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===Clarifications by Mr-Natural=-Health=== ===Clarification by Mr-Natural-Health===
This is a process requested by me, as part of the mediation process. I do not participate in witch hunts by *any* gang of thugs. -- ] 18:43, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC) This is a process requested by me, as part of the mediation process. I do not participate in witch hunts by *any* gang of thugs. -- ] 18:43, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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This matter which involves User:Theresa knott and User:Mr-Natural-Health was accepted for arbitration by the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration committee on February 6, 2004.

Public discussions by arbitrators will take place at Misplaced Pages:Matter of Theresa knott and Mr-Natural-Health/arbitrator discussion. All are welcome to view, but only arbitrators may edit. Additionally, there is some private arbitrator discussion.

Clarifications by arbitrators

I would like to clarify one point for anyone who may be confused. Arbitration, unlike mediation, does not have to be consensual. Thus, our right to arbitrate this case comes from its direct referral by Jimbo Wales: not from Theresa Knott, and not from Mr. Natural Health. Martin 18:32, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Statement by Theresa knott

Statement by Mr-Natural-Health

  • The issue for arbitration, here, has been narrowly defined by Theresa Knott and myself, Mr-Natural-Health. It is a result of my request to Jussi-Ville Heiskanen for the request for mediation filed by Theresa Knott to be split up into two separate issues.
Theresa Knott requested mediation, to-wit:
"I would like the mediation committee to see if they can perseude user:Mr-Natural-Health to work with myself and many other users on alternative medicine and a number of related articles. In any situation where Mr NH has disagreed with anyone else, he starts dishing out insults, listing out names on conflicts between users and reverting out work. theresa knott 20:30, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)"
I, Mr-Natural-Health, requested to Jussi-Ville Heiskanen that:
A)the issue of "alternative medicine and a number of related articles" continue to be resolved by mediation, while
B)the alleged "conflicts between users" narrowly defined to work on "alternative medicine and a number of related articles" be resolved directly by arbitration; so that the historical facts can speak directly for themselves.
No other issues were raised by Theresa Knott in her above cited request for mediation.
Furthermore, as I responded to Ms. Knott's request for mediation, I am requesting relief on the "conflicts between users" noted in my response to Theresa Knott above cited request for mediation as well, to-wit:
A)that User:David Gerard made an improper request to have Alternative medicine protected because David (1)reverted Off-topic POV comments, that were written by another user, in the research design sub-section, (2)declared that there was an edit war when in fact none existed, and (3)then had Alternative medicine protected.
B) that a yet to be identified user moved Mr-Natural-Health's Misplaced Pages:Conflicts between users conflicts to Misplaced Pages:Conflicts between users/Mr-Natural-Health, while this yet to be identified user clearly added a lot of material from elsewhere which was not from my conflicts listed on Misplaced Pages:Conflicts between users. Further, the yet to be identified user put my conflicts on the very bottom of this page so that visitors to it would first have to page through a lot of unrelated garbage before they could see the actual list of conflicts.
My specific objection is to the addition of material that clearly was 'added' rather than 'moved.'
In short, I have only consented to the above narrowly defined issues for both mediation and arbitration.
  • Amendments to my above original response:
  1. In regards to the Articles in dispute, I am currently in official mediation with Theresa Knott on these articles. The mediator is Jussi-Ville Heiskanen. It is my understanding that the mediation process is working on the Scientism article, in order to remove the POV from the Critique Section or second half of this article.
  2. In regards to " Scientism February 6, 2003, (rv POV version) Followed a revert (rv POV version) by User:David Gerard", David reverted my cleaning up activities of the current mess at Scientism because (1)I merely clarified what had been previously written under the so-called "Scientism is more often used to mean the acceptance of" definition., and (2)I added a missing definition cited in Talk:Scientism and used the identical descriptive style that had been previously written under the so-called "Scientism is more often used to mean the acceptance of" definition. Ergo, I restructure existing text in order to removed POV while David uncritically changed it back to a version full of POV due to its structure.
    1. In short, David Gerard, once again committed misconduct against me by his uncritical reversion of my improvements to the article, which clearly improved the professional quality of it.
  3. The material inside User:Snoyes/sandbox is outside the scope of the above narrowly defined issues that I have consented to for both mediation and arbitration. Inclusion of this material, would require me to add specific instances of misconduct committed against me by User:RK, User:Ed_Poor, the yet to be identified user who inappropriately protected my user page, among other possible users.
    1. In short, I never agreed to any open ended 'witch-hunt' by the 'gang of thugs.' I certainly do not have time to waste on researching what, when, and where both RK and Ed Poor among others acted inappropriately towards me on numerous occasions a month or so ago. I do not have time to waste on an extended arbitration process especially, since I have received no indication to date that anybody is monitoring their latest atrocities, let alone what they perpetrated against me on day one.
    2. But, at this time, I would like to extend my request for relief to include sanctioning Fred Bauder and others who edited this page, for their deliberate attempt to expand the scope of this arbitration process to something that I clearly never agreed to.

-- Mr-Natural-Health 17:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Clarification by Mr-Natural-Health

This is a process requested by me, as part of the mediation process. I do not participate in witch hunts by *any* gang of thugs. -- Mr-Natural-Health 18:43, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Links to evidence relevant to this matter raised by Mr-Natural-Health

  1. Final version of mediation process that was deleted
  2. David Gerard (revert in Alternative medicine)
  3. 9 Re: Mr. N-H and David Gerard -- I don't like defending Mr. N-H, but it was actually David, who requested Alternative Medicine protected. (1). Rasmus Faber 12:00, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC

Contributions by Mr-Natural-Health

Contributions by Theresa knott

Selected editing history of Mr-Natural-Health

Articles in dispute

Reversions by Mr-Natural-Health

  • Scientism February 6, 2003, (rv POV version) Followed a revert (rv POV version) by User:David Gerard of five edits , , , and by Mr-Natural-Health to

See also