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お久しぶりです^^。ひとつ質問があるのですが、英語版より日本語版へ翻訳していただきたい記事があるのですが、そういった依頼はどこですればよろしいですか?--] (]) 12:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC) お久しぶりです^^。ひとつ質問があるのですが、英語版より日本語版へ翻訳していただきたい記事があるのですが、そういった依頼はどこですればよろしいですか?--] (]) 12:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== That is not NPOV version, but JPOV version ==

I'm disappointed at your false labeling to my edit. You're obviously favoring Japanese POV, which is against NPOV. Although NPOV does not mean to address equal amounts of arguments, the article heavily favors only Japanese side, including the map issue. I think you omit the Korean claim which surely not meets NPOV as you assert. Besides, the blind revert is not hardly a consensus reached because two editors including you are Japanese. Besides, you did not provide why you think Kusunose version is NPOV. Please do not blind revert for your favor. The article deserves to have the Korean map for illustrating Korean point of view as well. If there is no dispute on the naming, the article even would not be here. Please face the reality. Regards.--] 05:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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Culture of Japan

I did not know your revision until I reverted the edit by likely a sock of User:Azukimonaka. If you think the intro inserted by Globalscene weights undue, you can implement or revert it because I know that you're a fair contributor unlike that kind of the disruptive sockpuppeter :User:Azukimonaka, User:KoreanShoriSenyou, User:Orchis29 (all same sock). Regards. --Appletrees (talk) 15:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Do not remove AfD tag

Please do not remove the tag for the on-going AfD discussion regarding List of English words of Japanese origin. The discussion is already in progress and should be allowed to run its course. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It is not a problem. It appears the article is going to be maintained, so all will end well. Cheers! Ecoleetage (talk) 16:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Hi, glad to see that things were handled. Just curious though, where did you see my name? An "RC" page? --Elonka 16:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocked, thanks for the help.  :) You may also wish to post these reports at WP:AIV, since many admins routinely watch that page, and you can often get a faster response. --Elonka 16:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandal

Hi, the same user has done it again: User talk:Miffyandfrends. TONY (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Mis-identified vandalism

Hi-

I don't think the edits you reverted here (to Sirius) are vandalism. I would suggest that an apology to that IP might be appropriate. ASHill (talk | contribs) 15:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


Mistake in labelling page blanking as vandalism

Please remove your vandalism warning from User talk:Lordinajamjar. As the author of an article which had been criticized for lack of sources, he is entitled to blank it and under WP:CSD that constitutes a speedy deletion request. As a result, I speedily deleted it. Thanks. Edison (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your vandal patrolling. Edison (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Question on an old, obscure Japanese film

Hi, Oda Mari. I hope things have been going well with you. I have a confusing situation on an old, obscure Japanese movie which was recently released on DVD in the U.S. Here is Amazon's description of it. It's a 1965 "pink film" titled Bite and directed by Mukai Hiroshi (向井寛) aka Mukai Kan. The actors in the film are listed as Michiko Shiroyami, Senjo Ichiriki, Machiko Matsumoto, Keisuke Senda, and Natsue Hanaha. I don't have the DVD (yet), so I can't tell what the Japanese title actually is. Here is Mukai's filmography at JMDB, and I see nothing from 1965 that matches this title. I do see a film from August 1966, here titled "餌" (Bait?). The cast listed is 一力仙城 (Ichiriki Senjo?),   松本真知子 (Matsumoto Machiko?) and 城山路子 (Shiroyama Michiko?). What do you think? Is Amazon's year wrong, and the U.S. DVD mis-titled as Bite instead of Bait? I won't be starting an article on it until/if I get the DVD, but as always, any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Dekkappai (talk) 21:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Oda Mari. I must admit, I find these old, obscure, but notable Japanese (and Korean) things to be fascinating. The more hard-to-research, the better! It's like solving a puzzle... Anyway, thank you for that profile on Mukai-- that will definitely help with an article on the director, and give a clue for an article on that film, if I decide to start one. Happy editing, and cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Stradivarius

absolutely! the second link you provided is an excellent source. cheers! --emerson7 17:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Support

Please show your support. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Japanese_Supercar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spell123 (talkcontribs) 08:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the speedy revert of the vandalism to my user page! --Kralizec! (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome

I am certain you would have done the same for me, had it been the other way around. Addionne (talk) 14:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Will Young discography

