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| :Agree with Paranormal Skeptic and MCB, no need to change username. I don't think the user needs to indicate that he is not Thaksin Shinawatra, unless other users get confused. -] (]) 05:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC) | :Agree with Paranormal Skeptic and MCB, no need to change username. I don't think the user needs to indicate that he is not Thaksin Shinawatra, unless other users get confused. -] (]) 05:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
| ::Agreed - if there is future confusion, then a disclaimer may be needed. At the moment, it's not necessary. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 13:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC) | ::Agreed - if there is future confusion, then a disclaimer may be needed. At the moment, it's not necessary. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 13:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
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| '''Blocked (see end).''' ] (]) 06:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :Has been at AN/I; this is the best forum for this. A little too in-your-face? Some think so, even if there's nothing in it that could otherwise violate the policy. ] (]) 04:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::The policy violation comes in its disruptiveness, regardless of intent. With the myriad possibilities available, there's no reason that a user name that includes "death threats", even if it is not intended to be disruptive by the user, needs to be allowed. <b><i>]</i> <sup>] / ]</sup></b> 04:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm usually quite lenient when it comes to usernames, I really am - but after looking at the userpage and then staring at the username, I've come to the conclusion that it can be quite disharmonious for editing. I can't foresee all of the possible ramifications, but I think many editors would be mystified, and even a little concerned. Obviously they are if it's been brought to ANI. The name should be changed. There are other ways to achieve anonymity on wikipedia. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 04:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :This seems quite the opposite of anonymity. If he wanted to ] as one identity and emerge as another in any attempt to be subtle, he would have come up with something else. It seems to be an attempt to make a ] or gain some kind of leverage. ''']]''' 04:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::That was what I was trying to get across at AN/I, but since well, I haven't been sleeping very well, I wasn't very good in getting my opinion across. Either way, concurrent with this user's behavior, and with the arguments made here and at AN/I, a change in username would be advisable.— ''']]<sup> ]</sup> /<sub>]</sub>''' 04:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Suggest a rename. This is really skirting the policy on offensive/disruptive usernames. Perhaps the policy should be rewritten. The problem here is that viewing the username pretty much automatically causes one to interpret the ''contributor'' rather than the ''content'' - and to that extent it is disruptive to the editing process. Moreover, the choice of name seems to be deliberately provocative, as evidenced by the user's defense at AN/I on the grounds of (paraphrased) "have you ever received a death threat?" - which seems to invoke ]. The somewhat combative stance the user adopted there does not bode well. All-in-all, it would seem best that the user rename the account to avoid further drama. Put it another way - what is the ''benefit'' of continuing with your current username? ] (]) 04:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::He uses it as such on atleast one occasion , and I can't for the life of me figure out why. ''']]''' 04:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I'm really failing to see the rationale behind choosing this name and then constantly making comments in reference towards it. It's clearly disruptive, if only for the fact that the user can't react with good faith as per above. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 04:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::In the context of the diff Grsz points to, it seems from the various edit histories that perhaps admin deletion or oversight has come into play - otherwise it is inexplicable. Much more than a year ago, nevertheless, using your own user name to make a suggestion is never good. ] (]) 04:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::My thoughts, as the nominator: I can see two problems with it. One, this might (and I know this is counter to the usual argument) encourage people to be ''too'' gentle dealing with this user. It comes across as "don't mess with me", rather standoffish and discouraging of collaboration. And intentionally so. Sort of like ] (and note the user's rather similar obsession with his own death threats received, and the way he keeps bringing that up in the AN/I thread). Second, per ] this could have entirely the opposite effect of ''encouraging'' death threats. Can you imagine being some hyped-up teenage vandal and seeing a warning on your IP talk page, or just seeing that your oh-so-clever additions of "poop" to an article have been reverted, by a user with this username? You can bet vandals who wouldn't otherwise attack a user who did that would take the time to make a death threat on the talk page ... a death threat that would require us to let the ISP or school know had been made as soon as possible, creating work for us. This would be the first time I would argue that a username ''itself'' violates ], or at least that it's certainly ]. If the goal is to be some sort of vandal magnet ... well, in the never-ending series, "]" I unveil the latest installment: Misplaced Pages is not a sting operation. | |||
