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African American-Native American marriage

Thanks for the compliment on the Black Indians article. I do not yet know of any specific contemporary books dealing with this direct issue; most work on African-Native American interaction deals with historical intermarriage and associations between the two groups (e.g. William Loren Katz). In the case of African American-Native American marriage, African Americans with Native American ancestry tend marry other Black Indians of similar ancestry rather than a full-blooded Native person. This can add to the complexity. (See http://www.mixedheritagecenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1210&Itemid=34 for that discussion.) I am sure there is some literature dealing with modern discussion on the issue; I just haven't found it yet. If you need anything else, please leave another message. Best of luck on your article. Let me know if you have any ideas for any of my work. Until next time! Mappychris (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)mappychris

Dinosaur size changes

Hi Mcelite,

Why are you adjusting the respective sizes of Spinosaurus, Giganotosaurus, and Tyrannosaurus? We get a lot of editors who switch the already-referenced numbers around, but the references in Dinosaur size confirm that Tyrannosaurus was neither the longest nor the most massive theropod. These are only estimates, but they are based mostly on peer-reviewed papers and studies of the fossils. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 07:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

here is the link to the T. rex third finger discovery. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 08:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it was pretty surprising to everyone. Firsfron of Ronchester 23:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Dinosaur sizes

Hey Mcelite. I'm not sure what you mean when you frequently refer to people "declaring officially" the largest theropod. These things are not declared, estimates are given in various studies based on fossil evidence. All studies since its discovery have recognized Giganotosaurus as larger than Tyrannosaurus. Period. Some specimens that might be larger have been found. However, when these have been actually studied and published on, they were not found to be even as large as Sue. Some, like C-Rex, might be larger, but might not. We won't know until the finds are prepared and studied, and it's not our job as an encyclopedia to speculate about or discuss these finds until the real scientists are able and willing to give official opinions. Spinosaurus was usually ignored when saying which was biggest, but as the article states, it was known to be longer than 45ft even as far back as the 1960s. The new finds in the last three years have simply confirmed this. Every study since has found Spinosaurus to be the largest theropod. Unless new evidence comes to light to disprove this (maybe it had no tail, or was full of helium?), this must be considered official by any serious encylcopedia. Of course there's room for speculation and criticism of these studies, but that must be done on personal web sites, not on Misplaced Pages. The cites are our foundation. Changing the numbers for information that is backed up by a published source, as it seems you've done, is unethical at best. If you have data points that you think contradict what's in the articles, that's great, but please discuss them before you make changes. Dinoguy2 (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mcelite,

I'm going to back up Dinoguy's comment above and give you the statistics:

• Spinosaurus: estimates suggest that it was around 16 to 18 meters in length (52.5 to 59.1 ft) and 9 tonnes (9.9 tons) in weight. The paper is: dal Sasso, C.; Maganuco, S.; Buffetaut, E.; and Mendez, M.A. (2005). "New information on the skull of the enigmatic theropod Spinosaurus, with remarks on its sizes and affinities". Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 25 (4): 888-896. doi:10.1671/0272-4634(2005)025%5B0888:NIOTSO%5D2.0.CO;2.
• Giganotosaurus: The largest specimen is estimated to represent an individual 13.2 m (43.3ft) long, that weighed 6.2 tons. The estimate comes from Mortimer, M. (2004), "Carnosauria", The Theropod Database, viewed September 17, 2007. http://home.myuw.net/eoraptor/.
• Carcharodontosaurus: Grew to an estimated 11.1-13.5 meters (36-44 feet) and weighed up to 2.9 metric tons. The sources are Mortimer, M. (2003), "And the Largest Theropod Is....", discussion group, The Dinosaur Mailing List, viewed July 21, 2003. http://dml.cmnh.org/ and Bervoets, F. (2007), "DinoData", viewed September 17, 2007. http://www.dinodata.org/.
• Deltadromeus: measured an estimated 8.1-~13.3 m (26.5-~43.6 ft) long. The source is Mortimer, M. (2004), "Carnosauria", The Theropod Database, viewed September 17, 2007. http://home.myuw.net/eoraptor/.
• Tyrannotitan: up to 13.7 metres or 45.6 feet long. The source is: Novas, de Valais, Vickers-Rich and Rich. (2005). "A large Cretaceous theropod from Patagonia, Argentina, and the evolution of carcharodontosaurids." Naturwissenschaften.
• Tyrannosaurus: grew up to 12-13 m (39.3-42.6 ft) long and weighed 6-8 tons. The papers are: Brochu, C.R. 2003. Osteology of Tyrannosaurus rex: insights from a nearly complete skeleton and high-resolution computed tomographic analysis of the skull. Memoirs of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology. 7: 1-138, Christiansen, P. & Fariña, R.A. 2004. "Mass prediction in theropod dinosaurs." Historical Biology 16: 85-92, and Henderson, D.M. 1999. "Estimating the masses and centers of mass of extinct animals by 3-D mathematical slicing". Paleobiology 25: 88–106.

