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Xinunus

Thanks for help on sorting the sock puppet case. I don't think we have seen the last of the user. Unfortunately. I think they might already be back with 199.209.144.211 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). The ip is reverting stuff on Xinunus and adding the same warning to my talkpage. Mind taking a look? Thanks. --Patrick (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

User:LemonMonday

Hi Jehochman. This is just a courtesy note. Two other checkusers have reviewed the Blue Bugle case and have determined the above account to be  Unlikely. Per the technical evidence, I'm going to unblock with a warning re. their apparent pursuit of User:HighKing. Sorry about all the trouble - Alison 21:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Okee dokee. Jehochman 22:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough on the technical evidence showing that they're not sock-puppets - thanks to all involved for the efforts. But I'm very concerned that LemonMonday has stated You won't give me the benefit of the doubt so I've no alternative but to become a sockpuppet! A sockpuppet of the now defunct LemonMonday. I and others will continue in due course to challenge the edits of the disruptive HighKing until such time as he's prevented from damaging this project further. on his Talk page. In the words of Cole Porter - "There will be trouble ahead"... --HighKing (talk) 10:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

"I have a bad feeling about this." Jehochman 12:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

"Oh boy!" Cirt (talk) 13:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Another editor just popped up on the radar - User:MidnightBlueMan, account created Sept 30th, and is just starting on a reversionfest. --HighKing (talk) 18:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

What is this? A reversionfest, how funny! but it's a good word. No, I have not "popped up" as you put it. I was editing as an IP and signed up on 30th September at the request of User:Snowded on the British Isles Talk page. Can you please stop removing British Isles for illegitimate reasons. I note your long history in this activity. MidnightBlue (Talk) 18:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

(outdent)Apologies. Has already been reported here too. I notified you here also since you have knowledge of the situation and interceded previously. I won't post here again on this topic, and feel free o remove this comment also. --HighKing (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You are mentioned

At WP:ANI#Harassment. ScienceApologist (talk) 22:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Please respond at the CU case to give the supporting diffs requested by me, if you would be so kind. Just saying "I wash my hands" of an incomplete case is probably not a good approach. ++Lar: t/c 22:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I am short on time at the moment, but I have done my best under the circumstances to present the evidence. I find it remarkable that SA is tag teaming on two occasions a month apart with closely connected IPs. The simplest and most probably explanation that it's the same editor. Jehochman 22:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Rosetta@home

Je, Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Rosetta@home may be within your area of interest, particularly with your experience with non-conventional sourcing in a computer-related FAC. I'm hoping you might have time to review this article? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/ScienceApologist

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/ScienceApologist, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/ScienceApologist and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/ScienceApologist during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. ScienceApologist (talk) 02:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC) ScienceApologist (talk) 02:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

TharkunColl behaviour

Hi, in light of the recent activities of Blue Bugle and LemonMonday, can you also please take a look at the activities of User:TharkunColl. It is obvious that he regularly looks at my contributions and reverts my edits. We have had a number of edit wars in the past, I admit, but that was borne out of frustration. He constantly wholesale reverts whatever recent edits I make without discussion, and usually with comments designed to incite a reaction. He rarely if ever discusses the edits, and always leaves comments such as "Reverting wholesale vandalism" or "Removing politically driven POV", etc. I've asked him to stop several times, and left warnings on his Talk page. While I don't believe he sock-puppets, his actions are remarkably similar to LemonMonday and Blue Bugle. Here are a number of recent reverts from the last 30 minutes:

• European Green Party
• Cup and ring mark
• Old-time music
• Drovers' Road

There's numerous other examples going back such as

• Derry and Derry
• Saint David

but if you go back over his edit history, they're pretty obvious. As an administrator that is uninvolved but has experience examining similar cases, please take a look. Thank you. --HighKing (talk) 15:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you copy the above content to WP:WQA for wider discussion? Jehochman 16:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that is the right place, but OK, I'll start there. --HighKing (talk) 17:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion started here. --HighKing (talk) 20:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Nosferamus

