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-- "Give me Unix or give me a good, solid sledgehammer!" Project2501a 13:35, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I should do some writing...

I apologise, because lately, my work and my reading about ADO and DAO] microsuck technologies has taken most of my time. I am gonna work on this article this weekend. What I'm going to do, is write in the reasons that Mikis gives for calling Israelites the root of all evil. Does that sound good? Project2501a 20:27, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually, Mikis attempted to rephrase his original sayind to "Israelites are AT the root of all evil", meaning that they are amidst a situation that's above their own will and too difficult to resolve. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is outside the scope of this article, so please concentrate on Mikis' biography solely. Mikis does not need anyone to jump at his defense; his life achievements are the best answer to his critics, if presented as facts. Etz Haim 23:30, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Niko, cool, then, i'm removing the disputed tag from the top of the article Project2501a 21:39, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Nice, but regarding the considerations expressed above, this article needs major rewriting. I should return to it when I have the time. Etz Haim 09:50, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Obviously, this article is not an unbiased view of the man and his services to peace and human dignity, that he expressed in numerous occasions. My opinion is that the quoted political views are way out of context and presented in such a way as to present Mikis as an anti-semite and racist individual. It is my belief that this effort emanates from Mikis' stance against an arrogant and war-loving attitute that has taken Washington (and Tel-Aviv of course) in the years after the fall of the Soviet Union. Such a stance, though, shows who Mikis has been all along! --Ank99 07:29, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) el:User:ank

Nobel Peace Prize

• In 2000, he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Being nominated for the Peace Prize is an honor, but it is not official and not necessarily prestigious. Any national legislator or about a third of the university professors in the world can make a nomination, and there have been as many as 140 some years. Nominators are requested to keep their nominations secret, so it's only those wishing publicity who make announcements. Altogether, I see no reason to keep it. No offense to the subject, this is a general Nobel Peace Prize "nominees" issue. -Willmcw 07:06, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup and titles

I cleaned this up to Wiki standards, I think. Any interested party can check my work and revise as necessary. I added titles to the roman numeral headings. Feel free to rewrite as necessary. DanMS 23:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cleaned up the language here & there, added some links and made a few minor enhancements. Nothing, I believe, that has any bearing on the Disputed discussion here. I did, however, remove or attribute av few POV praises for Mr. T's artistic prowess. I agree he is a splendid composer/artist, but his worldwide acclaim is such that it needs no emphasis in this article. In short, I don't think anybody will be offended by the edit. (Asav)

Theodorakis - Clarification and Direct Translation of Recent Remarks Regarding Hebrews

I must say that I too was a little surprised to have heard accusations that Mikis Theodorakis is an anti-Semite. Although the quote is somewhat old news now, I have just found out about it. The need for Jewish people to be vigilant of such remarks is obvious - pogroms and holocausts do not just start from nowhere but are preceded by decades or even centuries of dehumanization of Jewish people. It is safe to say that harming your fellow human is not a pleasant task and is preceded by a process whereby the subject group is removed from the realm of humanity in the minds of perpetrators. Thus, I admire those who would pounce with vigour on a quote by such an influential figure. Clarification is required however. With regard to the Theodorakis quote, I can say as a Greek speaker that it was not translated properly. As he says in his quote, the Greeks are without brothers in the world and as such, the language does not translate well. Also, being an ancient language, it is full of words that do not have modern connotations in other languages. On the ears of Greek listeners the quote would sound much different. Most particularly I can say that the word "evil" does not appear once in his quote. I called some other Greek speakers and asked them randomly what the word was for evil - again it was not the same word that appears in the quote. Here is my translation of the quote. It may seem awkward because I have sought to translate it directly so that the reader can understand how the quote would be heard by Greek ears:

"We are two brotherless people in this world, us and the Hebrews, they have fanaticism though and can manage to impose their will... Today we can say that this small people are in the root of the bad not the good (...) The well known fact that we are loose and have not become defensive is because we have more weapons, they have Abraham and Jacob, shadows. We had a whole Pericles here. Imagine what would have happened with Greece if we had the defensiveness of the Hebrews! So much looseness that we have."

As one can see this direct translation has a lot less of the moral connotations found in some reports. For example - to be in the root of the bad is not the same as "being the root of all evil." "Bad" as anyone knows is not the same as evil. It means that which is not good (eg. insecurity). To feel insecure is "not good." To be in the root of the bad means to draw from bad things. Other incorrect translations are the words "can manage to impose their will," this has been translated in some reports as "evil stubbornness." Again, wholly inappropriate. Defensiveness is translated as aggressiveness. Also incorrect.

Theodorakis' remarks seem to be in regard to the question of why out of two peoples without kin countries in the world, Israel is more successful in protecting its interests than Greece. Both countries have been historically surrounded by enemies on all sides. Finally, when I asked some Greeks what they took from the quote, their response was that it means Greeks should not be so 'loose' and be more like Hebrews in defending themselves.

"Enas Omiros"

Isn't it "O Omiros"? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:54, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I belive that: O Omiros = Homer, so Enas Omiros to distinguish the play.

But what I meant was, isn't the name of the play "O Omiros"? I have two albums of the music, one sung by Theodorakis and one by Farandouri (both in storage at the moment, unfortunately), and I was sure that they both used the definite article — but checking the Web shows me that I was wrong. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

It's "Enas Omiros", and it is the title of the Greek translation of the play by Brendan Behan: "The Hostage". First performance on 12.04,1962 in Athens.

Plays

Should something be said about Ippies (Aristophanes); what exactly is these? Is it based on a real play by Aristophanes, is it an alternative name for a real play, or what? I can't find any trace of this except in the context of Theodorakis. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:53, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

American Copley Music Prize?

I have been unable to find any information on this "American Copley Music Prize". Cn anyone help? --Janice Rowe