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OK--Child of Midnight. Please elaborate....."Strong Delete This poorly written piece is wholly unencyclopedic and doesn't demonstrate any notability. It's also kind of shocking that something written about educational tools is written in this manner." How is it "poorly" written...because of its format? Why is it shocking that a piece on educational tools is written "in this way." And, what does the phrase "in this way" mean? This poorly written critique lacks substantial evidence to support its claims. If you were an elementary teacher, you'd recognize the notability of the subject. There may be several mistakes in the way this piece is written, but your comments are far from helpful. They are vague and offensive. From your site, it appears as though your development in Misplaced Pages "knowledge" is still developing. Try constructive criticism, why don't you? MiShe11e38 (talk) 00:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

In response to your comments on my talk page:

See your talk page. I've asked questions there. My concerns are lack of constructive feedback. Your critique doesn't give me anything to work with, and appears subjective and trivial. I am new to Misplaced Pages, and obviously am in a learning curve. From your site, it appears you are not that far ahead of me on the learning curve, and thus makes your critiques of my submissions even less valid in my eyes. MiShe11e38 (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The article you've posted isn't consistent with the writing stlye or content appropriate to an encyclopedia.

1)The title for your subject is an essay title not an encyclopedic topic. See: Collaborative learning for a more appropriate title and an article that needs a lot of work where your efforts would be more useful. 2)The way it's written is verbose and seems very much like a how-to guide or an essay.

3)I highly recommend you slow down, and ask for some help and guidance on a better approach for the information you're trying to add. If you don't think I'm a good source you're welcome to type

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on your discussion page with any questions you have. Editors will answer them. Which is pretty cool! And a lot better way to go than rushing trying to save an article that has some fundamental problems that you need to understand FIRST.ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

MiShe11e38 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

When the clock strikes midnight...

Speedy deletion of Joan's on Third

I have responded to the editors who have expressed concerns and am happy to address them with any rewrites or sourcing necessary. I hope I will be given a chance to bring the article up to Misplaced Pages's standards and to demonstrate its notability. Its not just a restaurant, it's one of the premier gourmet food stores in LA, a busy breakfast, lunch and dinner destination for gourmands, and a major caterer for Hollywood elites. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Much, much better! Good job of fixing this article. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 13:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I also congratulate you on good job on the Joan's article, but could you please fix the references - they're a mess. Please look at WP:References and the templates {{cite web}}, {{cite news}} and {{cite press release}} to see how to fix them. Also please work on expanding the lead section. Remember to avoid WP:Not and keep up the good work. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 17:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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RE: Politics of Memory

I'm not sure what exactly your politics of history entails. But the politics of memory I though of had to do something we did in school. It was about Germany moving beyond the war generation. To some extent your "meaning how society and cultural memories are developed and passed on" would be right but it is not "epitomized by the saying 'Hisory is written by the victors.'" Would you like to work together on this? Of course we can incorporate both aspects as they both seem to fit, only definitionally differentiated.

ps- didn't know people read that page ;) Lihaas (talk) 07:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I responded on your page Lihaas. I guess it wasn't hidden well enough? I notice it's at the bottom of the page now...  :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

No, no. I meant my main page, which is where I take it you found the subject. (it was the only place I had put it down). Anyway, I created something (quite a bit). I don't have my Germany sources with me (it was a school paper afterall), I can look to add those sources later on. Meanwhile you should add more that helps your side of it. My perspective wasn't the same as yours initially (although I have since found more such examples), but it can certainly be expanded. (Our pet project, eh?)

I also added a "politics of identity" at the bottom that sort of works with this. but that's longer term goal.

Go ahead and create a redirect (that way we can share credit for the creating the article when it becomes featured (here's hoping!)).

