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Revision as of 05:37, 27 September 2005

Please note that Coolcat has begun using the account Cool Cat (talk · contribs). This may affect certain links, in most cases substituting Cool Cat for Coolcat will cause the link to go to the proper place.

Anyone, whether directly involved or not, may add evidence to this page. Please make a header for your evidence and sign your comments with your name.

When placing evidence here, please be considerate of the arbitrators and be concise. Long, rambling, or stream-of-conciousness rants are not helpful.

As such, it is extremely important that you use the prescribed format. Submitted evidence should include a link to the actual page diff; links to the page itself are not sufficient. For example, to cite the edit by Mennonot to the article Anomalous phenomenon adding a link to Hundredth Monkey use this form: .

This page is not for general discussion - for that, see talk page.

Please make a section for your evidence and add evidence only in your own section. Please limit your evidence to a maximum 1000 words and 100 diffs, a much shorter, concise presentation is more likely to be effective. Please focus on the issues raised in the complaint and answer and on diffs which illustrate behavior which relates to the issues.

If you disagree with some evidence you see here, please cite the evidence in your own section and provide counter-evidence, or an explanation of why the evidence is misleading. Do not edit within the evidence section of any other user.

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Evidence presented by Coolcat (talk · contribs)

Inaproporate behaviour on articles not quite related

Trolling or not? You be the judge. Evidence is restricted to the start of the arb com hearing for the recent problems. --Cool Cat 18:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Davenbelle (talk · contribs):

  1. User:Cool Cat/d
  2. User:Cool Cat/d
  3. User:Cool Cat/d
  4. User:Cool Cat/d
  5. User:Cool Cat/d
    • Had not participated in any other non name space deletation votes. Coincidence? I don't think so!
  6. User:Cool Cat/d
  7. User:Cool Cat/d
  8. User:Cool Cat/d
  9. User:Cool Cat/d
  10. User:Cool Cat/d
    • User:Cool Cat/c
      • Reverting me reverting an annon. FROM MARCH!
        • Input is nececsary here regarding content. The decleration of Ataurk as an Atheist is original reseacrh.
        • The whole thing is based on what he said to a reporter in private (and that is translated in english).
        • Meanwhile he did attend mosques reqularly.
        • Also there was at least 2 uprisings by "religious" communities which are commonly referanced as "Islamist", one being the Menemen incident, another being the Sheih Said uprising.
        • It is equalt sane to argue that he was pissed off at Islamists. Furthermore, he could have been referancing his position as a president (seperation of state and goverment) rather than how he personaly feels about religion.
        • I do not think it is right to declare someone as "Atheist" based only on one discrete comment that MAY suggest this but does not necesarily have to. Regardless, an annon suggested the atheism idea and davenbelle simply kept on reverting me.
  11. User:Cool Cat/d
    • Realise he is editing someone elses comment, something he was whining about me doing (while I was fixing double redirect problem after my username change). Not that it matters, but its something he whines about.
  12. User:Cool Cat/d
    • Told user about this RfAr, I do not see what he is trying to prove.
  13. User:Cool Cat/d
    • No other categies for deletation vote.

Karl Meier (talk · contribs):

  1. User:Cool Cat/k

Fadix (talk · contribs):

  1. User:Cool Cat/f
    1. Only vote in an RFA as far as I can see.
    2. People like Coolcat are a threat to the integrity of Misplaced Pages
    3. Misplaced Pages:Assume_bad_faith ?

Stuff since 20 Sep 2005

I presented evidence and then commented on it in bullets. You are welcome to ingore the bullets.

