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Welcome, correspondents I periodically do recent changes patrolling. If I reverted your edits, there's a large likelihood I did so for one or more of the following reasons:

1. No edit summary, especially for a removal. I can't read your mind. If you removed content that was a copyvio or an ad, you can either tell everyone by including an accurate edit summary, or not. If you don't, you stand a higher chance of getting reverted, because I have yet to meet any other recent changes patroller who can read minds, either.
2. No sourcing, especially for a controversial change. I don't normally revert non-outlandish changes unless I have personal knowledge that the original was more reasonable, but if you are going to make a change to a biography, the burden is on you to source it, especially if you want to assert that the existing article was radically incorrect with regard to any protected class.

If you include a good source and a good edit summary, odds of me reverting you are quite small indeed. If you still have questions about why I made a particular reversion, don't hesitate to start a new topic at the bottom of the page and ask why: I am always willing to explain my reasoning. Jclemens (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Veronica Mars

Hi there. I fininshed the Veronica Mars page, but it still needs a copyedit. I was wondering if you would be interested, or if not, could you direct me to someone who could? Thanks, Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 04:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be happy to look at it and provide comments. I may not get to it this evening, however, because of prior committments. Jclemens (talk) 05:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. Most of the article is okay, I think the section that needs most work is the "Season synopses" section. I haven't changed much, and I fear it has some POV in it. Let's start with that, thanks. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 02:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

For the "date" section in the refs, I wrote them like this: September 19, 2008 instead of 08-9-19, mainly because the new MoS does not require dates to be linked. How do you think we should go about it? I prefer September 19, 2008 for the "date" section, and 08-9-19 for the "accessdate" section. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 03:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I've always used them as yyyy-mm-dd both places, because it will autolink like that. I got reamed for that in my first run at GA, and have always just done it that way ever since. Jclemens (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I suggest we leave them as "September 19, 2008", and change them if the GA reviewer tells us to. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 03:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep. If you've been monitoring my changes, I stopped doing those once I saw your note. Jclemens (talk) 03:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok thanks. :-) Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 03:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks so much on the work so far, I can already see mass improvement. :-) Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 03:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I have started a new format of the cast and characters section on my sandbox, although it is just a draft. Which do you think works better? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 04:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the sandbox version better, but am concerned that it might be encroaching too much on the subject of List of Veronica Mars characters. At what point should the entire list be simply merged back into the show's article? I think we're agrees that that's not a good idea, but where do you think the line should be drawn? Jclemens (talk) 04:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the sandbox version better too. Well I'm not sure what you are trying to say (lol), but I think that all the series regulars should be on the main page, and all the others just left on the "List of" page, along with the series regulars. Does that answer your question? And as for Lilly's casting info, where should we put that? If we use the new format, there will be no place left for it. I have already place it on the Lilly Kane page, I think that's good enough. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 08:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't like the sandbox version better. I previewed it with the main VM page, and it didn't really good that good. Thoughts? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 14:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you think leaving it as-is will prevent GA? If so, we can always wait for the reviewer (eventually) to tell us what s/he thinks is appropriate. Jclemens (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I modelled the cast and characters section after Lost, which is a(n) FA, so I don't think that will be a problem. I merely wanted to see if there was a better way to present the information, so I guess it is good as-is. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 02:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey hey, looks like we're getting close! Jclemens (talk) 06:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, good job! So what do you think we should do after it passes GA? Do you want to pursue an FAC? If your answer is yes, I think we should get another user to copyedit the article again, an then ask for a peer review. Thoughts? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 06:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm game, but I've never been to FAC before. I'm somewhat intimidated by the reputation it's gathered, but I've got to tackle it sometime... :-) Jclemens (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Lol. Um, well most of the FAC reviewers are "prose crazy". They usually can find errors where there aren't any, so that is why I suggested another copyedit. Do you know a user who would be willing to help? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 06:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. We could go straight to Peer Review and see if we can pick up someone there. I do know a couple of folks who've done FA work, but I don't know who really likes to work on pop culture stuff like VM. Jclemens (talk) 06:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

(restart indent) Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I think the best person to copyedit the article is someone who has seen it, and when you look at the ratings of the show, I think that person is going to be hard to find. ;) When do you want to start the peer review? Straight after the GA or a few days later? Makes no difference to me. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 07:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, I never saw it broadcast (I have the DVDs) so there may be more like me. Let's start peer review as soon as GA is attained. Jclemens (talk) 07:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 07:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

We're passed GA, peer review initiated! :-) Jclemens (talk) 02:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Let's just hope everything goes smoothly. I'm going to go and ask a few editors to review the article, maybe you know a few editors? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 05:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, will do. 05:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Two editors with FAC experience ping'ed, one resultant edit. Better than nothing, but I suspect that many of the people who are comfortable working on FA material are already either sufficiently busy or inactive. Jclemens (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, well the response has been slow. I'll try a few other users. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 02:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Veronica Mars episodes