These estimates indicate that Spinosaurus was both the longest and most massive theropod dinosaur known, and that Tyrannosaurus was only the third longest and sixth most massive theropod. These numbers are listed at Dinosaur size, with the sources in place. New sources may come out which give different figures. Until they do, these are the numbers we've got. When possible, we try to use papers published in peer-reviewed scientific journals so that the numbers are as accurate as possible. Few of the skeletons are complete, but we're going with numbers published outside of Misplaced Pages.

When you change the numbers around, or begin to speculate on which ones could be larger, you go from being an encyclopedia editor to an adder of speculative material. This may be fine on a personal website, but cannot be used on Misplaced Pages because of the no original research policy.

If you have better sources for the sizes (preferably from peer-reviewed journals), please provide them, either here or on talk:Dinosaur size. It should be our goal to provide the best sources of information for our readers, and none of these numbers is set in stone. But none of these estimates were published by Misplaced Pages editors, which is why your changes have been continually reverted: it appears the material added is your own speculation. Firsfron of Ronchester 08:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey Mcelite, no worries. As far as I know, Gig and the largest known T. rex were about the same hip height, 3-3.5m, but nobody really publishes these kind of estimates because height depends entirely on the posture of the legs and back, which of course was incredibly variable (that is, nobody knows what stance was 'neutral' for these animals). I agree that there's no good evidence Gig was more massive than Rex, but we need to report the full range of published estimates... which happen to be exactly the same for each species. Various good studies have posited between 6 and 8 tonnes max size for both, so that's what we report. Dinoguy2 (talk) 02:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Notability

Articles on Misplaced Pages must be notable, or in short, they must have been the subject of several reliable, verifiable secondary sources. For instance, an article on Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow is notable since it has been the subject of several secondary sources (interviews concerning development, reviews from several video game publications). Conversely, an article on my old dog is not notable, as he hasn't been the subject of any significant type of secondary sources. There are some specific notability requirements for certain types of articles (books, people, organizations and companies), and for your purposes, this is Misplaced Pages:Notability (fiction). To avoid a confusing diatribe on the matter, in short, if you can find information on Kishimoto's conception and development of Ino (why he created the character, what thought went into appearance, personality, abilities, whatever) or reception from other sources (critical reception on her specifically, merchandise released), then you would have a much stronger case for having an article on her. If any of this is confusing, as it inevitably is, feel free to ask me for clarification on my talk page. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR 05:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

If such information was easily found, then she would have an article right now. Merchandise can be found by checking Viz Media's site, or Amazon.com. Critical reception can be found from a variety of sources, so long as the source satisfies WP:RS and WP:V. For instance, you can use an article from the Los Angeles Times or IGN, but not one from a Naruto fansite. Anyhow, it would be best if you created the article in your userspace, and then inquire at Talk:List of major Naruto characters or another related page whether your efforts are enough to satisfy Misplaced Pages:Notability (fiction). As for the userspace issue, start the page at User:Mcelite/Sandbox. There, you can work at the page at your leisure: consider it your personal workspace for making the article until it's ready. Best of luck. Sephiroth BCR 00:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Sephiroth BCR 03:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ino Yamanaka

I made some edits and added some references in the text. I would grateful if you help me with sorting them and editing source code! U is for Uppermind (talk) 05:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Category:Americans of Native American descent

Please read Misplaced Pages's policies concerning verifiability and reliable sources. You can't put articles into categories, including Category:Americans of Native American descent, without reliable sources that indicate the the categorization is accurate. Whether the categorization is "negative, positive, or just questionable", it is supposed to be removed from articles about living people. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 06:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I saw that you added Rosa Parks and James Earl Jones a few days ago. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 08:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm very sorry. You're right, their articles do discuss their Native heritage. Sorry. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 08:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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Aaliyah

Hi! It's nearly impossible to get unregistered user to stop fiddling with record sales figures. I don't know what it is, but just about every record article has that problem. Anyway, I only found two sources. They appear to be reliable so you can take your pick.