  1. User:Cool Cat/d
    • He is complaining the silly on everything I do. If people posts something in my talk page, I will repond to it in both places and carry/sync everything mentioned to minimise confusion. A large number of users do this.
  2. User:Cool Cat/d
    • Umm he was reverting me (rather agressively) for this and now he is doing it. Not that I am annoyed or bugged (on the countrary saves me work) but...
    • The correct referance should have been to Misplaced Pages:Changing_username. Why I ask you is "Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Proposed decision" mentioned?
  3. User:Cool Cat/d
    • Complaining about fair use of images. Basicaly finding something to argue about, the article is on a FAC drive, most experienced wikipedia editors are reviewing the page.
    • Why is it necessary for Davenbelle to mess with issues on an article he had no edits prior to me and all he did was minor corrections. It really disrupts wikipedia when people just complain about "random policies" just to perhaps annoy me.
    • User is obsessed with my edits finding fault and motive from every single one he can. User is suffering severely from Assume bad faith.
  4. User:Cool Cat/d up to the starting line. ...it is probably delaying the chances of Turkey of entering the Europe Union as quickly as it wants to.
    • I do not think this person is neutral regarding issues with Turkey. I believe he has more extreme views than I do.
    • Alternatively he is posting random news paper articles several times which coincidentaly relate to Turkey.
    • I am not bother by him having views, but since this RfAr revolves around "POV" and "POV Pushing"...
  5. User:Cool Cat/f
    • ...Coolcat, you are a pathological liar and a manipulator. While this might be considered a personal attack... Fadix 16:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Although I concentrated my evidence strictly for stalking and perhaps prospective trolling this will be an exeption.


More indepth analysis

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Evidence/Coolcat

Evidence presented by Davenbelle (talk · contribs)

Please see: User:Davenbelle/Evidence re User:Coolcat moved: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Evidence/Davenbelle's Evidence re Coolcat from April; this is a raw document that I was preparing for the previous case User:Coolcat attempted to bring to ArbCom — I will be glad to paste it here if requested, however it is quite long...

Antiwar.com (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

User:Coolcat should not have brought this up; his conduct here was appalling.

See: Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Antiwar.com

User:Coolcat fails to understand that an article about an obviously POV website is still an appropriate subject for an NPOV article.

Some of the comments offered on the VfD:

  • Keep. This VfD is a prime example of Mr. Coolcat's lack of understanding of the NPOV policy. — Davenbelle 12:40, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Vandalism. This vandal marked the article "speedy delete" and mass-deleted wikilinks to it. Mirror Vax 13:41, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep: Evidence of nominator acting in bad faith. jglc | t | c 16:09, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Fine article, astonishingly bad behavior by nominator. -Willmcw 16:13, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - especially considering bad-faith actions of nominator. One does not delete every Wikilink to an article (thus creating gobs of work for other Wikipedians) until vote has been certified. Nominator needs to study the VFD process before nominating other articles. --FCYTravis 09:18, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

All for now; I'll be visiting Gili Air (Lombok#Gili Islands) soon, and don't expect to have net access.

— Davenbelle 08:08, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

p.s. stubbed-out Gili Trawangan, Gili Air, and Gili Meno. — Davenbelle 06:51, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Disrupting this evidence page

This evidence page has subpages. And in the interest of keeping track of them both for the present case and the historical record it will become I felt it appropriate to add a list of them to ease navigation. The first version of this was added in August and was unmolested for over three weeks. Then User:Cool Cat removed it with the edit summary "One of them is no longer a sub page. Second is a duplicate" — I restored it. And, of course, he removed it again (3 consecutive edits — ever running up that count). I restored it yet again, and he removed it yet again.

While it was tempting to see if he'd like to be listed for a 3RR violation on the evidence page, I did not restore it again. I still feel that such a listing is appropriate:

Subpages of this page

(Since moved to: User:Cool Cat/Wiki-politics — originally at: User:Coolcat/Wiki-politics)
(more evidence presented by User:Cool Cat)

 — Davenbelle 03:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

A Letter from The International Association of Genocide Scholars

Please see:

A Letter from The International Association of Genocide Scholars

— Davenbelle 08:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat edits other users' posts

See: and for examples where he edits AngryParsley's post to a poll of User:Cool Cat's about his future here. (He was quite persistant about editing AngryParsley's words, too). See my comments at: User talk:AngryParsley#User:Coolcat edited your post. There are, of course, many other examples. — Davenbelle 08:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

a possible earlier incarnation -- "User:Erginer"

Note these edits to Kurdistan Workers Party:

and this bit of vandalism to Kurdistan:

These edits are highly consistent with those of User:Cool Cat.