OMG. Thanks very much, 89.96.108.150 (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it.  :-) Jehochman 16:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

RFAR exercise

Hi. I have a question about the RFAR excercise, which I posted to the Coaching page. How should I analyze the case? What should I look for, and what sort of understanding do I need to develop? Thanks. SunDragon34 (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Just read the case main page, then the evidence page, and then go to the workshop and make helpful comments. The committee likes to get feedback from the community on various workshop proposals. You are also welcome to investigate the conflict and present evidence if you think important factors are missing. Jehochman 22:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Review

Would you mind reviewing my recent edits and saying what I've done good and bad? I've been editing when I get the time. I try to edit every day, but it doesn't always happen. Undead Warrior (talk) 16:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you are doing fine. You have not been blocked, nor warned, and you picked up a barnstar. What sort of tasks would you like to do if you became an administrator? Jehochman 19:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh where to start. I'd like to work in AfD, IfD, and CfD. (mainly afd) I also am big on image related stuff. (Copyvio images, no source, no FUR etc...) I'd get involved at the noticeboard. If you see my edits, I warn a lot of IPs and users for vandalism so I'm fairly knowledgeable about that already. Undead Warrior (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Have you done any non-admin closes of AfD's? You can do that when there is a clear consensus to keep. If you've done that, did your decisions stick? Jehochman 21:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I have done that and they have stuck. I've done multiple closes when the consensus was delete and the admin forgot to close the AfD too. (the article was already deleted, I just closed it) I only would do a keep close if there were multiple keep !votes very quick with valid points, or if it was a bad faith nom of an article that really should never have been nominated. Undead Warrior (talk) 22:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

In your opinion, if I were to do an RfA now, would it turn favorable for me? Undead Warrior (talk) 00:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Hemshin peoples entry

• Hemshin peoples (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have noticed that you are aware of the Hemshin peoples entry through your exhange with admin Khoikkoi on your talk page on 28 September 2008. This entry is again under wholesale revert attacks taking it back to a version of app. a year ago. I have placed a notice about one of the whole reverters (user Eupator) on WP:AE (User: Eupator with regards to Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2's decisions). I just wanted to inform you about this situation. Thanks.Omer182 (talk) 17:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI case of HK & Tharky

Hello Jehochman. I did the duty of informing HK, of the ANI report being cancelled. I hope I didn't overstep boundries. GoodDay (talk) 19:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. The matter is at WP:AE. We should try to resolve this with a minimum amount of fuss and drama. Posting the same issue to multiple forums at the same time is not helpful. Jehochman 19:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sore with Tharky, honest. But, I won't push him any further for clarity, as these are tense times for him (and HK). GoodDay (talk) 19:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. We are all on the same side and need to try to help each other, even when we disagree. Jehochman 19:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Abusive edits previously reported on WP:AN/I

I'm not in a position to E-mail the oversight list. Please can you do so? I've now looked at the history of the page, and can see that the same attack has been made from multiple IP addresses; these are probably also open relays or compromised hosts, since they are all on different ISPs. -- The Anome (talk) 03:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I will be glad to look. Jehochman 04:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Thomas Basboll

Thomas Basboll has asked me what he needs to do to return to editing here. I thought I would approach you in the first instance. As six months have passed, and he hasn't (as far as I am aware) been disruptive, would you support his return? Obviously it isn't up to either one of us but I thought I would sound you out anyway, as you were involved in the matter back in April. Thanks for your consideration. --John (talk) 05:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree to a second chance. I'd have to look back at the details to see what sort of advice we could provide to help make sure there is no further difficulty. Jehochman 05:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I noticed after I sent that message, that you discussed this with him a few weeks ago as well, apologies for missing that. I suppose we'll have to go back to AE to endorse the unbanning? And yes, the advice we give him is important too. My impression is that things have been a little quieter on the 9/11 front recently, though I confess I may be out of touch. --John (talk) 05:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