| ::If this is a user who previously vanished and has now decided to reappear, I don't see why s/he couldn't have just created any username and edited away. Unless ], and we all know where that leads. ] (]) 04:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Nice analysis. <b><i>]</i> <sup>] / ]</sup></b> 04:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes, very good. ''']]''' 05:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *], ] username, suggest a rename. ] <sup>]</sup> 05:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *I cannot see anything positive coming from letting this user keep this name, it (and his contributions and rancor over being questioned) all seem to be making a ], which doesn't bode well. ] (]) 06:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *A review of the user page history and this user's contributions (including a reference to an Administrator) reveal an intention to cause disruption. Rename. ] (]) 06:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| After reading through this entire thread, and its predecessor at ], I have blocked ] for violation of the ]. While the patience of the community and its admins is great, it is not infinite, and the degree to which we have been subjected to trolling and irrelevance in this case is already too great. In addition to this thread, a number of IRDT's other edits have been problematic, including his user page, and his explanations for them constructed in a way that does not contribute to the project. However, it's just a username softblock, and if he wants to come back with a new account and be a good editor, that's OK, at least with me. --] (]) 06:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| '''User blocked by ]''' ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 01:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :Violation of username policy (has the word "Admin" and therfore possibly misleading. User has been warned, and no response given. ] (]) 21:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Yes, it is misleading - the user was notified, but continued editing. I feel that such a clear use of the string/prefix "ADMIN" without any additional syntax can definitely imply Wiki-authority. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 21:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I have left a message on the user's talk page notifying them of this discussion. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 21:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Obvious violation here, a clear implication of authority. - '''] (])''' 00:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Looks like the user only has two edits, both of which are from the 26th and to deleted pages (which means admin-only, sorry folks). This looks like ] material to me. So I'm just gonna' go softblock the username. Cheers. <font color="green">]</font>] 00:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I support your block of the username. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 01:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| '''No action taken. Consensus seems to point to non-issue with regard to spamming/promotion''' ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 04:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :Promotional Username, SPA editing only a single article ], also possible meatpuppet account ] (]) 18:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I don't see this username as a problem. SPA accounts are discouraged, but are not violations of ], especially since I don't get a feeling that the account is spamming. There is no proof of a meatpuppet account. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 19:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *SPA != promotional. Company name != promotional. COI != promotional. When are we going to (collectively) get it in our heads, that "having the same name as" != "promotional of" ?? I don't mean to snap at the OP, so please don't take it as such, but it seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to report these sorts of names as promotional when the account ''isn't doing any promotion''. Is ] spamming Misplaced Pages in an attempt to drum up some sales? Are they trying to use our bandwidth as free advertising? Are they harming the encyclopedia? '''No'''? Then what's the issue? ]<b><font color="#6060BF">]</font></b> 19:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :On the contrary, the User name ''Metroprep'' is only editing the article stated, and once the it was mentioned to the user that Role accounts are not permissible, changed the story from "We are editing" to "I am editing". I think this a bit suspicious. ] (]) 19:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well a role account is a role account and should be blocked accordingly, and if that's the case you should have brought up that concern rather than just calling it "promotional" ... ]<b><font color="#6060BF">]</font></b> 19:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I kind of figured that came under ''meatpuppetry'' (One person editing on behalf of a group). My apologies. ] (]) 19:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::The only relevant question is "is this a username concern". Given the nature of the edits, it is not. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 19:50, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Agree with the others. This is a COI issue more than a username issue. Recommend you report it on ] instead. Also, this user has not been notified of this discussion. <s>This is required.</s> (self-edit: I'm not actually finding the rule where this is required) -] (]) 20:08, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::A note about the RFCN filing isn't required, but some kind of discussion is. The OP did use the {{tl|uw-username}} as suggested. However, in that vein, the instructions here state "Do not list a user here unless they have refused to change their username or have continued to edit without reply". The user in question in fact indicated they might be willing to change their user name on their talk page but has not been responded to. ]<b><font color="#6060BF">]</font></b> 20:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I have notified the user on their talk page. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 20:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hello. The only reason I signed up as Metroprep is because this is my first time submitting an article to Misplaced Pages, and it will likely be the only article I submit. I never realized this was looked down upon. I also said "we" out of error. I'm most definitely the only person using this account. Thank you for your comments. ] (]) 20:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Ok, so we have a user who hasn't spammed and declares they are not using a role account. They also have not edited since. I am going to assume good faith here. Does anybody object to this discussion being archived? ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 21:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| '''No action'''; There is rough consensus that the username isn't offensive ''on its face'', and given that no trolling has taken place in COS-related articles there is no justification for further action. — ] <sup>]</sup> 12:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :it may be ], and while I'm not a fan of Scientology, ], ], and ] would be blocked due to being equally problematic. --]<small><sup>\ ] /</sup></small> 20:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :see, that's where I think you are wrong. Scientology do not openly accept the existence of "]", whilst Christianity and the other religions, do. "]" is not a "God" to scientologists, either. <font color="Blue">Message</font> <font color="green">from</font> <font color="red"><b>XENU</b></font><font color="gold"><sup>], ]</sup></font> 20:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Administrators should take a look at the ] page, and note that "Members of the Church of Scientology widely deny or try to hide the Xenu story.", before coming to a conclusion. <font color="Blue">Message</font> <font color="green">from</font> <font color="red"><b>XENU</b></font><font color="gold"><sup>], ]</sup></font> 20:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::From the article, "The Church avoids making mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality...." Now, as much as I think that's not "right," when it comes to editing, I think that a username like ] would, given that statement, likely be much more inflammatory than harmonious to editing. --]<small><sup>\ ] /</sup></small> 20:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, I've had an account for about a month, and nobody has complained the username was not "harmonious to editing". I really don't see the problem with it. <font color="Blue">Message</font> <font color="green">from</font> <font color="red"><b>XENU</b></font><font color="gold"><sup>], ]</sup></font> 20:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Doesn't strike me as being particularly problematic. Nothing in the contribution history to suggest the user intends to seriously imply s/he is or has a "message from Xenu". The off chance that one or two folks ''might'' find it offensive is not a compelling reason to me to force a name change. For the record, I personally would not have a problem with a hypothetical ] either, so long as they weren't being disruptive about it. My sense here is to '''allow''' the user name. ]<b><font color="#6060BF">]</font></b> 21:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Clearly a problematic username, even if it did get by under the radar for a month (not the best defense, quite frankly). I don't know much about that religion, but picking a significant entity from any religion and prefacing it with "Message from..." seems more disruptive than creative. The account should be given the opportunity to select another username; if he or she chooses to not avail themselves of the opportunity, they should be blocked. ]] 21:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *I agree with J. While no one has complained yet, that does not mean they have not been offended. I see that you are active in vandal patrol and newbies might not know our policies or even how to complain. If all you were doing was editing articles on Disney movies or your favorite X-men character I would probably lean towards being OK with it, but with that type of exposure you get with vandal patrol I think it is best to change it. <b>]<sup>] or ]</sup></b> 21:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *I don't find anything particularly offensive about the name, and I kinda' doubt many people would. However, chances are pretty good that if the Church of Scientology finds out about this, Message, you're gonna' be getting hell for it from them. So I highly suggest you voluntarily change your name before you get noticed. Cheers. <font color="green">]</font>] 22:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *I have to echo much of the above. In practice we don't conventionally block usernames that mention Jesus, God or any other figurehead that is important to the Abrahamic faiths. I see nothing offensive about this whatsoever. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 22:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::You mean like ], ], ], ], ], ], or ]? Because they were all blocked for being disruptive religious usernames... ]] 22:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Small thing, but ] was actually blocked as a sockpuppet. Cheers. <font color="green">]</font>] 22:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::: :) ]] 23:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Not to mention . -] (]) 22:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Allow me to qualify my statement, we ''shouldn't'' be blocking such names. In fact, I have a major problem with administrators that hardblock usernames simply because they mention a religious/spiritual figure. The practice, while not all that prolific or rampant, seriously needs to stop. I will reiterate though, it isn't conventional, and I see absolutely no problem with this particular username. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 02:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Wisdom89, if you couldn't tell by the usernames I listed above, the blocking of disruptive religious usernames ''is'' by precedent and convention. The username policy specifically states that usernames which are disruptive or offensive can and should be blocked. For this person to have picked the name of an entity or force which a religion considers to be some sort of evil is clearly disruptive, intentionally or otherwise. Your opinion here doesn't override years of precedent for disallowing disruptive religious usernames. ]] 03:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::The usernames you listed above are vastly different than the one we are discussing here. If the username is meant/intended to be offensive (God does not exist or some other variation etc.), then it's likely a blockable offense. Simply mentioning venerable names is not. If you feel it is, I suggest we all grow thicker skin. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 04:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::The others, e.g "Satan" or "MyLordJesus", you mentioned absolutely should not have been blocked, and it's a rather poor precedent to set. Regardless, that's not really the point. This reminds me of ], but in a different incarnation. Policies are descriptive, not prescriptive. Just because those names were erroneously blocked does not mean this one should be as well. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 04:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::There is no such precedent. So you found some examples of names that were blocked (for what I consider quite flimsy reasons). But your data collection is just a bit one-sided -- how about all the religious names that weren't blocked? Besides that, blocking names for religious reasons is a bad idea. It enables people to say "I don't like your religion (or lack of it), so I'm going to get you blocked on UAA". ] / ] 06:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| No significant username concern on my part, and my thinking is along the same lines as ]'s above. It does not strike me as disruptive, and while there may be a few people who might take offense, that's true for a lot of names. It's clearly different from something like ] or whatever. --] (]) 04:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Exactly, there's no negative connotation whatsoever. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 05:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::No negative connotation whatsoever? That's entirely your opinion, but I think somebody of that faith would feel quite differently. Based on the editor's comments above, it regrettably seems as though that was, in fact, their intention: to pick a username which practicers of that faith would feel uncomfortable with (due to their apparent lack of public acknowledgement of this "entity"). This ] is no different from a wouldbe ]. The former should not be allowed, and I have no doubt the latter would not be. ]] 05:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Er, I wouldn't disallow ], either, unless it was used in a disruptive manner. It does not ridicule or disparage Christians, and is merely the name of a mythical figure with various cultural connotations. --] (]) 05:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Don't block''' anyone just because some religion or cult would take issue with their username. The list of names that would offend someone with some belief system is ginormous, so you couldn't reliably enforce such a rule if it existed. Instead, it would be selectively enforced (and it has, unfortunately, several times in the past). This means that anyone can boot a user professing an ideology they disagree with by shouting "I'm offended!" at UAA. We should ''not'' allow ourselves to be used as a tool in religious battles. ] / ] 07:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::We were "used" as a "tool" the second ] created his username. Based on what he's said above, it looks like he selected this specific username with a complete understanding that it could or would be inflammatory to a particular group of people. The difference isn't that this is a username with a incidental, innocent, or casual reference to mythology or religion; it is a username that specifically invokes (and based on the account's comments above, it appears to have been ''intended'' to invoke) a controversial and sinister "entity" that this group of people apparently find reprehensible. ]] 07:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::'''Wrong''': Misplaced Pages wasn't "used" as a "tool". I just wanted to create a user account, and I noted that my original choices were already chosen. I got this username from my imagination, on the most part. <font color="Blue">Message</font> <font color="green">from</font> <font color="red"><b>XENU</b></font><font color="gold"><sup>], ]</sup></font> 19:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Don't Block''' Regardless of the precedent in the past, no user thus far has complained about the edits made by the user in question, the user is contributing to WP. Would we block "Message from The Flying Spaghetti Monster" because it would offend Fundamentalist Christians? The Church of Scientology claims it's fiction (The Whole Xenu story), and "Not Recognizable" (From the mouth of the PR rep for the Church). So, it's completely denied by them, therefore not a religious figure, therefore can't be offensive to them. Blocking based the use of a religious figure is a moot point anyways, if one were to read anything contrary to their religious views, they would be offended (To include my FSM example). So, it's not policy to block user names like this, but purely precedent, and a bad one at that. ] (]) 13:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think your comment, quite frankly, is about as ridiculous as they come. "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" is not an evil spiritual being in any religion, as far as I know. According to the article on ], their religion does not usually discuss the matter with outsiders, that doesn't mean they consider it to be fictional. ]] 13:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Let me re-iterate, the PR REP (Tommy Davis) stated in regards to Xenu on CNN, "That just sounds silly. Does it sound silly to you?" Not much of a point when official PR for the church states it's silly, rather than offensive. And the FSM is the antithesis to "Intelligent Design" and therefore according to