• Source #1: Surge
• Source #2: Just Soul

They don't seem to be scraped from Misplaced Pages so they might be ok to use. I suggest throwing the word "approximate" in there. Figures change all the time which is why it's so hard to find a concrete source for that. Hope that helps! :) Pinkadelica (talk) 16:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

"Race" vandal

This user...User:ELNUMERO1...is a problem, as addressed by me in this on his or her talk page. Keep a look out for this vandal, who has a serious "race" issue. I know that you've come across this vandal before. If he or she strikes one more time, I'm definitely seeking out to get this vandal blocked. But I really feel that this one needs to be banned. Flyer22 (talk) 09:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Just letting you know that this vandal was finally permanently blocked. Flyer22 (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Alexa Woods

I only gave it a very brief rewrite. It had too many fair-use images for such a short article, and only one was really needed. Plus the one where she is killing an Alien was from the making-of, not the movie. I plan to go through and dicect the plot and add a little more about her.LordJesseD (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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African-Native Americans

While wandering around the web, I came across this page, which I thought might be of interest to you. — ] (] · ]) 19:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Article at AnthroSource.net

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The Jackson family

Before this turns into a revert war, let me say 1) I am African-American with Latin, European and Indian mixture. So I have no doubt the Jackson, much like every other African-American are bound to have some mixture. However 2) Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article and should be appropriate to the claims made. A passing glance at an individuals physical appearance is not credible for encyclopedic documentation. You would need the authors book where he discusses the Jackson family. Other public figures like Barack Obama, Mariah Carey and Halle Berry, who have discussed their ethnic backgrounds in their own words and have several sources documenting their ethnicity. If you can't find the information, then I'm sorry, but for the sake of credibility we can't include such information. I did a google book search for "Michael Jackson" and "native american ancestry" but I didn't find anything. I realize the author in that source is an expert, but we still need his actual publication where he does discuss the Jackson family heritage in detail. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 05:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest looking up William Loren Katz and his books through amazon if you'd like to purchase it, or see it is available at your local library. As long as we have a page, author, and publication, we can usually include anything thats credible. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Lil' Kim

Hi. First, have you tried to discuss the issue with the other editor? If she/he isn't willing to talk, see if you can get a consensus on the article's Talk page.

Also, consider adding a footnote similar to the sentence in this article. Put the most common date of birth in the article and add a footnote that other sources give a different date of birth. That might be a good compromise.

Good luck. — ] (] · ]) 03:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's 100 metres

Hi there. I saw that you edited the aforementioned page regarding Torri Edwards' "false start". I have slightly altered the information there, and just wanted to give you a heads up. Orane (talk) 05:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I see that you have also added the information to other pages. I've explained both sides of the issue on each page. Orane (talk) 06:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the information that you put down was very biased as you didn't even seek to address the possible reasons the race was not recalled. I don't want the issue to become too personal, but I will say that it's a shame that they (including you) are sore losers. If America had made a clean sweep, no one would have been complaining. It pains you all that another country beat you, and it's quite a pity. Hopefully your golden boy Michael Phelps is clean. And hopefully his win by a nanosecond is also legit. By the way, a Jamaican actually had the second slowest reaction time in the 100m race. She still came in second. If Edwards wanted to win, she should have run faster...Orane (talk) 14:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, true. Kerron Stewart said that she thought that a false start had been committed. But there was no false start, as indicated by the reaction times. Honestly, the winner clocked 10.78. She definitely would have won. It's unfortunate that Edwards lost her concentration. But don't blame the Jamaicans. Williams didn't detect any false start, and she also finished poorly. But whatever. There wasn't a false start, and the results are effective until next Olympics. Let's not bother ourselves, please. Orane (talk) 02:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh no, it's fine. Just like the World Cup, I always get heated over sports (especially track, my favourite). It's all friendly banter. And I look forward to the showdown next Olympics. Actually, how about World Champs next year? Orane (talk) 14:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)