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Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 6 July 2005 05:27 (UTC)

Woohoo! (Sorry, I had to.) Congrats. :) --Dmcdevit July 6, 2005 05:31 (UTC)

Jumping right in. Just what I'd expect from you! --Dmcdevit July 6, 2005 05:41 (UTC)

Uncle Ed just told me - Congratulations! Well-deserved! Simesa 6 July 2005 12:14 (UTC)

NPOV

Hi. You don't know me, but I saw something you wrote:

he's probably going to continue to find "loopholes" in the policies of Misplaced Pages so he can be POV while pretending to be NPOV

Ahem. There are no loopholes in Misplaced Pages:NPOV. I am a co-author and maintainer of that page; if you see a loophole, please show it to me, so I can sew it up.

It's all right to include a point of view in a controversial article, provided:

1. Nothing in the text implies that Misplaced Pages endorses that POV
2. The article specifies who asserts that POV

Now, I know a bit about nuclear power - the science, from two years of undergraduate physics classes; as well as the politics, from general reading - and quite a bit about NPOV policy. I also have been successful at mediating article disputes at Misplaced Pages. So I might be able to help you. Uncle Ed July 6, 2005 11:32 (UTC)

Tributes by world leaders on the death of Ronald Reagan

...... · Katefan0 21:31, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I'll try to tell you about it, admin friend. I just transwikied it to wikiquote, and so now it can be deleted per the VfD ruling (Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Reactions by world leaders to the death of Ronald Reagan). It's quite long overdue, as the VfD was in May! Thanks in advance. --Dmcdevit·t 05:36, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Woohoo! (can't help myself) So reliable... --Dmcdevit·t 06:40, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Check your user page. You may not know me well but I've certainly noticed your contributions :) With respect, Redwolf24 03:57, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey

... thanks for that! You didn't have to. Very nice and much appreciated! · Katefan0 14:30, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Interested?

Hry, there, it's me. I just saw Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/SNIyer1 and thought you might be interested in commenting. I have seen some of your revert wars on my watchlist. Anyway, happy editing. --Dmcdevit·t 21:43, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

(I'll respond here to not muck up the the other discussion) Thak you for the congratulations :). I have in fact done some VfDs, but only ones that ended in speedies or unanimous keep/deletes. I plan on getting into it more, but lately I've been plowing through Category:Pages on votes for deletion and finishing all the incorrect nominations. You wouldn't believe how many people make a subpage, but never list in in the daily log (gotta be at least ~20%). I've seen some from April and May, and even as old as January. Up to the Ms now. I'll close some VfDs tonight too! Well, carry on! --Dmcdevit·t 04:37, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Oops. You might have noticed fewer there. I actually did the end a while ago to mix it up. While there'll be some new ones there, it's probably gonna be more productive to start at T and go up. PS, I've got it down to an art: once you open a page in the category, click on what links here. This is the fastest way to find out, because it should link to some daily VfD log, if it doesn't, it should be listed. Thx! --Dmcdevit·t 06:32, July 27, 2005 (UTC) (Although it's not really a big deal if you're closing old ones along the way, too. So, whatever. Good idea, I should've been doing that too. --Dmcdevit·t 06:34, July 27, 2005 (UTC))

Well, it's got a redir from the main template namespace. So if I read the history right, it was probably created as a joke in the template namespace, then TfD'd. The TfD decision was to BJAODN, so it was moved there, but the category was never taken out (that's where you saw it, right?). So I've just removed the category, and we'll let the BJAODNers have their fun. (Actually I'm tempted to use that one on the next article I VfD...) --Dmcdevit·t 21:33, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Price-Anderson Act

Hi, thought you should know. The PAA and Nuclear Power articles got unprotected, and the edit war in Nuclear Power has Ben pissed and he wants to end Mediation with PAA. I left Uncle Ed a note. Simesa 20:58, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I was just under 24 hours, so I re-reverted the article back to Ben's last. But we still have a problem - are we in Mediation, or has Ben dropped out and the article is open to all edits? (until I can get it to Arbitration) Simesa 20:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I think Ed dropped out. I'm not opposed to mediation if there is anything left to mediate. As I see it, I've won all my points. So aside from keeping you all in check, What's the point of mediation? Does it end? how? when? Are we supposed to be converted and agree? I think we have to let Ed get through his Breaching experiment and then if he's not bitter and disolusioned he might dain to mediate agaiin, but I think he's lost some momentum here lately. Why don't we all just get along? Benjamin Gatti

Uncle Ed and Price-Anderson Mediation

It appears, from Ed poor's discussion page, that he believes he is being booted from being a sysop and admin. This leaves us with no Mediator for Price-Anderson.

