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Russia articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 9 17 29 31 1 87 FL 2 4 6 2 14 FM 96 96 A 2 3 12 12 29 GA 28 39 117 226 3 413 B 220 297 522 771 248 2,058 C 359 634 1,290 3,014 823 6,120 Start 436 1,529 6,443 14,654 1 2,523 25,586 Stub 12 231 4,105 45,227 49 3,607 53,231 List 70 96 437 3,290 36 246 4,175 Category 18,337 18,337 Disambig 178 178 File 460 460 Portal 21 21 Project 134 134 Redirect 2 518 1,789 2,309 Template 3,909 3,909 NA 21 3,885 3,906 Other 120 120 Assessed 1,138 2,850 12,963 67,766 29,015 7,451 121,183 Unassessed 370 1,365 1,735 Total 1,138 2,850 12,963 68,136 29,015 8,816 122,918 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 478,182 Ω = 5.47

Russian Ground Forces

Russian Ground Forces has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parrot of Doom (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages 0.7 articles have been selected for Russia

Misplaced Pages 0.7 is a collection of English Misplaced Pages articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Misplaced Pages talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Misplaced Pages:Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Misplaced Pages 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Romanization

Hello... here there are some water polo player whose names have been romanized with (I think) a french style. Is it a mistake, or what? Happy editing, --Remulazz (talk) 19:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:RUS for the Russian romanization guidelines. If the names need to be corrected (i.e., the variants used are not "conventional" as defined by WP:RUS), feel free to let me know if you need help correcting them. I can't say whether the spelling is conventional or not, because I know nothing about water polo. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I was wrong. I didn't noticed the redirects. Sorry. --Remulazz (talk) 20:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I haven't noticed the redirects myself, or I would have just told you to go ahead and correct them :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I have no time for correcting... I'm doing the same job right now on itwiki (I work there). Bye, --Remulazz (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Gay culture in Russia

New article Gay culture in Russia has been created, in case anyone is interested in working on it. ElmerBront (talk) 03:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Update on The Russia Portal

• Template:FA-icon– Update: Portal:Russia has recently become a Featured Portal. All of the articles at Portal:Russia in the "Selected article" and "Selected biography" sections are of Featured Quality Status, and there are some great contributors who have churned out interesting WP:DYKs. One area where we could use some more contributors is at Portal:Russia on Wikinews. Thanks to the efforts of folks from this project, for churning out such great high-quality material! Keep up the great work getting articles to Good Article and Featured Quality Status ! Cirt (talk) 21:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Soyuz 2 rename

Soyuz 2 rocket has been proposed to be renamed to Soyuz-2. There is currently a space mission article at Soyuz 2, so it's a non-obvious selection. This is part of a renaming of rocket articles. See Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rocketry/Titles/Poll 70.55.203.112 (talk) 12:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

El Lissitzky at WP:FAR

El Lissitzky has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for overhaul and creation of a single WP:RUSSIA project

Going thru tonnes of Russian articles, I was actually very surprised to find 3 articles that one would probably expect to be featured articles are not; those being Russia, Moscow and Russian language. I was also surprised to find that many articles I expected to exist do not; prime example being many of the Federal government ministries. Then there are other problems such as:

• Naming conventions - very little continuity and no real guidelines for Russian names and articles in wikipedia as a whole - an example is here.
• Categorisation - naming conventions will help somewhat - following other naming conventions will help too - an example of poor categorisation throughout Russian articles - Category:Russian_people
• Article assessment - there are no guidelines for this, and it has resulted in some unusual results. Guidelines are needed.
• Article review - there are no guidelines specific to Russian articles and with more than one project, other projects won't necessarily know of review requests. Additionally, because of the number of projects with very little scope in each, wider community views can be missed. For example, Russian language was a featured article until 23 August 2007. It's featured article review, unfortunately it went unannounced on all Russian projects, apart from this corner
• Collaboration - there is none to very little collaboration on Russian content between the various projects and unfortunately article quality, and perhaps stability, will suffer for it.
• Recruitment/outreach - As we are members of various Russian projects, we took the time to add our name to a list, because we have an interest in a certain (or all) aspect/s of Russia. New members are needed, but how will they find the projects? There needs to be co-ordination to 'recruit' new members; particularly from ru:wiki.
• Scope - just what is the scope for the various projects? Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russian federal subjects has a very narrow yet defined scope; Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russian history has a hazy 'historical' scope; a question being raised here.

