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Wow. A clean talk page.

Your question:

I have voluntarily given you my identity and IP address on a popular WP discussion site of which you are a member. If you need further information, you may contact me there. (As a reference, it was the place in which we were discussing who to invite to the party...) Gretab (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I will use that information if necessary. Jehochman 21:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

GlobalCollect page

I am curious to know why you speed deleted the page I wrote regarding GlobalCollect without any prior warning as to what was unacceptable in the article. My goal was to create a sterile company profile (similar to the pages of CyberSource, Basic Research, Aveda, and a myriad of other companies on Misplaced Pages), not blatantly advertise for this particular company. Furthermore, you protected the page so I could not even rework the content to meet the Misplaced Pages standards. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.8.195.98 (talk) 17:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the company appears to be completely non-notable, and the article appeared to be blatant advertising. Since this article was deleted once before, and nothing seems to have changed since then, I have protected it to prevent circular debates over the same thing. If you like, register an account, read Business' FAQ, and then create an article in your userspace. If you have any connection to the company, best practice would be to disclose this. You can edit the page User:YourUsername/GlobalCollect (replace YourUsername with your real username). Feel free to ask me or another administrator to review the article and see whether it complies with policy well-enough to be moved into the encyclopedia. I hope this advice helps. Jehochman 17:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Abd talk page

Abd has specifically asked you not to post on their talk page, and (like any other user) is entitled to remove comments from their own talk page. Why not just stop baiting? DuncanHill (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Abd has followed me around and disrupted my conversations. I left him a warning about that, and replied to a question from another administrator. If Abd does not interfere with me, I have no intention of going near his talk page. I disagree with your assessment that I am baiting him. How exactly do I warn off a user who is disrupting my conversations without leaving a note on their talk page? Per this essay I started, I am going to back off, but I am still free to respond to any criticism directed at me. Jehochman 17:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Contact me regarding "plan of action" for ScienceApologist mentorship

(See: ) We need to get in touch to organise a 'plan of action' from here on in, regarding guiding ScienceApologist back onto the right path. I am aware that you had a proposal to focus S.A.'s contrib's on a few, select articles, with a view to bringing them up to featured status. If you wish to endure with that (it certainly seems like a good plan to me), we'll need to co-ordinate how we're going to enforce it, which articles to pick, how far we should ask S.A. to restrict himself from other articles (compile a "blacklist" of articles he should stay well away from?), and so on.

I've also asked S.A. and Fritzpoll (the other mentor) to contact me. Would email be an okay forum by which to discuss things (it would probably be easiest -- could CC everybody into the one thread)?

Anthøny 22:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, email me. I should be able to respond fairly promptly. We might start by asking SA to make a list of articles he'd like to edit, and we can supplement that, and maybe strike those which seem too trouble-prone, and then ask him if he would agree. Jehochman 22:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Medicine is not even a good article yet. That would be a good place to start. Jehochman 16:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Just waiting on Fritzpoll returning to editing (he's away over the weekend). Regards, Anthøny 16:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Block just now

FYI, if it helps. rootology (T) 18:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Admin Coaching?

Hi. I'm interested in having an admin coach, and I saw you had an opening. What is your method for coaching your students? Would you be interested in coaching me? Thanks. SunDragon34 (talk) 03:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to my talk page. I'd be happy to help you. I think you have been here less than six months and have less than a thousand edits, yes? As a practical matter, it would be difficult to pass RFA before you have more experience. I'd like you to pass with a high percentage, not just squeak through. Could you begin by choosing an important article, and bring it through good article or featured article candidacy? I've had my eye on medicine, but you could choose another topic if something else interests you more. I recommend choosing a serious academic subject, rather than pop culture for the purpose of this exercise. When you run into difficulties, you can ask me for advice. Jehochman 20:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I am currently involved in improving Toy Story, the first entirely CG film, to FA-status. I know it's not a serious academic subject, but it is a great milestone in film, and it's what I'm working on right now. I'll tell you when I nominate it to GAC. I'm keeping an eye out for a more serious one to improve. I think I might work on Sarracenia...

Thanks. SunDragon34 (talk) 09:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your comment. I wasn't aware of that. PHG (talk) 16:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Bogus Sockpuppet

No. I really did suspect that those three were sockpuppets - read my later contributions.