many Judeo Christian theist offensive. So, regardless of what WP's article states about Xenu, the Church of Scientology has stated that the Xenu story is "silly" not offensive. ] (]) 13:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I'm sorry. According to the article, many followers of Scientology believe "]" is some sort of evil spiritual being. The creator of the username appears to have been aware of that fact, and appears to have chosen the username specifically to exploit the lack of transparency from Scientology on the matter. Now, you believe that, as best as I can tell, that the existence of a religious parody "]", eliminates the ]'s non-offensive, non-disruptive requirement because someone could create ]. A parody username of a parody religion is not what we're talking about here. ]] 14:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No, you're re-arranging my argument. The username can't possibly be considered when the followers in questions have deemed it "silly" not offensive. And no, I am not arguing the "No Offensive Username" policy, I am arguing the precedent set by deeming usernames with religious figures as offensive, by default. Have user's complained about it being offensive? How many users? Seems the only complaint is not due it being offensive, but based on a '''precedent''' and not on a '''policy''' it should be banned outright.] (]) 14:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Doesn't really seem to be a problem here. Per ], there is no evidence shown that this name will cause disruption to the Misplaced Pages population at large, as it is neither promoting nor denigrating a particular belief or religion. ] (]) 14:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *I don't see an issue here. If the editor was trolling Scientology-related articles with this kind of username, I'd be more concerned, but I don't see that occurring. ] <small>]</small> 16:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *I think Wisdom89 has said pretty much everything I'm about to say but here come my 2 cents anyways. If the name is not specifically intended to be offensive, then we shouldn't worry too much about who gets offended. There are immeasurably more followers of Islam in this world who would and do take offense to the images of ] on this site (as evidenced by the template warnings on ] and the numerous discussions at ]) yet those images will not be removed because their benefit to the project outweighs the hurt feelings of those complaining about them. Similarly, ] gives some insight into why certain sects of Christianity consider the ] as a metaphor for Satan or evil in general. There are a few users on ] with the word ''wolf'' contained in their username which could, potentially, be seen as offensive to the religious beliefs of certain Christians but whose names are not disallowed because the intent to offend wasn't a factor in choosing that username. The most prolific non-bot editor on the entire Misplaced Pages is ] who professes his sexual orientation within his username. There are countless religions and their offshoots whose followers are likely more than slightly offened by his username. This username was also not chosen with the intent to offend. Bottom line is this: there may be many, many possibilities why an editor chose a reference to Xenu in their username and most of those reasons are not meant to offend. This editor might just be a fan of L. Ron Hubbard works of fiction or he could be a fan of the Scottish band ''The Truth Rockets'' whose most famous song is called . If we go out and look for reasons why someone might be offended by a username, we will inevitably find a reason. In this case, I'm unconvinced that there is a good reason to block/disallow/force to rename. I say leave him be. ] <small>(] • ])</small> 16:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Don't Block''' According to ], ''Offensive usernames make harmonious editing difficult or impossible''. I don't see how this user name could possibly make editing difficult or impossible. Additionally, since the scientologists have disclaimed it, banning it would lead to the principle, ''Ban usernames that we think other people may find offensive, regardless of what they themselves say'', which just seems ridiculous. ] (]) 16:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Doesn't strike me as offensive - it's neither derisory nor blasphemous. ] 17:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| '''VoA-blocked.''' That is all. ] 00:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Pretty obvious ] vio here. I don't see how it could be construed to be even remotely non-promotional. Also, ]. This should probably go to ]. - '''] (])''' 00:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :It contains the "Admin" string, which makes it unsuitable for Misplaced Pages, and it created a page, ], which was quickly speedied, so violates promotional clause too . No further contribs. My username query has been in place on their talk page for over a week without response. I don't like ] newcomers, and they are doing no harm at present, but technically they are in violation of policy. Time for ] now, or leave it until they edit again without responding? <strong>]]</strong> 23:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::I wouldn't worry too much about this name. They have no contributions beyond what was speedied. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 01:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Further review may be warranted pending further edits. We'll see. —<strong>]</strong>] 15:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I disagree that ''all'' names containing "Admin" are unsuitable, only where there is potential for confusion--this name seems to claim that they are an admin on Sunshine Riot, not at WP. And to take an extreme example, ]. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>] 02:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Under , the policy states: ''"Your username should not give the impression that your account has permissions which it does not have. Thus it should not contain the terms "administrator", "bureaucrat", "steward", "checkuser", "oversight", "developer" or similar terms like "admin", "sysop" or "moderator", or end with "bot", which is used to identify bot accounts."'' Seems pretty clear to me, and this name seems very likely to create the impression that the user is an admin. ] (]) 02:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Yes, now that the user has continued to edit, and another editor has inquired about the name, this discussion should remain open. They should also be notified of this RfC. As it stands, if they refuse to change it, I'm afraid that the name isn't suitable any longer as it definitely can imply authority on Misplaced Pages. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 03:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Agree with Wisdom: new editors would think that admins have a tag in their username, mistaking Sunshineriot for one. · ] <sup>]</sup> 11:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Notified user about this discussion on their talk page. <strong>]]</strong> 15:18, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :This is a clear cut violation, we don't allow usernames with the word admin in them. ] 15:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::That was my understanding of policy, hence my original question - I just wanted to know ''at what point'' it would be fair to list it at UAA. If the user doesn't respond to the notification of this discussion within a reasonable time, I guess I'll just go ahead and do it anyway. <strong>]]</strong> 17:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::The quote above says "should not," rather than "may not." Should ] be asked to change ter name as well? If we really didn't allow that ''at all,'' wouldn't it be on the username blacklist with "fuck," etc.? Also, the user has no nondeleted contributions, making this entire discussion somewhat superfluous. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>] 18:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::The problem is technically not that it contains the string "admin", it's that it contains the string "admin" ''and it's easily interpreted to mean "Admin" or "Administrator"''. I doubt any who looks at "Badmintonhist" will think it means "B Admin Tonhist" or whatever. -] (]) 19:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Okay, check out my suggestion at ]. If that's accepted, I will drop my objections to citing this username as a violation. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>] 16:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I've checked it out, it seems good (I've commented there). I don't know if you need to wait for a change from "should not" to "must not", because "should not" is sort of open to interpretation. -] (]) 19:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *If the user begins editing again, they should be asked to change their name. In fact we had a far more borderline case here "Adminster" which also resulted in a request for the user to change their name. –<font face="Verdana">] (])</font> 19:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Matchups, do you not think this is already obvious, as explained above? Nobody's going to see the username "BadmintoFan" and think that person's an admin, simply because that string of letters is in the name. SunshineriotAdmin should have been usernameblocked a long time ago as a clear violation; they can pick a new name if they return. ] (]) 16:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| This may well be a good faith username, but it is still a clear violation, and should be usernameblocked unless the user is prepared to change his name immediately. --<font color="Red">]</font><sup><font color="Black">]</font></sup> 21:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I don't get why there's a discussion. The name implied the person is an admin, when they aren't. Should usernameblock and pick a new name if they wish. --] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 19:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::This is ridiculous. The user had 3 edits to his name: all inappropriate page creations, all deleted. I've usernameblocked him as should have been done immediately. If he wants to return and edit usefully, which looks doubtful at this point anyway, he can easily pick a new user name. ] (]) 20:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Close template added. Please remember to do this if you intend to bring finality to discussions in future. —<strong>]</strong>] 11:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :An Wiki Admin seems to think that the username isn't promotional which the username is clearly inappropriate promotional username which is a violation, since it seems that editor could work for ARN (]) which owns a number of stations branded as Mix. Some of those who may think the the user name is ok it's not as net stands for network (IE: Mix Network ARN) ] (]) 15:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::I am the administrator referred to above. It is my opinion that the user name is not promotional - the username policy does not forbid the user of company/organization names as a user name. The user's edit pattern is indicative of potential conflict of interest issues, but are not overtly promotional or spammy. Lastly, the editor has been semi-active and making edits for over 4 months without a complaint regarding either spamming or username issues. I don't see how an account making largely constructive edits for 4 months without complaint is suddenly a username issues that needs blocking. ]<b><font color="#6060BF">]</font></b> 15:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Seconded that this is not UAA material. No opinion on whether or not a name-change is necessary yet. Cheers. <font color="green">]</font>] 15:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I wonder what is? Clearly spamming. Just becuase the account has been missed in the last four months means that we don't take action. ] (]) 15:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I wouldn't call that spamming. The user just added the radio station's schedule. It may not be notable enough for inclusion, but it's not ]. -] (]) 17:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| This discussion should first be attempted with the user. I see nothing on their talk page that anyone has raised any concerns with them. Please read the last bullet point and the paragraph that follows in the instructions above. <b>]<sup>] or ]</sup></b> 17:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| This is a ] issue moreso than a username violation. The diff provided above does not convince me that the user's intent is to spam. There is no restriction that a user cannot pick a company/entity name for their alias, as long as it isn't being used maliciously (with the intent to spam or advertise in this case). Besides, the user should have been asked to change their name before creating this request. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 18:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :The user was given a COI warning twice (April 2008 and August 2008) and I'll guarantee you that even if the user is requested to change their name that they will continue to edit without changing their user name. Many others who have done the same as this user have been blocked in the past. ] (]) 02:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: The August one is from you yesterday. So you took the time to warn them about COI but not to tell them you have a beef with their user name? There will be no action taken on this RFC without the user being given the chance to comment and make a voluntary change if needed. This should be closed until the proper process is utilized. <b>]<sup>] or ]</sup></b> 17:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Ok, yeah, this user should probably change usernames. Actually, I feel the reverse from Wisdom: in this case, while there is a conflict of interest, it seems that the edits the user is actually making are all reasonable: they are making uncontroversial changes to existing articles only. But the username is a problem... I don't think it's ''too'' promotional, but it does have all the other problems: it suggests a role account, and it sounds like an official representative account. However, that said, I say '''allow'''. This listing is inappropriate because the problem hasn't been discussed with the user at all. They deserve a fair chance to be told about the problem and to address it. ]]<sup>]</sup> 05:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I concur with the direct above. A username change should be strongly encouraged here, to prevent these COI concerns from growing. —<strong>]</strong>] 15:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :The user should choose a less promotional name, not just encouraged but required. ] 15:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The discussion seems to have stalled, so I motion that it be archived. If the user starts to edit again, and they are either opposed to a name change or just unresponsive to the comments on his/her talk page, then the issue can then be raised again. Sound ok? -] (]) 04:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed, it's been two weeks since the last time the user edited. If it continues in the same vein, this can be reopened or a block administered. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 05:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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I am an editor under the wikipedia username "Thaksin". However, there is comment on my username that is in repetitive with Mr. Thaksin Shinawatra, the former prime minister of Thailand. The comment also doubt whether my username is in conflict with the wikipedia's policy on username.
I may suggest that the word "Thaksin" is a common word in Thai language, which has 2 meanings. According to the Official Thai Dictonary of 1999 compiled by the Royal Institute of Thailand, the word can mean "the south direction" or "southern". The other meaning is "the right hand side." Nevertheless the word "Thaksin" is the first name of many Thai people; It is very common in Thailand to find a person with his first name of "Thaksin". The word "Thaksin" is also a prefix in Thai language: you can add Thaksin- in front of certian words to make new words.
Please notice that using the word "Thaksin" alone (without his surname) did not resemble such person. If there exist a wikipedia user under the name of "Shinawatra", such action actually resemble such person and also his family. I deny the doubt on the ground that I use the name with good faith, as you can see in my edit history (contribution page). There is no political conviction to be found there, you can found only economics contents however contained a little relatedness with politic and/or political situation in Thailand. No intention to defame nor exaggerate such person nor provoke misleading to anyone, as I edit only on economic issues.
I don't think that using of the name will result in the breach of the username policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaksin (talk • contribs) 19:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think this could be easily rectified if the user simply indicates on his/her userpage that they are not said real person - this should alleviate any concerns. Wisdom89 (T / ) 21:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Given the above, I can't see this as being a "disruptive" username... It would be like User:Joe coming up because of Joe Biden. We wouldn't ask Joe to even add a statement of disambiguation to his page. Paranormal Skeptic (talk) 00:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- No username concern. Thaksin is a word in Thai, and a given name. I can't imagine any reasonable confusion with the notable figure. Paranormal Skeptic's "Joe" example is a good analogy. --MCB (talk) 04:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- Agree with Paranormal Skeptic and MCB, no need to change username. I don't think the user needs to indicate that he is not Thaksin Shinawatra, unless other users get confused. -kotra (talk) 05:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed - if there is future confusion, then a disclaimer may be needed. At the moment, it's not necessary. Wisdom89 (T / ) 13:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)