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Sick joke

It seems that you are making dead threats to the president of Georgia at your userpage. Surely this sort of sick jokes are against some wiki-rule. I advice you to remove the picture or I will report your behaviour to a wikipedia administrator. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

And when one begins censoring humour, one realises that they are living in a totalitarian society. When one gasses millions in extermination camps, one is not spared of death, nor of his place in hell. Why should someone who shelled residential districts of a single city be spared from that fate? A war criminal is a war criminal, irrespective of his nationality. In fact I see nothing funny how a President of a nation to whom we thank for great men like Bagration, Basilashvili, Okudzhava, Akunin and many many others, could cast such a mortal blow to nearly 200 years of common history. Shame on him, and on his parents for not using condoms on that unfortunate night. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 00:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm strongly against the dead penalty and people who shell residential districts belong in jail for life. By the way thanks for trying to safe the Yulia (Tymoshenko) picture from deleting! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem, any other issue let me know. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 21:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's be calm

I understand that your views on the matter may be strong, especially if you personally witnessed the shelling of the civilian city ordered by this man. But still, it is a bad idea to excessively politicize your page. And per the Misplaced Pages guideline Misplaced Pages:USERPAGE#What may I not have on my user page? I will remove this image. Please do not restore it. You may feel this way but the Misplaced Pages is simply the wrong place for such message. --Irpen 00:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Right or wrong, may the bastard burn in hell for the atrocities he caused. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 00:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with Irpen on this one. Besides, how can you consider yourself to be better than that man when you are propagating hate just the same?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

That's the point, I don't believe in accomplishing hanging Saakashvili (the same way that Nuremberg war criminals were hanged) by shelling and destroying Tiflis. As I said above, its a tragedy that hits any person with Georgian and Russian roots, effectively splitting them in half. Which is why, the gallow is for Saakashvili and Saakashvili alone. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 21:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Ezhiki. In any case I don't think we even need to go into comparing whose "hate" is worse, Kuban's hate of the man who Kuban sees as a mass murderer or that person's fanaticism and indifference to the fate of the people he even claims to see as the citizens of the country he leads. This is all besides the point. I respect anyone's right to free speech and Kuban is free to advocate his views on the situation and its perpetrators. It's just that due to the goals of this project, Free Speech here is more restricted on Misplaced Pages than in, say, press or internet fora. We have a guideline that regulates what one can and what one can't keep on his userpage. It prohibits political statements, particularly of an excessively divisive nature. I saw plenty of divisive userboxes and statements that condemn or ridicule other Wikipedians, advocate sexual lifestyles, ideological views, and some go as far as call for partitioning the sovereign states. I mostly shrug and move on. But when other users in good faith find something particularly offensive to their tastes, it is best to honor their requests and take the disputable content down, especially since there is a policy that addresses that even though it is one of the least enforced policies. This was the sole reason why I requested Kuban to tone it down. In doing so I am not in any way making any judgment about his views on matter. --Irpen 17:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, declarative infoboxes such as those you've described, while divisive, can still be useful in that that they allow for one's POV to be kept in check. Not the case with a hateful picture Kuban removed "for size reasons", leaving, however, the link and the caption. Yes, my main objection to it (as is yours) is WP policy, but I guess I also cannot understand how a man (yet alone a self-described devout follower of Orthodox Christianity) can accuse another man of various atrocities and hate yet employ the exact same rhetorics and hateful attitude and see nothing wrong with that. So my question is more of an expression of personal wonderment rather than anything else. That said, however, you are quite right in reminding me that this kind of wonderment is best expressed outside of Misplaced Pages because it simply does not belong here. But then, again, neither does this picture, a link to it, and its disgusting caption.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I personally think a text like: Saakashvili shelled residential districts and belongs in jail for life or this userbox: User:Niikhk/Saakashvili would be more tasteful. I personally think a userpage should give some sort of explanation why a user edit's the way he does. I never edit about Tibet so I don't have a free Tibet userbox (any more). Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

In all that's said above, Ezhiki, if you delete this image, I shall blank my userpage for all its worth. When people support those that brought extreme suffering to themselves and other people (like more than 400 thousand Russians, Ukrainains and Georgians, and many others formerly living in Chechnya) are endorsed by an official ribbon, (NOT a makeshift caption via a flag etc.) how does that not violate a core wikipedian policy of WP:USERPAGE? I see no place in article mainspace where that image can be used, so why should wikipedia endorse the existance of such an image?