+ Terör → Kurdistan Workers Party

+ Pkk terör örgütü → Pkk (Later fixed to PKK and then to Kurdistan Workers Party by User:Cool Cat)

— Davenbelle 08:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Stereotek (talk · contribs)

Note: I now edit, using my real name Karl Meier (talk · contribs)

My response to Coolcat's claims regarding my edits in the abortion and the antiwar.com articles (copy/pasted from the RfC)

The abortion article:

Coolcats comments regarding my edits in the abortion article are simply not true. The conflict started when he replaced the previously well written prose in several sections with a unorganized collection of bullets. I started my work restoring the prose with this edit using the edit summary "see talk". I mentioned my concerns about his on the aticles talkpage , and the other editors that commented there mostly agreed with my concerns. However, Coolcat refused to discusse his edit, and didn't leave any messages on the talkpage. Coolcat's only response to the concerns that I raised on the articles talk page was a revert with the editsummary "sockpuppet edits..." .

The antiwar.com article:

In the 'Antiwar.com' Coolcats first action was to list the more than half a year old article for speedy deletion , and delete all the internal links pointing to that article. I removed the speedy deletion tag mentioned my concerns on the talk page and asked Coolcat to list the article on VfD instead


Recent PoV editing at Southeastern Anatolia Project:

Cool Cat has most recently been PoV editing at the Southeastern Anatolia Project article. He has moved some of the articles content...:

Completion of the Ilisu dam would cause the flooding of the ancient city of Hasankeyf whose history stretches back over 10,000 years.

Investigations by the Kurdish Human Rights Project (KHRP) claims that

widespread perception that the GAP project, and Ilisu in particular, is motivated primarily by a desire to destroy the Kurds as an ethnic group by destroying their most important cultural sites.

Between 50 and 68 hamlets and villages will be flooded affecting approximately 25,000 local people. An additional 57 villages will have their land partially flooded.

Many villages have been evacuated at gunpoint by the Turkish authorities, and in many cases houses have been burnt to the ground.

....to a new section called "Conspiracy". To claim that the above content is conspiracies is in my opinion a clear violation of NPoV, and Cool Cat has been reverting to insist on this change.

Evidence presented by Tony Sidaway

  • Work in progress. This is time consuming and I'm doing it in bits.
  • All times in UTC.
  • First impressions

4 Feb

  • 08:23
    • Kurdistan Workers Party: Adds the observation " Actual organisation changed many names but the people that make up the organisation remain the same" to notes on the history of Kurdish paramilitary and political groupings. Refactors some paragraphs to remove or tone down suggestions (which were presented as fact) of a Turkish campaign of extermination and forcible evacuation. Some odd removals (eg:reference to human rights reforms in Turkey " which its Kurdish population will largely benefit."

10 Feb

  • 10:43
    • Kurdistan Workers Party: Removes three external links. Adds note: "This article belongs to "Leftist terrorist organizations" category on wikipedia and is constantly being abused by supporters of this terorist organisation."
  • 10:52
    • Talk:Kurdish people: First logged-in edit on the talk page. Complains that his attempts to remedy perceived inaccuracies about PKK activities are being reverted