MISRA C++

I see that you have just deleted the MISRA C++ article. I don't understand the rationale for such preemptive action. Please reinstate the article and add a warning that it might be deleted unless appropriate corrections are made to it. Derek farn (talk) 14:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The article failed to assert notability. I was originally thinking of merging MISRA C++ into MISRA, but the MISRA article has already been deleted by another administrator as blatant advertising. If you'd like me to restore the article and nominate it for AfD, I will. Jehochman 15:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The appropriate merge, if one did occur, would be with MISRA C. I did warn the MISRA people that the article read like an advert. If you are willing to restore the MISRA article I will cut out the advertising. Derek farn (talk) 16:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

All of these pages look non-notable and appear to be promotional. Are you associated with the organization in some way? Jehochman 16:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I am surprise you say they are non-notable, how do you measure notability? I work in the field of static analysis and customers are interested in MISRA C/C++, hence my interest. I have been to MISRA C workshops in the past (about 7 years ago), I have been to MISRA C++ meetings (last about 2 years ago). Derek farn (talk) 18:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability depends upon independent coverage by reliable sources. The existence of a programming language with a working group and conferences does not establish notability. There would have to be media coverage, or books written about the subject that we could use as references. Misplaced Pages is not a publisher of original research. Unless something is covered by others first, we cannot cover it. This subject seems not to have enough coverage to write anything more than a stub article. If something is just mentioned a few times, it might be included in another article. Jehochman 18:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Books written about it? How many of the 2.5 million Misplaced Pages articles have books written about them (ok, perhaps you do think that 90% of the articles in Misplaced Pages are not notable and should be deleted)? MISRA C/C++ gets lots of mentions/articles in the embedded systems market. Derek farn (talk) 19:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Rather than trying to convince me that Misplaced Pages's notability policy needs changing, I suggest you explain what reliable sources have covered this topic. Please do so at the deletion discussion to share the information with everyone. Jehochman 19:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I am past caring. You continue to chant that the article is non-notable and have not responded to any of the points I have made. Derek farn (talk) 19:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

SSP closure

I've got an SSP case that might need to be closed. No action needed. The sock-puppeteer, User:Genetix1234, hasn't abused his/her alternate accounts, and by the nature of the test edits on their userpage, this user looks clean. The last thing a new Wikipedian needs is a big, scary {{socksuspectnotice}} template as first contact! :( I've welcomed the user, given him a friendly spiel on proper use of alternate accounts, and labeled the userpages appropriately. No further action needed, right? (I'll keep an eye on it.) SunDragon34 (talk) 05:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's the link to the case: Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Genetix1234. SunDragon34 (talk) 05:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Controversy over AN/I Incident

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that due to my complaint I filed here, I have stirred up a lot of unnecessary controversy. I did not intend to do this, I just wanted to point out that it looks like an article could be controlled by a certain group of people and I wanted any neutral administrator to look into it. I have no intention of editing the Oxford Round Table and I have not had any contact with the editors I am accused of being a sock of. I have merely joined wikipedia, read the tutorials, and learned the formatting and rules, which I think every editor needs to know before starting to post. I only want to contribute in a positive way and help ensure articles get published without any bias. Because of my recent thread, I have been suspected of being a sock puppet of users which I have not collaborated with in any way Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Astutescholar. If I posted to the AN/I too early about incidents I am noticing, my sincere apologies, I was only trying to help out the community, but I do not understand how I can come into suspicion for only trying to help out. Like I said earlier, I was only trying to become a productive editor, please let me know where I was mistaken in my contributions. Thanks. Treasuryrain (talk) 06:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

It is best to avoid WP:ANI due to the risk of igniting drama. You might try WP:EAR in the future instead. Jehochman 12:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, I have read about WP:EAR and it seems like that would have been a better area to post my concerns. My apologies for posting in the wrong area and causing these problems. Could you advise me on how to what should be done about this sock puppet discussion? Thanks Treasuryrain (talk) 04:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. There is evidence at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Astutescholar that you are operating a sock puppet account, and I see that you have been indefinitely blocked. Jehochman 08:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Dab's comment