Meanwhile, I have been working on List of Veronica Mars episodes. I am going to take it to FLC soon, but the summaries need a copyedit. Some of them contain a bit of POV, so I was wondering if you are up to it? Otherwise, the article is missing some ratings references, but I will fix that up. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 14:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm absolutely slammed this weekend, but I'll get to it as I can. Sounds like fun! Jclemens (talk) 00:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, take as long as you want. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 03:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have done everything I can to the list. All it needs is a copyedit and then I will nominate it. No pressure though. ;) Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 10:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, one copyedit on the episode list done. Might be room for more, I'll keep looking at it over the next day or two. Jclemens (talk) 03:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Neptune (Veronica Mars)

Looks like this was supposed to be merged into Veronica Mars or deleted. Hmm. Not sure I really want to do that. What if we merged a bunch of articles into Locations in Veronica Mars or something like that? Looks like some of the other fictional location articles are... well, need work. Jclemens (talk) 04:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Well I don't really want to waste a lot of time on pages like these. I think your suggestion was good: create Locations in Veronica Mars, and redirect all the "places" to that page, i.e. Neptune, California, Neptune Grand, Neptune High and Hearst College. Sound good? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 04:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Think we ought to make a two-person VM task force under Wikiproject:Television and just go to town? :-) Jclemens (talk) 05:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Lol, well I don't see why not. If we do, what do you think will be our main focus? The main page is alredy a GA, and the episodes list is almost a FL. There really is nothing else to work on. The individual character pages would be a waste of time, there are soooo many stubby ones. Actually, we could start merging a couple in the main characters page. Thoughts? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 05:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

D&D articles for Misplaced Pages 0.7

Hi there!  :)

As someone who's worked on D&D and/or RPG articles before, I'm inviting you to participate in our goal to both improve articles that have been selected to be placed in the next Misplaced Pages DVD release, as well as nominate more to be selected for this project. Please see the WikiProject D&D talk page for more details. :) BOZ (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Will do, thanks. Jclemens (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Your input is sincerely appreaciated.  :) BOZ (talk) 19:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the offer - I have responded on the project talk page. What's the best way to get started? BOZ (talk) 19:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Replied on the project page. Short answer: Nominate any you think meet up with WP:GAN as far as you can tell, and leave me a note when you do. I've got the D&D page on my watchlist, so no need to notify me both here and there, just pick one. Jclemens (talk) 06:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• Gary Gygax article updated and updating for the GA if you are interested, or however the process works in case you want to make changes to the GA review as things progress. The plaque inscription is now a part of the caption for it. Thanks for help get this article improved. shadzar-talk 18:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I have the page watchlisted, and am following things as you go. Every couple of days I try and do a re-review of the article with fresh eyes, and will add new comments as appropriate. Keep up the good work! :-) Jclemens (talk) 18:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Misty Copeland

You may review Misty Copeland now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I plan on getting to this tonight. Thanks for keeping me appraised of your progress. Jclemens (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the extensive review. I need reviewers like you to make me look good. IMO, this belongs with the other GAs now, but there is of course room for improvement. I hope you agree.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Given your extensive recent editing activity, you may have missed my previous note here. Thus, I am just letting you know I am ready for review.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'd been waiting for another note, sorry about that. I'll get you another review tonight. Jclemens (talk) 00:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Apology and Accusatoins of Partisanship

• I apologize for reporting your deletions previously. It appears that you were objecting to my use of "witch hunter", thinking I meant it figuratively, not literally, and that you thought I should obviously knew what portion of my edits you found objectionable. I, on the other hand, had no idea that this was the particular BLP issue you were talking about, thinking you were objecting to comething else.

• You may find it interesting that I have been accused of being a "pro Palin partisan", such as here! My position is that any and all factual information, that bears on the subject of the article, should be in an encyclopedia article, even if it could be used by partisan encyclopedia users or researchers. I noticed that you have not objected to my proposals for Wasilla Assembly of God, now that they are properly sourced and directly relate to the church via its speakers, insofar as it relates to what was said at the church, or if it is related to what was said at the church by its invited speakers, or said about the church or about its speakers. So we appear to be in agreement. I more fully state my positoin here. Tautologist (talk) 13:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Apology accepted. As far as that WAoG stuff, I've really not reviewed your proposals. Aside from the other things I have been doing on Misplaced Pages, I've been a bit too busy with RL stuff to want to dive back into that topic. Thankfully, most everyone else seems to have lost interest as well. Jclemens (talk) 06:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Mounted search and rescue

Thank you for your fact tags on Mounted search and rescue. That helps enormously. --Una Smith (talk) 22:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I watchlisted Wikiproject Fire service, and giving my opinion is far less work than a lot of other things that need doing on Misplaced Pages. :-) Jclemens (talk) 22:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Your comments