I have been met with resistance on the Solar System pages, then when I show analytical thinking, then logical conclusions: I'm met with silence. -HarryAlffa (talk) 18:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

answer

User:Hillary Rodham Clinton constituent. Coren wrongly blocked this citing a name of a person or organization. There is no such person as the constituent family. There is no such organisation either. Coren didn't even ask me to change the name. Why don't you block him for 24 hours for violating Misplaced Pages rules? The last (first) time I mentioned it, another Nazi admin blocked me because they said I shouldn't complain. The trouble with admin is they have no accountability. If they violate the rules, they must be subject to punishment. I don't seek a harsh punishment. Maybe a series of points. Once they exceed a certain number of points, then punishment is given. HRCC (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Your tone is getting aggressive. What is your point? HRCC is the only account I use. Period. Having another account is permitted even though I don't. HRCC (talk) 21:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:KETTLE. Check the tone of your above post, which I explain further on your talk page. If I weren't feeling so mellow, I'd have blocked you indefinitely about 20 minutes ago. I am optimistic that you'll agree with my advice and avoid further problems. Jehochman 21:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

The correct response would be for Coren to cite the policy and ask for a name change. If Coren did what he did, the next best thing would be to say he's sorry but that there was enough ambiguity (AGF for him) in the rules and that he's sorry that the autoblock prevented creating a new name.

Coren disabled autoblock but he probably didn't know that if you log into a blocked account, even if account creation is disabled, you cannot edit with the new account for 24 hours. If so, he should have been a nice admin and say so. This kind of courtesy makes Misplaced Pages user friendly but the rudeness of admin makes Misplaced Pages seem like a lawless website of anonymous admin.

Per your advice, I will check my tone. Please also check your tone. As soon as you don't like something, you start hinting sockpuppet. As far as I know, nobody has ever suggested the point system so that shows I have a unique idea.

You cite being mellow at the moment for not blocking. This is good and bad. The good is that you have not blocked. The bad is that you display the same behavior as that other admin. If one doesn't toe the Misplaced Pages party line (Misplaced Pages is great, dear comrade), they will block you for "trolling". You almost said that you also block people when you are mad. That's not good. You should be more mellow, as you put it.

HRCC (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

history only deletion

Please put back Andrew Young. As a compromise, you can do a "history only" replacement. That way, one can look at the history and see the old version.

The man has been cited in over 40 articles that I counted before I stopped counting. Major news sources have cited him. This would make speedy deletion inappropriate.

If you do a history only deletion, they you still win. You get to wipe out the article yet it remains there for others to improve on it.

I think the title needs a little changing but that can be done later.

I also think that you have a conflict of interest. Some harsh words were exchanged which was immediately followed by speedy deletion of an article that I worked on. As an experienced administrator, you can behave better than that. Misplaced Pages is not a third world military dictatorship. HRCC (talk) 21:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll happily provide a copy of the article to you so you can merge it into an appropriate existing article. Just that we don't make a stand alone article about a person for one event in their life. I am not in any sort of conflict with you. I've given you feedback, critical perhaps, but we are not arguing over article content. I am encouraged that you are talking to me and at least willing to hear what I have to say. Jehochman 22:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

'''Andrew Young''' was a campaign official for U.S. presidential candidate, John Edwards, who stated that he is the father to a child with a woman who had an affair with Edwards. == Early life and brushes with the law == Young married Cheri Lynn Pfister, a nurse, in 1999. He was charged with passing bad checks, possession of marijuana, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest when in his 20's. In 2006, he was cited for having open beer containers at a park and charged with driving while impaired. A substance abuse counselor stated that there was evidence of alcohol abuse. == Career == Young has worked for the North Carolina Academy of Trial Lawyers. He registered as a lobbyist in 1999 where he won praises from other lobbyists. == References == http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26229037

Vanessa Fox

Dear talk page lurkers, Vanessa Fox asked me if we could clean up her article. It needs copy editing, and I will post requested factual corrections and sources to the article talk page as soon as she emails them to me. I feel that subjects of our articles should have their concerns heard and acted on when reasonable. Would anyone like to help with this? Jehochman 22:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Coaching matches found

I'm pleased to inform you that several strong candidates for Admin coaching have requested a coach and that I've compiled a short list of candidates you can select from in picking a coachee. Or you can visit the Current requests section and pick another prospective coachee. Undead warrior (talk · contribs) - 7328 edits Smsarmad (talk · contribs) - 11843 edits Wildthing61476 (talk · contribs) - 9840 edits You may wish to consult the Coaching methods page for models other coaches have found successful. Malinaccier (talk) 00:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

RE:Coach

Yeah. I am looking for a coach. I failed two RfAs and was just awarded that thing. (Please, if you are not satanic, and don't know latin, do NOT translate that. lol) If you'll be my coach, I'd be your student. Undeath (talk) 03:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be glad to help you. I have put together this page User talk:Jehochman/Coaching. Take a look and leave comments there. You can just get started, and then after you've worked on some stuff, ask me to review. Also feel free to ask for help if you run into something that needs administrative attention. Jehochman 03:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

