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Change water to oil

You are not Chinese. You don't know how important this event is. If this article should be deleted, why does Dihydrogen monoxide hoax exist? Dihydrogen monoxide hoax is only a joke! In developed countries, incidents such as "Change water to oil" is nothing at all because people have better science knowlege. However, in China of 1980s, few people have enough knowledge about conservation of elements. Don't always think things in your way. Alonso McLaren (talk) 10:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless you can provide some reliable sources, the article may be deleted because of verifiability and original research concerns. This article also shows the subject in a negative light, which potentially violates WP:BLP - if that is the case, then the article may be placed for speedy deletion as a BLP violation. Notability here is also a big issue, with a Google search yielding no results whatsoever. --Flewis 10:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What about the new version? It is impossible to find it on Google indeed. But you can search "水变油" in http://www.baidu.com http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%CB%AE%B1%E4%D3%CD Alonso McLaren (talk) 10:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC) You put so much "citation needed". How can I explain? This is a translation from Chinese wikipedia.Alonso McLaren (talk) 11:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC) Don't proclaim yourself as a policeman of Misplaced Pages just like the USA does in the world.Alonso McLaren (talk) 11:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The English Misplaced Pages differs from Chinese Misplaced Pages in the sense that here, all claims/assertions require a source for verification (See WP:CITE for more info on this matter). The problem with this article, is that it simply contains too many unverified claims. I found a couple of sources in Chinese, but those alone may not be enough to keep the article.--Flewis 11:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

You had better send this article to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 November 8 ‎and let others to discuss, instead of judging by yourself.Alonso McLaren (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 11:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC).

Hey there Flewis, I just stumbled across the article Change water to oil. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I think anyone can remove Prod tags from articles, even if they created them... It's only speedy tags that article creators shouldn't remove. Perhaps you should consider nominating the article for deletion? Cheers Nouse4aname (talk) 11:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I've placed the article up for AFD here if you're interested. . .--Flewis 11:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries. For what it's worth, I agree with your reasoning, and have expressed my opinion at the AfD. It's a shame that we can't find any sources, as it seems like an interesting topic, I kind of hope some can be found! Have a good day! Nouse4aname (talk) 12:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Talkback

Follow-up to old ANI thread

My final (rather long) post here (now archived) didn't get any response there, so as I said there I am following up on people's talk pages to try and clarify what will happen in future cases, and then I'm moving on. Are you happy to agree that snowball deletes are not needed for suspected hoax articles, and that they should be allowed to run the full length of time at an AfD debate? Carcharoth (talk) 11:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you that AFD's should be allowed to run for at least 24 hours in such cases. Indeed, I proposed re-opening the debate, however in this particular case, the community (via ANI) raised no objections in deleting the article, so it seemed to be an 'obvious' (if I may say so) candidate for deletion. I do agree that the AFD was handled rather hastily, however no-one seems to have any regrets over the deletion and as yet, no-one has found sources contradicting the allegations - a sure sign that the article was, in fact a hoax. --Flewis 12:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but I'm not disputing that people think the article is a hoax. My point about AfD and speedy deletions stands regardless of whether it was a hoax or not. The point is that AfD has a wider range of article editors reading it than ANI. You (I think) asked for Civil War experts and people who would know about 19th century African-American lawyers, but you were asking that question in the wrong venue. ANI regulars are unlikely to know that. There was also no link from the AfD to the longer ANI debate. The other point is that someone had asked at the MILHIST US Civil War taskforce, but only one person replied there, and they said the article has been deleted, so the process fell down there as well. Would you agree that it looks bad when someone asks at a WikiProject for opinions on something, and then the article gets deleted before anyone at that project has a chance to offer an opinion? My point is, and always has been, that if this had turned out to be a genuine article, we might have missed something that others would have spotted. Hence the need for a full debate. I'm not even sure that 24 hours is enough, though I will concede that a snowball delete after less than five days might be OK. But only if the sources have been thoroughly debunked. There is a different between a snowball delete based on the initial (flawed) comment by the nominator, and a snowball delete after several different sources have been checked. There are some people that think even if something isn't a hoax, that it is OK to delete and then undelete if someone later spots something, but there is no reason to bypass the checks and balances - there are reasons why those checks and balances are there: the years of experience some people (not me) have had in deletion debates. Carcharoth (talk) 19:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

As I mentioned previously, I would be happy to re-open the debate on this article to assuage any any doubts (I didn't post to ANI mindlessly!). Otherwise, in general AFD should generally run the entire length, unless the article warrants a speedy deletion. In this situation the length of the AFD was debatable, but as a couple of editors mentioned on ANI - there is no point arguing over it any longer unless you're prepared to re-open the AFD discussion. In my opinion the hoax creator acted with premeditation - continued hyperbole and time-wasting following the deletion of his/her article is exactly what they had in mind. . .--Flewis 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy tagging

Hi there. I've just removed some speedy tags which you've placed on several articles, because I don't think they meet the relevant criteria.