By , the numbers have changed for Price-Anderson - coverage for facilities and activities licensed before 2026, required primary insurance to $300 million each, and secondary assessments to $95.8 million each. These numbers should go into the article - but I hesitate to start the edit-warring again. Katefan0 and Woohookitty, advice? Simesa 20:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup Taskforce

Since there's already a discussion going on Misplaced Pages talk:Cleanup Taskforce, I replied there. -- Beland 02:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Copyright tag

Hi. You attached a {{unverified}} tag to Image:UK satellite TV evolution.JPG. While I did not put a tag on the image, in the summary text I did identify it clearly as an original powerpoint drawing by myself. Mark83 17:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Talk Page Confusion

Help! An admin might know the answer to this.

User Vertigre moved the Talk:Nuclear power page to an archive - and redirected the talk page to the archive! Can you do this in Misplaced Pages? Thanks, Simesa 19:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Triple Help! I don't know what user Vertigre was trying to do, but now Talk:Nuclear power and Talk:Nuclear power/archive6 are emptied with no history and Talk:Nuclear power/archive5 is just flat gone! Can you restore Talk:Nuclear power and Talk:Nuclear power/archive5 back to their condition an hour ago? Simesa 20:12, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your hard work! Benjamin Gatti reverted your Archive6 but I made a new one (successfully, as best as my testing shows - my first archive!). Thanks again, Simesa 22:07, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank You and Request

Thank You Woohookitty! I was recently on the internet and found a listing about my father (Don Craig Wiley) on Misplaced Pages. I saw that you were the last to update the listing and I appreciate your work in commemorating the contributions that my father made to late 20th century molecular biology. There was one thing that was troubling that I was wondering if you could fix. His listing is listed as John Craig Wiley, and his name was Don Craig Wiley as it is said in the body of the description. I created an account, but I am not able to move or rename the article. I was wondering if you would be able to do this? I appreciate this and I want you to know that the seemingly small things that people sometimes do can make a giant difference in the lives of others. I look forward to showing Don's grandchildren that he is represented in this ecyclopedia.

Fixed by me as practice - my first Move and fix links!. Simesa 06:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

RFA vote

At Gkhan's RFA, I noticed you voted, "Oppose. Man, you need more experience. If you don't have 2000+ edits, I wouldn't bother applying here. --Woohookitty 06:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)". While you're certainly well within your rights to consider more experience necessary to earn your vote, I was a bit surprised by the comment about not even bothering to apply. I haven't been too active on WP:RFA; has it really gotten so difficult to attain adminship? I was nominated right when my edit count reached one thousand, and no one even mentioned anything about lack of experience. I thought there were others, too, who attained adminship with edit counts in the low 1000s. Perhaps I am mistaken. Or did you mean that this user specifically would need many more edits, either because of other criticisms or because it was a self-nomination? — Knowledge Seeker দ 18:38, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Michael Andrew

The author's given clearance - see Talk:Michael Andrew. Personally, I think a VfD as advertising would be the best thing to do with it. Tearlach 12:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Busch Stadium

I wanted to let you know before I do anything that I plan to add back the concept you deleted from the Busch Stadium article. Although the "best multipurpose stadium" is opinion, it is a very widely held opinion that Busch Stadium was the best or one of the best of the lot. See and and , to name a few. Given the very low opinion of the multipurpose stadium in general, the phrase "best multipurpose stadium" is not much a compliment, but I think it does add appropriate information to the article. If you have any strong objections, please let me know. I am also going to post this same message on the article's Talk page. -- DS1953 14:53, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Vandal

We appear to have a user (71.111.210.100) repeatedly blanking large portions of Nuclear power. Could you check and, if it occurs again, block the user? Simesa 20:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Are you...