How's this? (It's latin for dead warrior) Mortuus bellator (talk) 04:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Signature can be whatever you like, but it would be best if your username matched the signature. This reduces confusion and is especially important for an administrator, in my opinion. You can change your username to match the signature, if you like. Jehochman 04:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess I'll go with this. The Undead Warrior (talk) 04:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Could you register User:The Undead warrior as a doppleganger account and link it to your main account? That will help people who naively copy your signature into the search box and go looking for you. Jehochman 04:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I never have like doppleganger accounts. I'll just make this my sig for now. Should ease any confusion. And yes, I do have email. Undead Warrior (talk) 04:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Good. Such little things can improve people's first reactions. You've done a lot of vandal fighting. That's good. Now we need to work on some of the more subtle skills. Take a look at my coaching page (linked somewhere above) and see where you'd like to start first. Jehochman 04:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to do a DYK, but I don't know the process. Undead Warrior (talk) 05:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

One of the easiest possible ways to get a DYK is to take a large, bloated article, and break out daughter articles using summary style. I ripped a huge chunk of content out of gamma ray burst to create gamma ray burst progenitors and was awared a DYK without even knowing how it happened. There's a bot that looks for new articles and lists them as DYK candidates. You can of course follow the procedure at WP:DYK to nominate any article you have created. Check the criteria before you start. My userpage lists the few that I have done, which may serve as examples. Jehochman 05:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to say the award I gave Undead was sort of camp in it's horrorness. It doesn't imply any sort of wrongness. Nor is it technically a Flaming Hellpot award, I just liked the pic. However, he did earn the award for his IMHO strong sticking his neck out on behalf of what he considered right, I believe he'll be an excellent candidate for admin coaching. Sticky Parkin 18:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Would The Mandrake (band) contain a DYK? Undead Warrior (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, if you expand it substantially over a couple days and quickly submit. Check the criteria at WP:DYK for expanding stub articles. You'd should links to the article before and after your expansion. Jehochman 18:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

"Former redirects, stubs, or other short articles that have been expanded fivefold or more within the last five days are also acceptable as "new" articles." You'd need to expand that to more than 20 kb, and write a good "hook". I am not sure if you can find enough sources to write that much. In this case the article started at 4k, so expanding it 5x is tougher. If you do submit this one, leave me a diff and I'll check it out and provide guidance. Otherwise, feel free to try something else. Jehochman 18:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Appeal

Hi Jehochman, I have filed a request for appeal at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration. I'll be looking forward to your support. Cheers PHG (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

I was on the verge of changing that, but was not bold enough, and reckoned I'd probably just have WP:CENSOR thrown back at me. Your edit summary is perfect, and I reckon I'll probably use that at some time or another :). _TalkIslander 19:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for participation in User:Abd/RfC

Because my participation as a Misplaced Pages editor has been questioned, and if I continue as I have in the past, I can expect future challenges as well, I have begun a standing RfC in my user space, at User:Abd/RfC. There is also a specific incident RfC at User:Abd/RfC/8.11.08 block. I understand that you may not have time to participate directly; however, if you wish to be notified of any outcome from the general or specific RfC, or if you wish to identify a participant or potential participant as one generally trusted by you, or otherwise to indicate interest in the topic(s), please consider listing yourself at User:Abd/RfC/Proxy Table, and, should you so decide, naming a proxy as indicated there. Your designation of a proxy will not bind you, and your proxy will not comment or vote for you, but only for himself or herself; however, I may consider proxy designations in weighing comment in this RfC, as to how they might represent the general community. You may revoke this designation at any time. This RfC is for my own guidance as to future behavior and actions, it is advisory only, upon me and on participants. This notice is going to all those who commented on my Talk page in the period between my warning for personal attack, assumptions of bad faith, and general disruption, on August 11, 2008, until August 20, 2008. This is not a standard RfC; because it is for my advice, I assert authority over the process. However, initially, all editors are welcome, even if otherwise banned from my Talk space or from the project. Canvassing is permitted, as far as I'm concerned; I will regulate participation if needed, but do not spam. Notice of this RfC may be placed on noticeboards or wikiprojects, should any of you think this appropriate; however, the reason for doing this in my user space is to minimize disruption, and I am not responsible for any disruption arising from discussion of this outside my user space. Thanks for considering this. --Abd (talk) 02:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)