I did read them after I started major revisions. My latest edit includes Joel Connelly's blog so I don't dispute you on that point. I did update the majority of the blogs with actual newspaper articles, however, only because I felt they fleshed out the subject better. Thanks, Cumulus Clouds (talk) 18:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

In Dino Rossi, Cumulus carefully and completely undid the entire fixing I did <b<in conformance with your recomendations. Every iota of current news was excised, and the MArch polls reinserted. I have now excused the out-of-date stuff, and the article is NPOV for a year ago ,aybe, if one is a Gregoire supporter. For any real encyclopedia, it is castrated totally. I recommend you do the fixing now -- CC is following me all across WP. Collect (talk) 21:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ergh. I really don't want to get in the middle of a fight between the two of you, as I've worked with you both in different contexts and really don't want to choose sides. I'd encourage you to keep talking to him, looking for common ground, and using WP:DR if the process fails. WP:3O isn't really for etiquette issues, but for content/policy disagreements, and it sounds like you think that's crossed the line at this point. Jclemens (talk) 21:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

You might want to note CC is now actually stalking me -- finding every political article in which I made edits and reverting them with warnings that he will drive me off WP. (2 articles is coincidence, I suppose. More is not) I find his conduct objectionable, and walked away from Rossi, which is now about the worst article on WP (sigh) Can you possibly deal with the edits? I do not want any contact with CC after his repeated "warnings." Many thanks! Collect (talk) 23:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• You followed me to Charles Keating and I think it's fair to assess your contributions to determine your bias. You've inserted a very clear conservative slant into every article you've touched. Your edits to Sarah Palin make this abundantly clear. You've met or violated 3RR on most of the articles you've been to and if you violate that protocol you will most definitely be blocked from editing. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 00:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

(ec) I've never used the dispute resolution processes (WP:DR) myself, so I'm really not going to be too much help in guiding you through them. My advice is to remember that real life matters more than Misplaced Pages, so feel free to take a break from the contentious articles, and go visit some completely different part of Misplaced Pages. Take a look at my contributions--I do a variety of things. When I get too frustrated over a contentious topic, I go spend time contributing in an entirely different area. I certainly hope you are able to disengage from the negative interactions and find a comfortable place to contribute here. Jclemens (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Gentlemen, I'd encourage both of you to sit down and have a cup of WP:TEA and discuss how you can collaborate to make Misplaced Pages better, rather than each seeking to demonstrate your own rightness. Jclemens (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I have asked CC to "disengage." I followed no one anywhere, I followed a link from an article I was editing. If you look, you will find me active in such partisan subjects as the Dime ... I am a "fact person" by training. Thank you most kindly. Collect (talk) 01:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I took TEA. I also use AGF. You might want to give a 3O for Charles Keating which CC has now issued dire threats on. He appears to think trying to use English grammar is wrong, and that cites do not need to contain the facts asserted to be in them. Merci. Collect (talk) 05:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Italian supercentarians

Coudl you re-visit the Afd? I find your oppose inactionable, thanks. —Ceran 17:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Replied there. Jclemens (talk) 03:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Zeitgeist: Addendum

Stifle, if Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, why did you close the subj AfD as no consensus when it clearly has no independent, reliable sources and fails WP:MOVIE? I'd like to understand your reasoning, as I'm inclined to take this one to DRV, but don't want to look like an idiot if you had an unarticulated reason for the closure. Jclemens (talk) 00:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?

There really was no consensus. Lack of references is a reason for improvement, not deletion, and the AFD participants did not agree that it failed WP:MOVIE. You're welcome to DRV it, of course, but I think you might be better off relisting it next month if it hasn't improved. Stifle (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I followed the links to discuss other admin actions--sorry if that was the wrong place to put it.

Per discussion at Talk:Zeitgeist:_Addendum#Deletion_discussion_closed_as_no_consensus, two other editors disagree with your assessment of consensus. I think the crux of the disagreement is that "keep and improve" !votes simply ignored the fact that there are no reliable sources in the article and had no realistic remedy, and that your considering their non-policy-based objections violated WP:PRACTICAL. Jclemens (talk) 03:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

CC editwarring

CC is now editwarring in Billy James Hargis, Charles Keating and Dino Rossi all at once, and contrary to your 3O on Dino. He specifically is charging me with "vandalism" (see my talk page to see how many "warnings" he has emitted) and refuses to discuss anything on the Talk pages. Thank you. Collect (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Collect, who else have you contacted about this? I'm not an administrator, so all I can do is provide opinions on things--I can issue warnings, but can't block anyone. It sounds like you really need the help of an experienced administrator. Looks like CC was blocked back in June for edit warring, and he's not an administrator, though he's been around since 2006. Oh, interesting: you're not the only person having problems with him. See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Cumulus_Clouds. I think if you read that page, you may get some sympathy and/or guidance on how to deal with him. Failing that, you might find some people to comiserate with. Jclemens (talk) 17:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)