...still having fun? How's the new job? · Katefan0 20:24, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

;) Glad to hear it. You can see what fun I'm up to at WP:RFAr. · Katefan0 02:34, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Madonna (entertainer)

I think that the reason for making "achievements" a separate article is that the main article is already very long (and can take quite a while to load). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about it to move it back myself; we'll see if anyone else does. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:34, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Easy jobs

I copyedited The Philadelphia Story today. =) GluttonForPunishment

Venter image

Hi, I saw that you added a public domain notice to media:Venter-janich2.jpg, however I'm not certain that the author really intended to release the photo into the public domain when he wrote "uploaded to Misplaced Pages with permission". Could you double check? Thanks and cheers, AxelBoldt 04:30, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I can certainly remove the copyright notice from this particular image, but if you added imprecise or unverified copyright notices to other pictures as well, it would be good if you could remove them all, since this is pretty serious business. Cheers, AxelBoldt 04:50, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Cool

Almost to 20, quite a cabal I've got going. Haven't talked to you in a while. Have you been away? I'm only at 7200, even though I got here two weeks before you! I'm going on Wikibreak to try to keep my sanity. Could you take a look at this thing (if you feel like more torture): User:Uriah923/OmniNerd? Seems like lately everyone just wants to propose a vote (which is evil) so this was nice. Then there was this too. Sheesh, I need a break. Nice to not feel alone though, so thanks for the note! Dmcdevit·t 16:54, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

When do VfDs get deleted?

I went to vote on the VfD for List of songs played on Radio Disney and saw that voting was already closed. The message you left at the top says that voting was closed almost 2 months ago, however, and the result of the debate was to delete the article. So now I'm confused. Is the article slated for demolition or not? If not, why does the VfD page say it is? --Icarus 22:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Strange. I could have sworn the link was still blue when I posted this question. Maybe my computer's cache was out of date, or maybe it was just one of those strange, unexplainable computer mysteries! My question, however, was how long it takes for an article to actually be deleted after a VfD is closed with the result being that the article should be deleted. --Icarus 17:06, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Annie Hall

Thanks for your message. It's an odd one. The maturity of the guy's communication does not match the maturity of the essay. I can't find anything on google though. The JPS 10:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you so much for your support for my RFA. It made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, like a.... like a... kitty. · Katefan0 21:41, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Hello,
Saw your post on the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball where you said you were an admin etc., etc. Well you brought it up, so here it goes. Can you tell me if putting this image on each team's page is a copyright violation and did I upload it correctly? If copyrights are not your forté, can you point me to someone whose forté they are? Have a good one!--CrazyTalk 01:22, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Image deleted

Image File:AKW-LeibstadtCH.jpg was deleted without comment and therefore pulled off of Nuclear reactor and Nuclear power by user:Mel Etitis (an admin). Could you restore the image? Simesa 11:47, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I see now that the image had no source information given. I will track back to see who entered it. Simesa 12:07, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I've substituted a similar image from Commons, but it may have source problems also. I am trying to get a different picture. Thanks, Simesa 22:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Big Daddy Responds

I feel that your comments on my talk page "I'm sure you will now call me a Commie pinko liberal for daring to contradict you." were marginalizing and disrespectful. It is especially egregious since I've never ever spoken a word to you in my life. I hope all administrators aren't this insulting. Big Daddy

I'm sorry, but the comments in boldface above were deliberately insulting and taken as such. I have no idea who you are and where you're coming from. As a friendly suggestion, I'd work on making a better first impression. They say they're often quite lasting. In your 2nd attempt at communicating to me, you wrote a lot of words when a simple "I'm sorry for cheap shotting you without provocation" would have sufficed. If this is your idea of building community, it's not the community I suspect Jimmy Wales envisioned when he started Misplaced Pages...Big Daddy (on the road)

Request for a link

I'm trying to analyze User:BigDaddy777's behavior in context, based on the RfC. This is very hard, because the RfC quotes him out of context; I can't fairly analyze a quote that way. Working through the threads to do post mortems is extremely time consuming.

Would you please send me one or two links to a discussion of some length, representing BDs worst behavior? It should include more than just one or two isolated remarks.