Not vandalism. Read the edit comment: Entire article was duplicated inside a table - fixed that. No other changes. Maybe compare the original to the edit before accusing someone of vandalism?????? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.253.194 (talk) 06:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Mis-identification as vandalism

While the anonymous edit to “Goat” that you reverted lacked a “reliable source” and was too informally written, it did not read like vandalism, and googling shows that its assertion at least corresponds to folk wisdom amongst goat owners. It is important to assume good faith except when that assumption flies in the face of the evidence. —SlamDiego←T 15:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Userpage protection

I've protected your userpage for 2 weeks. Hope you don't mind. :) Rudget (logs) 18:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Educate yourself

What I mean by that is that you should learn what a word means before you use it, in this case vandalism. Don't call edits for vandalism unless they are cleary attempts on sabotage. Hipporoo (talk) 22:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

Oda Mari -- As I gain more experience with Misplaced Pages, I find that I'm pleased and a little amazed that I've managed to avoid some of the kinds of intractable problems which are illustrated by the comparatively slim postings I see on your talk page today. This is just as well, because I've been sorely pressed and a bit overwhelmed dealing with the comparatively modest disputes I've been otherwise unable to avert. In that grey context, I just wanted to remind you that I consider our "disputes" as exemplars of something good, something which worked quite well.

There is nothing much for you to remember here; and these were very small matters: You persuaded me to withdraw a misinterpreted citation about the 1707 eruption of Fuji; and you persuaded me to withdraw a tenuous citation having to do with coins minted in 1695. Frankly, I'd be unsurprised if you remember none of this ....

When I feel forced to deal with an argument I can't otherwise avert, my knee-jerk response is to think of Oda Mari. In my experience, a difference of opinion in which you're a part is likely to result in a sense that I've been enriched by the experience, even in circumstances when my view ultimately proves untenable. I find myself puzzling over how that happened ....

It crossed my mind today that it would be a good idea to remind you of a trivial exchange which you've doubtless forgotten. Something turned out better than it might, and I credit you with that constructive outcome. Thank you. --Tenmei (talk) 23:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Shari

Hello! I'm new at editing Misplaced Pages and I was wondering why you reverted my last edit. Shari is not slang--it is another name for sushi meshi, or sushi rice. Google it! If there is a reason I shouldn't have added it, please let me know. Thanks! Shari.alaina (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


oh! thanks for explaining. :) Shari.alaina (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Calvin College and Theological Seminary

This page needs to be deleted. There are separate articles already for Calvin College and Calvin Theological Seminary. There is no content for this page and a Misplaced Pages note that it is orphaned. Worse yet, it is geocoded to a location that is not the campus for Calvin College or Calvin Theological Seminary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.106.118.6 (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Mis-identified Vandalism

Hello. You called this vandalism, but it doesn't appear to be. You should read up on WP:Vandalism, and also retract your warning on the users talk page. Llamabr (talk) 17:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Japanese language

Hi, Oda Mari. :) According to your name, you must be Japanese, isn't it? ;) If so, I should ask you. Do you think Japanese Kanji is EXACTLY same as Chineze Hanzi? I know well about Japanese Kanji and Chienese Hanzi. though they are different! I hope you accept me to add 'modified' in the part. Thanks.--Carl Daniels (talk) 13:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Carl Daniels! I saw your message. To tell the truth, it was a difficult decision to revert. But I thought it is not appropriate to add 'modified' in the intro because not all the kanjis are modified. How about the word 日本語? Is there any modified kanji used in it? I think the description here is an appropriate one. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)- User:Carl Daniels transfered from User talk:Carl Daniels#Re:Japanese language - I don't like the disuccusion is scattered.
That's why I recommend 'modified'. You knew they are different. Do you want the readers to misunderstand that Japanese Kanji is same as Chinese Hanzi? I think Not. We aready know they are NOT same. it's not just the differece of calling name. I hope you reconsider it. Thanks. --Carl Daniels (talk) 15:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I will show you a part of the list of Simplified - Traditional - Japanese Kanji
If you can't distinguish them, you should enlarge this, and check it! ;)
  • 写 寫 写
  • 广 廣 広
  • 亚 亞 亜
  • 办 辦 弁
  • 帮 幫 幇
  • 从 從 従
  • 产 產 産
  • 传 傳 伝
  • 废 廢 廃
  • 绿 綠 緑
  • 吴 吳 呉
  • 乡 鄉 郷
  • 隐 隱 隠
  • 丰 豐 豊
You need more? --Carl Daniels (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
If adding 'modified', general readers would think kanji are 100% modified. But that is not correct. How about asking for other editors opinion on the talk page? Oda Mari (talk) 16:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Adding "modified" won't make people think they are completely (or 100%) different. Modified just means that something was changed. I think using the word "modified" would be acceptable. ···日本穣 18:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I see. Thank you for the explanation, 日本穣. I am reverting my edit. Sorry for my poor understanding of English, Carl Daniels. Oda Mari (talk) 04:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Oda Mari&日本穣. :) --Carl Daniels (talk) 18:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice to meet you...