• John J. O'Connor (mathematician), a mathematician who runs a possibly significant website
• Guido karp, numerous significant credits and two "Music Photographer of the Year" awards (whatever that may be)
• Baleshwar Rai Chief secretary of Goa, while I'm not familiar with the details of Goan politics, this sounds like a significant post, and it cites a good source
• Camp Curtis Not a person, organisation or website (though on closer examination it's a copyvio of this)

Please be more careful about speedy tagging, as this is the sort of thing which is guaranteed to put new contributors off Misplaced Pages. CSD#A7 was introduced to allow us to deal quickly with "vanity" articles about blatantly non-notable people. "Joe Bloggs is a schoolboy at Somewhere High School. He supports Manchester United" - that kind of thing. I don't think any of these articles can be compared with that sort of thing. Hence A7 doesn't require proof that an article meets a strict interpretation of our vague and contradictory notability guidelines, just some sort of reasonable claim which might plausibly merit inclusion. Not that I'm not saying that I think all these articles should definitely be kept, just that I don't think they meet the criteria of being obviously hopeless, and that they should be sent to prod or AfD to give more experienced editors the chance to look at them, and possibly fix them, first. Iain99 12:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Of the articles listed above, one has currently been deleted and two are up for AFD. The CSD on Guido karp however was an error on my behalf, owing to the fact that at the time that I had speedied, it contained absolutely no external sources or inline citations and no incoming links (generally a sure-fire way of judging notability). Whether or not tagging borderline-notable articles for speedy deletion is a violation of Wp:Bite, one thing is certain - that if these are articles are not tagged (rightly or wrongly) they tend to slip through the cracks and go unnoticed for months or even years. I generally do tag for CSD with caution, and if the Speedy-deletion is declined I report the article to AFD to allow the community to decide. To conclude, I am human, and our-kind tend to make mistakes every so often - this has turned out to be one of them. All I can do is apologize and notify you that In the future I will tag with increased caution. Thanks for the concern --Flewis 12:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Nexus

Flewis. There are many bullshit entries on the NexusTK page. I was simply trying to correct them, having been a player of the game for 8+ years now, I know my shit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.185.99 (talk • contribs)

"Knowing your shit" without providing sources constitutes "original research". In any case, removing content without an explanation is the easiest way to get someone on RC Patrol to revert your edits :) - if your into that stuff, that is. --Flewis 14:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Kindly see my edit . I only deleted un-sourced info that formed WP::THESIS as per There has not a single international attack by any Sikh extremist group in the past twenty years and neither is any such group active in any NATO country. The war on terror does not add up and neither does Sikhism tag. And i only removed blogs which are not reliable sources. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.96.132.21 (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Correct - I see my error. Significant removal of content from an ip is usually reverted due to the preconceived notion that they are vandalizing. I urge you to create an account to avoid any further accidental-vandalism-reverts. Thanks once again for the message --Flewis 14:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Flewis

Hey there Flewis, how are you today? Had to throw any vandals in Wikiprison yet? :) DJ MeXsTa (talk) 15:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I have, but they keep breaking out! I'm looking for a maximum-security solution, but as yet, nothing is working. On a separate issue, I see that like me, you love fighting vandalism on wikipedia. Have you thought about installing Twinkle - its an easy wiki feature that allows you to revert vandalism in the blink of an eye. Try and give it a go. Once you get hooked, you'll never go back :) --Flewis 15:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I've tried and despite one of the Admins created the monobook.js page, i cant seem to bypass the cache on Firefox (I've done what it said), Any ideas? As for the vandalism bit, i'm not that good because i just read through the Misplaced Pages page about Vandalism and it seems the things i think are vandalism..... aren't. You got SR2 on X360? Everyone on my list is on GoW2 and won't come join me. DJ MeXsTa (talk) 15:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

To bypass you cache on Firefox hold down Ctrl+Shift+R - (twinkle doesn't work with IE) or delete your browsing history, restart Firefox and re-log in. You'll know that Twinkle has been activated once you see extra tabs at the very top of the page. Also, a great way to start of reverting vandalism is with the Lupin Anti-vandal Tool. Install that in you monobook.js page and see how you go. On a side note, I don't have an Xbox :( - but PC isn't really that bad! Cheers --Flewis 15:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol, from your last comment i'm guessing you get bored on your PC... Join the Microsoft Revolution and get an Xbox then lol. Much better than the Playstation 3 in my opinion because of the fact that the NXE (well, parts of it) come out on 19th November and that's gunna be awesome. You considering getting a Games Console? DJ MeXsTa (talk) 15:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I've always been an Xbox fan, 'just never got around to buying one!--Flewis 15:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

They're not that expensive now. 20GB Xbox 360 Premium is about £170.00 (GBP) in GAME...... Or are you a bit lazy and cba to go buy it? lol. If you got a other half, get him/her to get it :P DJ MeXsTa (talk) 15:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Guess Im a little lazy :) - just can't be stuffed by a new console now. Thanks for the advice anyway - I'm logging off, real-life intervenes. . . --Flewis 15:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Gah! The monobook.js thing still won't *beep*ing work (Sorry for the language). I've restarted Firefox, I've re-logged in, I've done the buttons.......and still nothing's happening... DJ MeXsTa (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC) ---- You can ignore that now, it seems to be working now. Thank you and have a nice day. DJ MeXsTa (talk) 15:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Guestbook

		The Original Barnstar
		For being the twenty-fifth person to sign my guestbook, and for complimenting my userpage. Ollie Fury Contribs 15:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Flewis 15:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Sikh Extremism

Hi Flewis, thank you for reverting the edit, unfortunately its been vandalized again, but I will reset it. Thanks again for your help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satanoid (talk • contribs) 19:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)