Now wrt my views, let I remind people, that irrespective of all what happened, I do not blame Georgians. Saakashvili was a foreign puppet who was sent there in transforming once a fine and proud republic into a staging base and use his own people as cannon meat (see the history of South Vietnam for an identical parallel). Its bad enough that his predecessors, using rhetorics like Georgia for Georgians provoked two civil wars in the early 1990s. Despite my support for Abkhazia, given that my brother lives there, and his wife is Abkhaz, until recently when asked me what to do with that state, criterion #1 was the return of ALL Georgian refugees, and only then could the leadership of that state be recognised as independent. Unfortunately Saakashvili put an end to all those hopes, as he put an end to ever returning Abkhazia and South Osetia into Georgia. My message for the Georgian people is that when one volunteers to be a pawn in a major game of chess, rarely will it cross the board to become a queen. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 21:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The image cannot be deleted for the simple reason that, in itself, it violates nothing. As for its being encyclopedic, it (or, rather, its svg version) is used in the green ribbon article, where it perfectly belongs (although the statement pertaining to it would better be sourced, which it currently is not). The problem is with the users who choose to display the image to promote and/or advertise their own worldviews (your userpage in those regards isn't any better—you are simply displaying an opposing set of ribbons). While I cannot express my attitude towards these infoboxes any more eloquently than this (said regarding a different, but similar case), I still believe that divisive statements do not belong on Wikipedians' userpages because they are bad for the project, undermining it slowly but surely. Hence, this.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 02:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Fully agree. Let me share a personal story. When I was yet a not so experienced Wikipedian there was a huge political turmoil in my country. I had misgivings about certain supporters of both camps but still my political preference lied in the direction of progress and change. But when the events unraveled and it became obvious that one side tried such an inpudent and shameless attempt to simply steal the nationawide election I was enraged. I am not politically obsessed generally, but this felt like something exceptional. Now, looking back I feel I was scammed anyway (I still do not regret my choice) but back then I considered adding a political symbol to my userpage. In the end, I chose not to because I thought it would not fit the goals of this project. Despite I was a very inexperienced Wikipedian at the time, looking back now I am very satisfied that I made that choice back then. I still keep my userpage politics free with an exception that I do once a year. Well, everyone is only human. Some reverences are ingrained in us too deep to hold them inside. Cheers, --Irpen 03:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for chancing your userpage Kuban and remember that Beauty will save the world! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 18:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Republic navboxes

Hi. Sorry to revert the colour changes to the Soviet republic navigation templates. The Soviet flag and small coat of arms are already redundant, and serve more than adequately to identify this family of templates. Adding big fields of red colour serves no further function. Not only is it purely decorative, but it is distracting visually overwhelming any Misplaced Pages functional graphical interface element or article content, including photos, maps, or content graphics. Finally, Misplaced Pages interface elements shouldn't be dressed up in the regalia of any political entity, much less polarizing ones such as communist or Nazi regimes.

The guideline WP:CLN lists “consistent look” as an advantage of navboxes, and “unsightly coloring schemes” as a potential disadvantage (of course it's debatable, but as sure as a significant minority would find the prominent red to be an improvement would another consider it an eyesore which reduces readability). The essay WP:Navigation templates encourages standardization, and #Properties specifically says that “navigation templates are not arbitrarily decorative ... There should be justification for a template to deviate from standard colors and styles.”