...Have a nice day! ;~) LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Misuse of twinkle

Although I generally think that you're a fair user, and the person with whom you have been disputing has some issue, I think you misused your twinkle at this time. Because that is clearly a "content dispute", not a "vandalism" per policy. Therefore, your warnings seem not be warranted and can be easily ignored. If the edit was truly a vandalism, you would have reported him to WP:AIV, but you did not because you know the reason. Regards.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you really confirm me again that you're a really nice person and editor. Hmm..I don't know anything about Soga family and why he so clings onto the subject, but well, if he would not comply with a discussion request that he has received, you can fetch administrators who knows the subject well, or third person. Thanks. --Caspian blue (talk) 06:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Note: Although it is proven that the editor with whom you were edit warring is an abusive sock along with Bentecbye and other Japanese sockpuppeters, the ip was no related with him. Therefore, Nihonjoe's accusation turns out to be false.--Caspian blue (talk) 17:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem. It is so true that Manacpowers is an abusive sockpuppeter proven by the CU and has not been helpful to Korean projects with his massive edit warrings with other sockpuppeters. It is also amusing to see that the both sockpuppeters have been calling each other in a same manner. But if I was viewed as unnecessary unkind to Nihonjoe", there are many reasons. I was falsely accused by him out of nowhere with no grounds, and have not got any apology from him yet. Whenever I visited him for some help, he always rejected me with sarcasm. We have been disputing in some articles. That's why I could not bear his comments there. Sorry if he is your friend, but I think LordAmeth is a fairly neutral and good admin to help you whenever you need administrative help.--Caspian blue (talk) 18:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

転居挨拶状

Thanks for your help! Exploding Boy (talk) 05:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha, don't be embarrassed. My Japanese brain never works very well! Exploding Boy (talk) 06:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I wonder if you could have a look here and maybe leave the user a note on his talk page asking him to behave? Thanks. Exploding Boy (talk) 05:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I left a note. Hope it helps. BTW, correct my English if you find mistakes. Oda Mari (talk) 06:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Great! Thanks! Exploding Boy (talk) 06:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the correction. Ooo, my terrible English. (sigh) Oda Mari (talk) 06:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, yeah, I saw his comment and your reply. Thanks for taking care of that. It seems like he's willing to settle down and behave himself from now on (but if he doesn't, he is going to be blocked -- some people are pretty unhappy about some of his previous remarks...). Exploding Boy (talk) 16:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

As far as I read his reply, I think he will not vandalize en wiki anymore. Because he apologized his behavior first and promised me not to protest in a form of vandalism before I answered his question. He will realize his misunderstanding when he reads my reply. Is there anything else you want me to tell him? BTW, as for the kaiseki image, why don't you ask for more info. to the uploader? Oda Mari (talk) 17:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Ha ha, no, I think he'll be fine. Exploding Boy (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help with Tree Cannon. I wonder if you'd consider adding yourself to Misplaced Pages:Local Embassy. There's currently nobody there offering assistance in Japanese. I might post on Wikiproject Japan too. (my mistake; there is) Exploding Boy (talk) 21:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE correct it!!  :) Exploding Boy (talk) 16:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Ohhhhhhh, I see.... That makes sense now. Thanks! Exploding Boy (talk) 16:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Your ja is better than my en. Oda Mari (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the "background" section about TC? It doesn't need correcting! Exploding Boy (talk) 17:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. But really? Unbelievable! I don't trust my English most of the time. ha ha. Thanks anyway. Oda Mari (talk) 17:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Photo in Tokyo City article

Hi Mari,

Thanks for adding Image:Tokyo Prefectural Office and Tokyo City Hall.JPG to Tokyo City. Very appropriate.

Do you know if this building is still standing?

Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 07:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! That's an amazing amount of historical detail. It's sad that so few Meiji buildings remain. Fg2 (talk) 10:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Japanese sword

My bad, thought it was a reference being replaced with spam, however the V&A link does work so doesn't need removing --Nate1481 10:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

OneLook Dictionary

Thanks for your input on my Language Ref Desk query. I've had the OneLook dictionary recommended by colleagues, but never saw the display as in your second link, so this is quite interesting. Still, the difficulty I encountered in clarifying the terms (edition/copy/issue/number) is highly usage-dependent, hence my query to fellow Misplaced Pages editors rather than reliance on reference volumes (electronic or analog). I'll go back to OneLook in the future, as I often have to explore options for period language when translating historical documents. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 19:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Original research?

Hi, Oda Mari, I saw that you removed the content as labeling as "original research"...I did not check on the source but believed he (Timothy) added legitimate contents based on a long discussion at the talk page and his emphasis on using reliable sources. The article is nominated for WP:DYK, so if the monster is not featured in the animation, I have to fix the hook and added other contents quickly. Are you sure that the removed content is original research? Thanks--Caspian blue (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. I did some research, and you're right. The main character seems to be a gold fish (I saw a clip) and the story is somewhat similar to Little Mermaid. So remove the questionable content is safer than keeping it. But if it is really original research, Timothy said some contradiction on reliable sources to me before...I think the brown dish may be either sirutteok (steamed tteok covered with azuki bean) or yaksik (steamed tteok made with honey and soy sauce). But he needs to explain about the dish more since there are similar foods between East Asia. Or he could take a look at Commons:Category:Tteok, and get some answer. Thank you for your help! :) --Caspian blue (talk) 17:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
From Timothy Perper. I have restored the deleted material and have added a comment to the talk page. Please read the shoujou talk page before removing it again. I believe that you have acted in good faith and with good intentions, but perhaps without understanding what is involved in this question. Please read and respond, if you would be so kind, on the talk page of the article rather than splitting the discussion between here and there. Thank you. Timothy Perper (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I recommend that you read my User Page about this kind of topic, the last item on the page. It explains why your assessment is inaccurate. No Misplaced Pages policy or rule requires that we use one and only one source for statements in an article. In fact we must often use many sources to establish a fact and a set of facts. That I have done, and that you do not understand. I can see that you have little or no experience doing independent scholarly work of the kind needed to publish scholarship or edit Misplaced Pages. By contrast, I have been working as a published and senior scholar for over 40 years since I obtained my doctorate in 1969. I suggest that instead of working against people like me, from whom you could learn a great deal if you wished and if you listened, you work with us. No single source provides all the information we need, and as a result it is our job to assemble a thorough and complete set of references to give that information in objective, NPOV, and NOR fashion. When you disrupt the production of such material you are creating obstacles to producing high quality articles. But I am not going to argue with you because you are not listening. That is unfortunate but you have a great deal to learn. Timothy Perper (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages doesn't work like academia. I know both, and I'm more familiar with Misplaced Pages practices than you, which is what is relevant here. Oda Mari and Caspian Blue both have good reasons to consider your additions OR. It could reasonably be considered to be an original synthesis as described in WP:OR. And like everything else on Misplaced Pages, OR is subject to interpretation. Your opinion is that it is not. But being an academic scholar doesn't make you automatically correct nor does it give you automatic good judgment on what Misplaced Pages OR is. So it's just arrogance to insist otherwise. --C S (talk) 21:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Book search

Thanks! I responded to your post over on my talk page. ヨロシク! Matt Thorn (talk) 08:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

また僕のトークページで返事させてもらいました。Matt Thorn (talk) 16:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

East Sea

is the proper name. --서울 (talk) 05:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

こんにちわ。質問があります。

お久しぶりです^^。ひとつ質問があるのですが、英語版より日本語版へ翻訳していただきたい記事があるのですが、そういった依頼はどこですればよろしいですか?--Tree Cannon (talk) 12:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

That is not NPOV version, but JPOV version

I'm disappointed at your false labeling to my edit. You're obviously favoring Japanese POV, which is against NPOV. Although NPOV does not mean to address equal amounts of arguments, the article heavily favors only Japanese side, including the map issue. I think you omit the Korean claim which surely not meets NPOV as you assert. Besides, the blind revert is not hardly a consensus reached because two editors including you are Japanese. Besides, you did not provide why you think Kusunose version is NPOV. Please do not blind revert for your favor. The article deserves to have the Korean map for illustrating Korean point of view as well. If there is no dispute on the naming, the article even would not be here. Please face the reality. Regards.--Caspian blue 05:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)