13 Feb

  • 18:13
    • Wikien-l: Nicholas Knight posts a warning note about Coolcat "running roughshod over Kurd-related articles (notably Kurdistan and Kurds) apparently unopposed."
  • 18:54
    • Talk:Kurdish people: Tony Sidaway details some problems with three edits by Coolcat and explains why he's reverting pending further discussion
  • 19:06
    • Talk: Kurdistan: Ton Sidaway details some problems with two relatively large-scale edits by Coolcat and explains why he's reverting pending further discussion
  • 19:25
    • Wikien-l: Tony Sidaway responds to Nicholas Knight, indicating general agreement and outlining my on-wiki response (to revert large-scale edits and invite discussion).
      • This was the first encounter between Coolcat and Tony Sidaway.
  • 19:30
    • User talk: Coolcat: Note by Tony Sidaway to Coolcat to draw his attention to the comments concerning the two talk pages

14 Feb

  • 01:46
    • User talk: Tony Sidaway: Note by Jayjg about the Turkey and Kurd-related articles on which Coolcat has been active.
  • 04:44
    • User talk:Jayjg: Response by Tony Sidaway, thanking him for the list of articles to watch, agreeing that some articles looked a mess, and "there is also Foreign relations of Turkey, parts of which look a mess, but it doesn't seem to be our friend's doing. ".

Evidence presented by Fadix

I don't have time to add evidences here. But I do have some that I kept from the other arbitration cases that was rejected here. They can be accessed here: User:Fadix/Evidence. There are many evidences out there, but I stopped collecting just after the other arbitration cases was rejected. I will try to bring others when I can. Fadix 20:28, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

All times UTC

March 15, 2005

  • 16:41, Mar 15, 2005
    • edits Armenian Genocide; justifies it as “grammer” edit, but changes the meaning by adding “Eastern” before the word Anatolia.

March 17, 2005

  • 15:35, Mar 17, 2005
    • edits Armenian Genocide; justifies it as “those are external links. There is a section for those, do not clutter the article with extra sections.” And dump books references as simple “sites(15:39) ” when obviously they should have had their section, in “resources.”
  • 22:26, Mar 17, 2005
    • edits Armenian Genocide; and again, more than ever POV pushing and deleting informations without justification other than "What Turkey nor Armania nor Academics say is irelevant compared to wikipedia policy." But I guess what he say is the only relevant thing here.
  • 22:59, Mar 17, 2005
    • edits Armenian Genocide; and again, more than ever POV pushing and deleting informations without justification, when I justified mines at the talk page..
  • 23:24, Mar 17, 2005
    • edits Armenian Genocide; and again, more than ever POV pushing and deleting informations without justification other than "If you ask for mediation you leave the articles version dispute for the mod to see. Revering wont give you a better case. let hims see this version first and then yours."

March 18, 2005

March 23, 2005

  • 05:15, 23 March 2005
    • edits Genocides in history; modify the reference regarding the Armenian Genocide. by attributing the deaths to armed conflict, disease and famine during the turmoil of World War One. And reducing the minima range of victims.

March 26, 2005

March 27, 2005

March 28, 2005

Examples of Coolcat POV pushing under the banner of grammar correction.

March 26, 2005

He made various insignificant minor changes, to hide his real purpouses(which is hijacking the Armenian genocide refference).

  • From 10:58 to 11:08, 26 March 2005
    • He makes 11 repeated edits at Genocides in history , , , , , , , , , , . In all those changes, Coolcat, hasn’t modified the content of the text within the article. After making all those edits, he end up, with what he wanted to get modified. . He adds the term disputed before the word massacres, for the category covering Turkey. Then, , modify, and add to his hijacking of March 23 ( ), also makes the reference to Greeks and Assyrian massacres in the Ottoman Empire invisible. But under pressure, he tries to revise himself a little bit.
  • From 07:46 to 08:02, 26 March 2005
    • He makes 10 repeated edits at Armenia, starting with those: , , , , , then, he makes his most important change, not related to the Armenian genocide, one would have thought that he is interested about the Armenians beyond his "genocide deletion" war. But he revert his change, by calling it bad edit. . He makes invisible, the Armenian progrom in Azerbaijan. . And finaly, he ends up doing what he was after; he hijack, the Armenian genocide section. , and finish it all, by a minor edit.

