appreciate what it's about; once that is done, the text has rendered the image superfluous.

Apart from the symbolic historical significance, illustration of the concrete physical appearance of the submarine doesn't constitute grounds for keeping, since it could be replaced with free images of identical sister ships, and/or with an existing image that shows it at a later date, after its decommissioning.

It has additionally been claimed that a tiny visual detail makes it crucial: it is argued that the submarine is flying a "Jolly Roger" flag as a sign of its "kill". However, this detail is hardly visible on the image at all; it can still be adequately explained and covered by text alone; and the significance of that detail (which some British marine insider editors seem to think an awful lot of) is currently entirely unsourced and original research. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The so-called replacement picture Image:Warspiteconquerorvaliant.jpg is a great picture for Ships Cemetery or Disarmament articles - not for the only nuclear submarine which sank a ship in wartime. I am neither an Argentinean nor a Briton so I'm pretty neutral. Please insert Image:HMS Conqueror (S48).jpg again. The other picture is like illustrating John F. Kennedy's article with his tomb stone. --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 15:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

If you want an image of what the submarine physically looked like, go and take a free photo of its identical sister ship, which is apparently a well-preserved museum ship somewhere in Britain. It's not as if any visual difference between the two would be significant for the article, would it? And you are still making that logical mistake: "being the only nuclear submarine which sank a ship in wartime" is not something you can illustrate anyway, so why quote it as an argument here? You want to treat image-worthiness as a function of how important the object of the image is. That's not how NFCC#8 works. We don't include images because they are somehow associated with something important, we include them if and where they teach us something, concrete, visual, about it. This one doesn't. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

There was no need to remove it from the articles mentioned, it was a perfectly justifiable use in accordance with wikipedia policies. It was removed and continued to be removed in spite of objections by other editors, clearly a consensus had not been reached.

The image in question documents a historical event; namely the return of HMS Conqueror from the Falklands War. HMS Conqueror is the only nuclear submarine to have ever sunk a warship in a conflict and so the event is notable of its right for that alone. The event is further notable because the sinking of the ARA Belgrano resulted in the withdrawal of the Argentine navy from further participation in the war. The event is also notable because it is credited with ending peace efforts as Argentina used the event as a pretext to withdraw from further talks aimed at preventing the war.

The tiny detail referred to is the flying of a Jolly Roger. The flying of such a flag is a traditon of the Royal Navy submarine service that dates from the first world war (when all submariners were branded pirates). As HMS Conqueror is the only nuclear submarine and only the second submarine since World War 2 to have sank a warship this is again a unique event for which no other image can be used. Merely covering this in the text alone does not adequately describe it in context; that is provided by the image. The flying of the flag also re-inforces certain South American stereotypes that describe the British as "piratas", and is frequently commented upon in Argentina. None of this is original research, provides plenty of examples as to why this is a unique event.

The image is used in part to illustrate the Royal Navies contribution to the Falklands War. It is simply unbelievable that one of the pivotal events in the Falklands War is not an iconic moment or worthy of inclusion in an article about the Royal Navies contribution to the Falklands War. This image is necessary for that purpose, it has been more than adequately justified and clearly satisfies NFCC#8 as it is a significant iconic image that enhances readers appreciation of the topic. It also satisfies NFCC#1 as no free equivalent is available; HMS Conqueror is now decommissioned and the event rather obviously will not be repeated. Justin talk 15:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Imslayout.PNG

There is an .svg image that provides better quality. This image should be deleted. 209.2.60.98 (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Brewers-76sked.JPG

Image:Brewers-76sked.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Benrouse03 (notify | contribs).

Contains copyrighted logo. I suspect the uploader took a photo of a board/banner or something, but that does not mean that they have the right to release it into the public domain. J Milburn (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:CW Building.jpg

Image:CW Building.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ConceptWave (notify | contribs).

The size, silly shape, lack of meta-data and lack of explicit sourcing is leading me to believe this has been taken from elsewhere on the 'net. J Milburn (talk) 15:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)