Cleaning up the look of these templates is part of the ongoing process of WP:Template standardisation. If you would like to diverge from these common practices so widely, please let's discuss this at an appropriate talk page and see if the idea is supported by consensus at the relevant national portals or wikiprojects.

Thanks for understanding. —Michael Z. 2008-09-24 20:19 z

Merging Russian projects into one project - your input requested

Hi, you are receiving this message as you are a member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russian history. I have made a proposal to merge several Russian related projects into WP:RUSSIA. You can view the proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Russian_history#Proposal_for_overhaul_and_creation_of_a_single_WP:RUSSIA_project. As a member of the Russian history project, your input is requested; so that all editors are reading off the same page please limit discussion to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Russia/Proposal. We all look forward to your input. --Russavia 10:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Baku Metro

Hi. Thanks for congrats. Here's the latest news about the new metro station: I think the use of authentic Azeri script is a good idea, on the other hand do you think we should provide English spelling too in some form? And you are absolutely right, Baku Railway Terminal definitely needs an article, I'll get it done when I have some time, if you noticed I'm not much active in en:wiki right now due to being busy with other things, but I will be back to regular editing soon. Thanks for the outstanding work on railway articles, keep it up. --Grandmaster (talk) 06:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Ukrainain rulers

I agree with you to a degree. There is a widespread view, held by the vast majority of ukrainains (I tried to find an article on the social poll and research done on this issue that I saw few months back, but couldn't find it, I will let you know when I do), that modern Ukraine evolved continutously from Kievan Rus. This was developed by a prominent Ukrainian historians Mykhailo Hrushevskyi and Dmytro Doroshenko, thus my list is not an original thought and it has nothing to do with the soapbox. The article about this historical trend is on the way (if I have time to finish).

Just as you, I can argue that Tsardom of Russia never actually exitsed, since it was not recognized by most countries of that time. Russia, as a subject of international law, came into existence during Peter the Great. So all the tsars and princes before should be given a separate list, something like Rulers of Moskovia and emerging Russia.

Regarding Crimean Khans, I have no problem with you putting Kazan, or Astrakhan khans in the Russian rulers list. This would make me only happy, because they will be given a due credit that they never get.

By your logic the rulers of Old Bulgaria have no business being there at all, however you have not deleated them. I put them there only for reference.

Lastly, this is a comprehensive list that encompasses all who controlled Ukraine, Ukrainian territory or a signifficant part of, that is why I put a disclaimer on top. Ukraine as we know it, had never had a sovereign ruler. During Kiev Rus it was ruled by several princes, of which Grand Prince of Kiev was only a vague consult. In some cases, like with Novgorod or western Ukraine, he had no real power at all, furthermore, numerous occasions when Grand Prince of Kiev was expelled by the people or had to get their permission to make a decision, and the existence of laws that defined authority (Rus'ka Pravda and others) puts it closer to the realm of Constitutional monarchy. I will prolong this list till the modern presidents. --Ivan2007 (По-балакаем?) 14:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi man, thank you a bunch for the link you sent me, very impressive! I have really no problem with anybody considering Kiev Rus as a precursor state of Russian Tsardom (and I personally do not deny that it existed), there is without a doubt a succession. On the note of “Ukrainian identity developed continuously since the time of Kievan Rus”, if you are interested I can let you know what I mean. I cannot post it here because it is still very much a draft and without citations would be more of, as you said an original thought. But for a well rounded person as you it should make sense. Let me know. Thank you again. --Ivan2007 (По-балакаем?) 2:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look

At what is going on at the Russians page. God of Sins (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

New article Conversion of Chelm Eparchy

Greetings, I've written a new article. It's based on one source and I would greatly appreciate if you or someone else could add to it, with an Orthodox viewpoint (albeit one using reliable sources, of course), so that it is more balanced. While on the subject of Uniatism, I've recently discovered the article on Josaphat Kuntsevych which probably needs some major de-POVing. Regards, Faustian (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, as assistance have a look at Kholm Governorate and also at this link about the events of 1830s. I'll look at it later. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 12:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiNews

Hello, come to WikiNews to help us all work with Georgian-Abkhazian conflict and other topics. the quality of the section is quite far from ideal now, and it looks like they really need good editors. Please, let me know of your decisionFeelSunny (talk) 13:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Uncivility on WP:AN/I

Hi,

In this edit of yours, you're accusing Hillock65 of warring with you, and calling Piotrus with rather bad names. While I disagree with your assessment on the first point, I understand that this may be considered a part, however unpleasant, of legitimate dispute presentation, and is probably best discussed in the same thread. However, Piotrus is not a party to this conflict; such an off-handed way to call him "POV-pusher and stalker" is very rude. Since personal attacks are prohibited under Misplaced Pages's policy, you'd do wisely to remove that part, and to apologise.

Thanks in advance for your coöperation, Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 22:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I suggest exercises some restraint if you choose to respond to this (including the edit summaries) for obvious reasons. --Irpen 23:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I advice him to rename his dog to "Yulia Tymoshenko" :) -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually there is a good reason to do that. See this story: :) -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

The Arbcom case may make this unnecessary, but to put my comments on the record here - you are violating assume good faith, no personal attacks, and treat other editors in a civil manner. These are important policies to the Misplaced Pages community.

Whether arbcom takes the case or not - your violations are unacceptable, and further abuses will be subject to block by myself or other administrators. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom

This is to inform you that an ArbCom case has been intiated, where you are a party. You may want to add your statement here. --Hillock65 (talk) 04:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not gonna get heavy involved at any "arbitration", since I find it a waste of time (see this Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus 2/Workshop mess...) -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:St volokolamskaya 1.jpg

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Olga Kurylenko

Can you keep a look out at the Olga Kurylenko article, some non-acount editors try to make her French and Russian without giving any or bad references. Finally Ukraine got a nice poster board and then some bullies in the playground try to steal her and give her to there country. She clearly only mentions her Ukrainian heritage in her interviews. The Russians should finally learn Ukraine (and Georgia etc.) are not part of there country any more! People who speak Russian are Russian(?), why isn't Mozart German then? If those editors really want to do Olga a favour the should protest against the raising of Russian Gas prices in Ukraine instead of claiming only the good bits from Ukraine, I'm fat up with this ethnicity kind of thinking. Everybody from Ukraine is a Ukrainian!, people who look at ethnicity first are semi-Nazi's to me! -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kuban Kazak-Hillock65

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kuban Kazak-Hillock65/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kuban Kazak-Hillock65/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Tznkai (talk) 00:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

ANI of Biophys

Hello Comrade Komissar, I have responded here. Whilst the suggestion that this be done via arbcom, is a suggestion only, I too feel that this needs to be dealt with at the Admin level. User:Moreschi, who is an admin, was quick to jump on the bandwagon in pushing for Miyokan's banning, and my blocking, for exactly the same type of action that Biophys has engaged in at the Arbcom. Under no circumstances should you give any personal information out in order to prove to Biophys, or anyone else for that matter, who you are or aren't. Just because another editor is prone to egregious nuttery and paranoia, this does not mean that you are under any requirement to disclose your real-life identity if you don't wish to. I would also advise you to step back from WP:BATTLE conditions; we don't need the hostility here on WP. You are not a nutter; you are not a paranoid editor. As I have said to other people, and will say so right here and right now; don't respond to hostility with hostility in return - don't respond to it at all. If people can't be WP:CIVIL in their discussions with you, make it clear to them that you will not discuss anything with them until such time as civility is provided. Let these editors do themselves a disservice and let their own true colours shine through. Don't get dragged down by them, and you aren't a fish, so don't take the WP:BAIT. --Russavia 10:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)