What I am suggesting is the following projects be merged into Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Russia and for it to be co-ordinated much like any other all-encompassing project. The projects I am suggest to be merged are:

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Russia - main project
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russian federal subjects
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russian history
• Portal:Russia

Other projects which can be used as guides on how to structure the project could be:

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Australia
• Portal:Australia - a featured portal

By merging all projects into a single project, we can then create "work groups" for specific Russian topics, such as:

• History
• Politics
• Places (geography)
• Culture (language, music, literature, film, etc)
• Biographical
• Society
• Transport
• Economy
• etc

Perhaps others have other ideas.

Of course there needs to be concensus from all projects for a merge and structures be discussed, etc, but firstly, there needs to be discussion on the pros and cons of such an idea. I have posted this on the other project talk pages, and have asked that all discussion take place here so that all projects can read off the same page. --Russavia 04:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This looks like a good idea to me, and probably doesn't require anyone to give anything up. Have a look at the well-coordinated WikiProject Military history. —Michael Z. 2008-10-02 05:36 z

I would most certainly oppose the Featured Portal, Portal:Russia itself being "merged" with anything else, as it is meant to be a standalone portal and is completely different from a WikiProject. The rest of the stuff does indeed sound interesting and good ideas. Cirt (talk) 07:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The portal is not getting merge, i don't agree with that but i do agree that we should merge the other Russian related projects. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree with that part too. Cirt (talk) 07:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Can we all continue discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Russia/Proposal, as other project members may not see this here. --Russavia 07:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Soviet/Russian names for Eastern Front operations

Moved from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russia/Russia-related Misplaced Pages notice board

I am currently exploring ideas on how to ensure that articles about Soviet Eastran frontOperations re named with their proper names, for example Dnepr-Carpathian Strategic Offensive Operation and not Battle of West Ukraine (1944). This is not the only case, and if anyone has ideas to contribute, I would appreciate them on my talk page. Eventually I will take this issue to the Village Pump because of the voting used as a "consensus" to disallow full name usage--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 09:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• What are proper names (translations from the Soviet history of WWII, translations from German history, established English names - all three may be different and multi-layered)? It's not just names; the scope may be incompatible to the point where it is impossible to reconcile their battle with our operation. NVO (talk) 00:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Kremlin photos now available for the project

Yesterday I received official authorisation from the Kremlin to use their site materials on Wikimedia projects under CC Attribution Unported 3.0 licence. We are now able to use any materials from the Kremlin website. If used, please upload to Commons, and use Template:Kremlin.ru {{Kremlin.ru}}. This will provide the necessary authorisation on images, and will also place materials automatically in commons:Category:Kremlin.ru. Make use of this great resource. --Russavia 23:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Education in Russia

has been recently revamped (and still is...). Join the party, let's bring it to FA status! NVO (talk) 16:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

NVO, Russian education isn't my specialty, perhaps you can tell me what I can do, and I will help wherever I can. --Russavia 20:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

FAR

Russian–Circassian War has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domiy (talk • contribs) 22:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Ilya Kormiltsev

help needed to prevent deletion of the article. Ilya Kormiltsev, poet, translator, the head of the radical publisher Ultra Kultura and a former songwriter for the Soviet rock band Nautilus Pompilius, died in London.

Deprodding it (removing the prod tag as you did) was all that's necessary. If the article is listed on AfD, adding a few references should be enough to save it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Republic of Karelia location articles

WPK (talk · contribs) has been moving a bunch of Republic of Karelia articles from their transliterated Russian names to the Finnish names for these towns. There's possible move requests on these articles, and I would ask that other project members take a look at these, and help to come to some consensus on where Karelian articles could be located at. --Russavia 16:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

New geography stub types

All stubs dealing with Russian geographical topics now have new stub types based upon individual Federal subject, rather than the previous Federal district stubs. A full list of the new stubs can be found at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russia/Templates. Please use the new stub templates in future. Cheers --Russavia 19:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Russian national costumes