Your quote on the victors was good as it holds in most places. (maybe not in Cyprus though, really a draw there). I also found something brief of native americans, though i left it open to you. you can also remove the tag when your done. (are you from the Americas? b/c most people outside the continents arent quite aware of the same background we come from) We can then also add China and India and African countries (perhaps, as you can see with the rise of nativistic movements, although the term "politics of memory" may not be so strong. but we can work this out in discussion).

ps- you can remove the tag from History of slavery in Iran. Or maybe wait a few days to get WP:Silence for consensus

pps- got a lot of mumbo-jumbo in there. woops. we'll work it out though. Lihaas (talk) 05:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

A generous lad giving my marginable rewrite an award. Too kind! Thank goodness for a sliding scale

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Awarded for extraordinary effort in writing, rewriting, providing in-line citations, supplying references, proofreading, etc. etc., following the AfD nomination of History of slavery in Iran. (And even if it is to be deleted, you still deserve this.) Kudos! Drmies (talk) 19:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Stats

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History of Iran

Hello thank you for you edits on History of Iran it is much liked timur did sudject many men women,children however he was said to have loved the persian launges and so keeped the nobles alive and they sevred him thanks for you edits again please reply on my talk page,

Secthayrabe Ø

You're very welcome. I'm glad you approve. I'm sorry I don't have more expertise to offer in this area, but I've asked for outside help. I've also responded on your discussion page. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes I think we should count it as slavery in Iran bye for now thanks once again,

Secthayrabe Ø

Subkulture

I don't want you to get the wrong idea about what is going on here. What I am trying to do is help you learn Misplaced Pages. I understand how it doesn't make sense at first glance, but after a little experience, you will grow to understand why some of are hard about policies, and quote them a lot.

From my experience, I can tell I like you already. You can disagree without being disagreeable, you will fight for something when you think you are right (without being a jerk). The only problem is that you haven't learned the policies here. That's cool, it takes a little time. Honestly, I think you have the right attitude, just not enough experience. I truly hope you stick around, work on some article, learn the system and stay involved. I think you have something to offer. Yes, I think you are mistaken about this one article, but you know what? I have been here two years, have over 8,000 edits, and yet 10% of the time or more, an AFD will go the opposite way I !voted. It happens a few times a week. Sometimes, I am simply wrong and figure this out after researching their arguments. Sometimes I am *right*, and just outnumbered by people who quickly vote and move on. You can't take it personal. If it gets deleted, you can ask the admin who closes it to move a copy to a sub page of your user page, and you can work on it over time, finding sources that are more clear. Then get an opinion of more experienced people, and when it is ready, recreate it. This is super common.

I just don't want you to get the wrong idea. Honestly, new users do well to start by editing for a while. AFD is a bitch, and you have to be thick skinned. It is easy to get pissed off. Trust me, I still do from time to time. Ok, more often. Anyway, I don't mean to write a book here, I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your attitude in debating, as well as your willingness to work hard to fix something. Stick around, and if you have a question about anything, feel free to ask me on my user page. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 03:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's the link for Goth Record Labels: http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Goth_record_labels

If someone wants to put them up for deletion, I suspect few would survive. My personal preference would be to put ref needed tags on all of them and then wait a few weeks. I think this would also make the case for deletion stronger if and when the time comes, and it would give anyone watching those pages the chance to provide refs to support the notability and verifiability of statements made in the articles.

I'm not against deleting articles that aren't on notable topics. But in my opinion Subkulture meets all the necessary criteria, and they have the references to back up that claim. So I recommend moving on to riper fruit. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

This is a case of "knowing they are notable, in my heart" and "I can show you". The problem is, Misplaced Pages requires "I can show you". As for lower fruit, rarely do I go on a purge hunt, as I instead try to source articles before deleting them, and that takes a while. I know some will just go and put up a bunch for deletion quickly, but that isn't really the policy. When I try and try and try to find sources for an article, but can't and have to !vote delete, at least I do so in good faith and with the full understanding of the lack of sources. Anyways, I would always prefer to find articles to save. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 12:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

your comment

I responded to it there and apologized on the other guy's talk page. You are quite correct--I was reacting more to the general overdeletion of the articles n this topic than to the specific nomination. I intended to be strong, and I intend to be, but I should not have used some of what I said there, but only in a more general context about the attitude towards fiction in general. So, my appreciation for your very appropriate remarks. DGG (talk) 18:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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