Please leave it at my talk page under User talk:Paul Klenk#BG777 Worst-Of Threads, trying not duplicate a thread submitted someone else. I will continue to sort through the RfC, but one or two links would be a great help. Thanks.

paul klenk 07:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I am sorry my message was confusing. I was hoping I did not have to go into length. To answer your questions:

I am looking for a section in time of talk page history where BD gave one of his "worst-of" performances. Perhaps you could indicate this with a beginning link, and tell me how many hours I should look at in that thread, say, 10 AM Sept 3 to 8 PM Sept 3. The problem I am having with tons of isolated quotes is, I have to do all the work to find out the context of the remark. I cannot evaluate someone fairly based on a ton of quotes, taken out of context, listed on a page. If it were you being evaluated, you would want someone to know why you said what you did, who you said it to, what the comments followed, etc. etc. The RfC does not provide this very well. It is asking people to "take their word for it" that, in context, the remarks were unjustifiable.

I actually took it upon myself to carefully review two very long threads of conversation involving BigDaddy. Although I saw many of the behaviors the RfC complains about (and I believe BD should shape up), his comments really didn't seem so bad compared to what other people were slinging at him. Mostly he was making colorful but well-worded arguments, defending his case, and objecting that people were not addressing the arguments (they weren't). Instead they were objecting to how he was wording them, and whining a lot. After spending two hours doing a very detailed analysis, comment by comment, on each side of the arguments, I couldn't believe how little was there, but couldn't bring myself to search and search for something with more weight. That's why I asked you to. Out of respect for the process, I thought it only fair to let someone from that page really prove their case. Tons of isolated quotes do not prove this case.

I left my request on the talk pages of 1] the three original signatories, Hip, Kizz, and Calico, plus a bunch of co-signers on the list below -- but not all. I just ran out of time. If I missed a person in particular, such as Kate, it was not for any particular reason. I someone did not endorse the RfC, then I did not leave them the message.

paul klenk 11:03, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Roger Federer's Playing Style

Please consider undeleting the wiki entry on Roger Federer's playing style. Federer is considered by many to be technically the best player to ever play the game of tennis. This entry was a very well researched look into the game that is so admired. 68.74.240.2

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Calle Ciega

"The result of the debate was delete." Shurely you mean "...keep"? — JIP | Talk 11:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Price Anderson again

Ben is again declaring that we're post-mediation, and introducing strongly POV statements.

I'm inclined to agree that we need a new mediator, as Uncle Ed has resigned his bureaucrat status and seems to be less involved overall. Simesa 14:46, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

AFDs

hm...... you're right. Isn't that curious? Maybe it's because I smell better. · Katefan0 18:29, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Go look at it. · Katefan0 19:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/BigDaddy777

Since you endorsed the original RfC , I thought you might be interested to know that since the dispute resolution process has stalled due to BigDaddy's refusal to respond to this RfC, some are now questioning whether an RfAr should be filed. Your comments on this new issue would be appreciated. 69.121.133.154 05:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Kari Byron

A prior nomination for Kari Byron occurred during July 12, 2005. See Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Kari Byron and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kari Byron. Just letting you know. I don't know if you want to correct the nomination or what... but the old one should be shoved in an archive or something. --AllyUnion (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Kari Byron is a nomination from July 3, 2005 14:26 (UTC).
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kari Byron is a nomination from 11:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

We are moving all subpages out of the Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. --AllyUnion (talk) 00:44, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Requested

Per community consensus, Arbitration has been requested against BigDaddy777. Please add any details or comments you feel are appropriate. Mr. Tibbs 04:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

WoowooKitty writes: "And if you were actually civil to people like kizzle and others, you wouldn't even be up for an arbcom. Just a heads up. --Woohookitty 06:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)"

Hmmm..Civility. You mean like writing a complete stranger "I'm sure you will now call me a Commie pinko liberal for daring to contradict you."? Just curious... Big Daddy. Well, at least I know that comment wasn't disrespectful. Because...well....you told me it wasn't. Big Daddy 10:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

You know when you 'garbage collect' like that on a rfa page, it kinda reminds me of how the POV warriors collect a litany of slams against Karl Rove in an attempt to poison his page. Isn't that coincidental? Your pal, Big Daddy. Ps But, I thought you 'We're only trying to help!' lol! Bummer, that I sniffed you out from day one, huh? Big Daddy 12:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/WikiProject Vietnam War

Two votes a consensus does not make. -St|eve 20:46, 2 October 2005 (UTC)