• please see my comment at User_talk:Puttyschool#Block_length. I don't disagree with blocking these accounts, but I have difficulty accepting the "instant indef" block. It does not look as if this account had been properly warned, or gone through a series of escalating block lengths. A block of three or four days paired with a stern warning that the next block would more likely extend to a few months or a year would have been more appropriate. It would not have cost us anything to click on the block button a second time if editor had come back from their first block without improving their behavior. You could also issue topic bans. The point is that this user has constructively contributed to other topics, and I don't see a reason to keep them from doing that as long as we can keep them from causing trouble by other means. --dab (𒁳) 15:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

There was a lengthy discussion at WP:ANI, and a consensus was achieved. If you want to start a new discussion, feel free, and be sure to notify User:FayssalF who is the one who suggested the indef block in the first place. There is no obligation to do revolving door blocks, especially in an area covered by ArbCom sanctions. When an editor posts egregiously inflammatory material and carries on a lengthy battle, the cost of their disruption may exceed the value of their contributions. If Puttyschool wants to change their approach, I am willing to entertain an unblock request or discussion. Jehochman 20:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Rabbit Hunter....

I was advised by User:Franamax to seek out your advice inre a SPA account that was created, nominated an article for deletion and then disappeared. With it being a hit-and-run, would there be any point in filing a SSP report? And even were I to do so, I have a distinct problem with COI that hurts any effort I might make to investigate. What is the policy on SPA or Socketpuppet/meatpuppet nominations? Are they allowed to continue though the AfD process as if the were actually Good Faith nominations? I feel that such was done contrary to the consensus of the first AfD and in violation of WP:NTEMP. Schmidt, 22:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Having your bio deleted from Misplaced Pages is probably a blessing in disguise. I am a semi-notable person and am happy not to have a bio here. The votes at AfD seem to be established editors. I hope you won't stress too much in case you become an un-person via deletion. :-/ Jehochman 23:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Puttyschool's checkuser case

Hi Jehochman! I'm just letting you know that User:Puttyschool's checkuser case is underway—I'll get back to that once it's ready. As for User:Great Sphinx, he/she was not blocked because I suggested that he/she should be blocked. Rather, Great Sphinx was blocked because I suggested an unusual connection a few days earlier which lead to that. Of course, I have decided not to post this on Puttyschool's page to prevent further issues, but you could certainly let him/her know if you wish. Simply, I feel that your part in the matter was reasonable enough to make you aware so that there's no confusion involved. I hope you can understand. Cheers and best wishes, ~ Troy (talk) 01:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

My forthcoming elevation

Regarding your edit here As a matter of fact, not that it is any concern of yours I may now not choose to run, as I have a more worthy and pressing election in mind. I have been asked by poor beleaguered Mr McCain to replace that dreadful woman, (naturally I have joint American citizenship attained during my painful years as the wife of Hiram G Rockerfeller Jnr). In order to make myself more appealing and in union with the good folk of America (to whom I say "howdy to you all"), like the wretched Mrs Palin, I shall be giving my children new and totally ridiculous names. Henceforth my darling children Usrsula, Arabella, Henrietta and Hubert will be known as Peewit, Beanbag, Sofa Table and Gary. My present husband Henri, Duc de Longchamp-sous-Châtenois, who will be assisting my image as a typicall All American Mother cooking Turkey with blueberry pie, will henceforth, and in recognition of the American people's inability to pronounce the Queen's English, will be known as Champ - a typical American male Christian name.

Regarding poor Mrs palin's plight, while I don't feel it unreasonable to use one's office to dispose of troublesome family members, or even, if necessary, to have them disposed of through holes in the ice or whatever the chosen method of execution is in those parts, it is completely unacceptable to have tattooed lips, even if one is American and descended from Red Indians or wherever it is the good people of America have their origins. Neither should one have the vowels of an electric can-opener. So! Rememeber Vote de Burgh - and God Bless America! Catherine de Burgh (Lady) (talk) 12:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)