Examples of Coolcat getting rid of answers he don’t like by archiving them.

March 21, 2005

  • 02:56, 21 April 2005
    • archives Talk:Armenian Genocide; he dump my post made a day before his archiving, in that archive. And to make matter worst, that post in particular is about the last one in the list of those that were archived. Coolcat has tried to hide, my serious concerns over neutrality addressed to him, so that he does not answer it.

Coolcat attempt to discredit me by constant lobbying and mass defamation.

Joining Torque, with his baseless charges,

contacted User:BM. .

Contacted User:MacGyverMagic. .

Contacted User:Husnock. .

Contacted User:Mark. .

Contacted User:Silsor. .

Contacted User:Tony Sidaway. .

Contacted User:Carbonite. .

Contacted User:Jamesday. .

Contacted User:Tim Starling. .

Those are examples of how Coolcat lobbied finding any person to report. Of course, this excludes him contacted Torque, as well as others, I’ve stopped searching after I got ten people(Torque included). Hell knows how many others he contacted by IRC. Now, I ask the Arbcom, when have I done anything similar against Coolcat, I just relied to recognized bodies, like submitting a mediation request that was left unanswered.

But, this doesn’t end there. Coolcat in parallel to this, placed me at the bottom of his food chain, just above vandals etc. .

He even has a target list, which includes me and makes baseless charges which I will address later.

Coolcat is dishonest

…and frequently lies about many issues, in a point that I can’t trust him anymore.

  • Coolcat, repeatedly claimed that he didn’t know much about the Armenian Genocide. Example: , and this after he made those edits on the main article, the same day , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . Various of those edits are basically adding of claims which are unsourced and plainly propaganda. Coming from the one claiming not having a knowledge about the question.
    • Less than a month later that day, Coolcat claimed to have lied when he claimed not knowing the subject. .
    • Coolcat has been also dishonest about himself. After claiming defending his Ottoman Turkish ancestors , he repeatedly lied about himself and his intentions.
    • He also, lied repeatedly, claiming that I have accused Tony of revisionism. When I brought those issues, Coolcat archived my concerns a day later. . I will try bringing other examples, of Coolcat lying on members faces repeatedly and he’s being dishonest. I will stop for today.

Evidence presented by Phroziac

Note: I've never done this before, I think i did it right, just fix it if I screwed something up

  • According to edit counter, Stereotek made less then 1/20 of his edits on article talk pages. This suggests that he does not communicate often.

15 June

1 September

4 September

10 September

11 September

  • 02:28
  • 09:04
  • 09:28
  • 09:29
  • 09:33
  • 09:44
  • 13:54
  • 14:52
    • Karl Meier contacted me on IRC to appeal the block, stating that he actually did not make four reverts. I looked again and he did not, and I unblocked him after he said he would play nice and not revert it again. I do not have a log of this.

12 September

  • 12:08
    • User talk:Cool Cat: Davenbelle adds another of a long series of apparently useless, comments.
  • 18:11
    • Kurdish people: Karl Meier insists on keeping unsourced stats in article, edit war ensues.
  • 18:47
  • 18:54
    • Kurdish people: Karl Meier reverts Cool Cat, and mentions his concerns regarding Cool Cat's edits on the talk page.
  • 21:17
  • 21:29
    • Kurdish people: Karl Meier's third and final revert, asks Cool Cat to stop revert warring in an edit summary, while revert warring.
  • 21:40

16 September

  • 03:29
    • User talk:Cool Cat: Davenbelle tells Cool Cat off for copying talk messages to Davenbelle's user talk for the purposes of preventing broken threads .

17 September

  • 11:41
    • User talk:Cool Cat: Davenbelle tells Cool Cat to excersize more care in renaming his account.

18 September

19 September

20 September

24 September

27 September