Hi all. There's an image which I'm trying to identify the content of - it's been reported that the people in it are possibly wearing some kind of Russian traditional costume, rather than Greek ones as was claimed in the metadata. If anyone could take a look and confirm this, it'd be great - the image is now on Talk:Greek Canadians with a comment. Shimgray | talk | 11:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Kosmos-1

Hi, I noticed that Kosmos-1 has been tagged as under the jurisdiction of this project, and I was wondering why. It was a Soviet system which was out of service long before the dissolution of the USSR. What relevance does this have to Russia? Wouldn't it be better under the Soviet Union WikiProject? --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 08:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:RUSSIA deals with the history of the RSFSR, to which Kosmos-1 is related. That said, there is, of course, nothing wrong with tagging the article for both WP:RUSSIA and WP:SU. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering why there are two different projects to begin with... quite an artificial division. The good point is, nobody owns the articles, and the talk page can be tagged with any relevant WP (how about Kazakhstan?).NVO (talk) 19:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The projects are being created by folks who intend to work on specific areas, so no wonder there is always going to be some overlap. WP:SU members, for example, may have no interest in editing articles about modern Russia (or Kazakhstan, Ukraine, etc., for that matter), and WP:RUSSIA members may have no interest in the history of the former Soviet Republics. It's just how the projects have been set up—based on fairly arbitrary decisions based on the conveniences of the moment. Projects are most certainly not based on the concept of "owning" the articles, but more of the declarations of intent (to work on smth. together).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Help request: 1028 Russia-related articles needing geographical coordinates

Based on a search of Misplaced Pages's articles related to Russia, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in Russia, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.

The articles in question are listed in Category:Russia articles missing geocoordinate data. At the time of writing, some examples included:

1. Chetyrekh River
2. Dobrun
3. Elokhovo Cathedral
4. Gothic Chapel (Peterhof)
5. Greshnevo, Yaroslavl Oblast
6. Kholmogorsky District
7. Ligovka-Yamskaya Municipal Okrug

...and there are many more, as well. At the time of posting this notice, there were 1028 articles in this category needing geographical coordinates.

Why add coordinates?

By adding coordinates, a Misplaced Pages reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Misplaced Pages overlay, Google Earth, and Misplaced Pages's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.

How can I do it?

The articles are all marked with {{coord missing}} tags, which need to be replaced with {{coord}} tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Misplaced Pages:Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members.

Please let me know if this is useful, or if there is any way I can help. -- The Anome (talk) 11:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Netrat/Beshnova

Would anyone like to collaborate on User:Netrat/Beshnova before I move it to article namespace? Netrat (talk) 14:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Umm, not to be a party pooper or anything, but how is this a notable subject? All of the references you've collected so far are from the news sources, and Misplaced Pages, as we all know, is not a news site. Looks like a perfect candidate for Wikinews, but definitely not as an encyclopedic article.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

There is a strong DPNI campaign that uses the murder as a pretext to roundup the illegal immigration to Russia. There are also reponses that DPNI misrepresents the story. Because of this there is a significant media coverage. I am not sure we should we go into this mess but if we do we should care about neutrality Alex Bakharev (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Move/rename Russian Alaska -> Russian America_Russian_America-2008-10-29T15:59:00.000Z">

Please see move/rename discussion at Talk:Russian Alaska.Skookum1 (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)_Russian_America"> _Russian_America">

Russian ships in the Pacific Northwest/British Columbia Coast

Please be advised that Russian ships from the fur trade era and after are part of List of ships in British Columbia; we don't know much about a lot of them other than mentions; if someone here specializes in Russian naval history please go over the list and start any articles/titles that interest you....thanks.Skookum1 (talk) 16:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Artyom Borovik

I am having problems with an editor at the Artyom Borovik article. I have edited the article so that both the fringe conspiracy theories and the investigation into his death are covered equally. You can see this version here. The other editor has created this version instead. There has been some discussion on the talk page, but I do not feel that this editor is going to see the problem. One thing I haven't mentioned at the talk page is that the article is by no means long enough to require footnotes, and what is in the other editors version is only a few words of the investigation (which was widely reported), which is then fobbed off by including speculation which we can't fact check for ourselves. All in all it is indicative of problems surrounding a lot of Russian articles, in which fringe theories are given too much prevalence, without balance to all views. Can project members please provide their opinions, and don't be afraid of calling me a dick. --Russavia 17:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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