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I see you've raised much the same point I did @ EA, presumably without noticing my remarks. See the section Procedure further up the page, & the link from there. Peter jackson (talk) 10:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Tan's comments

I probably would have said something about not pressing Tan when he says that he has some disputes but is supporting anyway. A "support" like that puts me in an odd position, if it is contested (As you did, and the initial question wasn't out of line, necessarily), then I either have to be seen as "putting up with badgering" (perception) or be seen as coming down on you and trying to bury what might be damaging information about me. I posted something to tan's page apologizing for that exchange, but I don't want you to feel like you are being sold out here. Protonk (talk) 22:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject James Bond New Collaboration of the fortnight

 The Windler talk  00:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Zeitgeist

Ehh.. I figure after someone has been told half a dozen times that something isn't reliable, continuing to insert it at the very least borders on vandalism. I'll warn differently in the future.

Love the juggler, by the way.   18:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Inadvandalism is a spectacular word.   18:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem

If you notice, I did attach a smiley :-) It's frustrating to try to refocus on the issues at hand with all the driveby comments from editors who have no background on the situation, so I decided to stop banging my head against that particular wall. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers

Hi! That debate quickly turned quite personal. :) I naturally agree with you, but Darren seems to use the guideline to keep people from polluting Misplaced Pages with warnings. I wouldn't want to do anything to undermine those efforts. Vesal (talk) 23:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey dude

I actually reverted one of your noticeboard posts as trolling before I realized it was you. Try to use your regular account for that sort of thing. I wouldn't want to see you accused of running drama socks. Best wishes, Durova 01:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I think I like being called dude. At least by you, ma'am. Ah yes, I haven't logged in regularly over the past few days, mostly because I currently have guests at my place. Sorry for the confusion / any irritation caused (i.e. beyond the irritation I usually cause :-P ) Everyme 09:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's a quick pronunciation guide to Californian English: Duuuuuude! Durova 18:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

BTW if you happen to be around, we're doing a NTWW episode in about an hour. One of the topics is inclusionism and deletionism. Would love to have you join us if you're around. Best, Durova 20:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Please reconsider your wording

I'm wondering whether you might consider rephrasing this . We can discuss the naming of the article, and the meaning hoax. It may well be that my objection is incorrect, and people rightly may point that out, in a civil manner (as other editors have). I'm perhaps even ready to concede that I may have been wrong. But when I read your remarks, I confess to being a little offended. You seem (and I may be misreading you) to be accusing me of "intellectual dishonesty" and of not even attempting to be neutral ("could you at least try to preserve some very basic rest of being neutral.") Plus you seem to be comparing my integrity to that of a woman who has admitted criminal lies, and whom you consider a "racebaiter". That's really rather offensive. I hope I'm misreading you, because that looks like a personal attack, and a rather immense assumption of bad faith. Are you perhaps able to say that you think I was wrong, and to give your reasons why, without using language that seems to attack me. I don't think we interacted before, so I can't imagine we've any quarrel.

Anyway, if you are willing to amend your remarks, I would be grateful.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Is there any flaw in my reasoning? If so, I don't see it, that's why I posted what I posted. Everyme 23:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of flaws in your logic, it looks like a personal attack. I'd really strongly suggest you strike it- just the last couple of sentences if you will. ~ L'Aquatique 23:18, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not a personal attack, it's applied logic. For the record: I was talking about intellectual dishonesty. That is to say that I didn't assume for a second that you, Scott, might actually be dumb enough to believe your own bullshit, like your definition of what a hoax is. But ok, I'll leave the choice to you: Either you are intellectually dishonest, or you're stupid. Or very tired, or momentarily confused for some other reason. I honestly don't see many other possible explanations for what you posted there. And since your other comments on that article talk page go in a very similar direction, namely displaying a greater interest in protecting that woman's self-forfeited privacy than in encyclopedic accuracy, I went with the imho most plausible assumption, i.e. some extent of intellectual dishonesty. Please educate me. Why else would you post an arbitrary and, as you full well know, utterly incorrect definition of "hoax" that just happens to suit your preconceptions about what should be done with the article? Point out how exactly I am wrong, and --more importantly-- how my reasoning is so implausible and far-fetched that it must have been guided by ABF. Until then. Everyme 23:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to respond to this. I'm just rather stunned.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 23:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Stoned? Ok, in that case I'm sorry. Have a nice one. Everyme 23:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Please try to assume good faith here- while sometimes we can't understand why another user acts a certain way, your response is a fairly clear cut personal attack. Calling another editor intellectually dishonest, stupid, etc is a personal attack, it's not okay, and I am asking you to stop. Now, it's a big encyclopedia, there's plenty of other stuff that needs your attention and I really believe that you would be best served by dropping this. I'm sure you understand that continually making personal attacks may lead to a block, and I don't think any of us want to see that. ~ L'Aquatique 23:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you not getting it? I did not "call" him anything. I arrived at that assumption as the imho most plausible conclusion of the, so far unchallenged, reasoning I've laid out there and explained in-depth here. Not a personal attack, applied logic. Focus on the logic I used. If there is any flaw in it, I'll happily retract. Otherwise, it's just not in my hands. And yes, I think it's fair game to ask Scott to make a slightly greater effort of appearing interested in what the project is about rather than attacking same. Everyme 23:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Suit yourself. ~ L'Aquatique 23:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I'm not the one ignoring valid reasoning in favour of dropping thinly veiled blocking threats. Everyme 23:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

In that case, you may be interested in this: Misplaced Pages:AN/I#Remarks_by_Everyme. ~ L'Aquatique 00:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• A discussion regarding the above has been started here. You may wish to make some comments. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!

As Halloween is my favorite holiday, I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Halloween! Sincerely, --A Nobody 14:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you; although, Halloween is not a holiday in my country, so my knowledge of it derives mainly from Hollywood and Treehouse of Horror episodes. 78.34.128.69 (talk) (Everyme logged out) 15:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! And I too have enjoyed those episodes, especially the one with "The Raven." Sincerely, --A Nobody 21:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject James Bond New Collaboration of the fortnight

 The Windler talk  00:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's Expert Peer Review process (or lack of such) for Science related articles

Hi - I posted the section with the same name on my talk page. Could you take part in discussion ?

User: Shotwell suggested (on my talk page) "I would endorse a WP:EXPERTADVICE page that outlined the wikipedia policies and goals for researchers in a way that enticed them to edit here in an appropriate fashion. Perhaps a well-maintained list of expert editors with institutional affiliation would facilitate this sort of highly informal review process. I don't think anyone would object to a well-maintained list of highly-qualified researchers with institutional affiliation (but then again, everyone seems to object to something)."

We could start with that if you would agree ... - could you help to push his idea through Misplaced Pages bureaucracy ?

In my view people nominated as "expert reviewers" should be willing not to hide under the veil of anonymity. They should be able to demonstrate some level of the verifiable accomplishment / recognition in the domain of professional science . BTW, I do not see any reason why the anonymity of editors on Misplaced Pages is considered to be a "good thing". Above is my general opinion, so please don't take my statement personally. There is obviously a choice given for everyone in Misplaced Pages either to act "in open" or to hide behind meaningless assumed pseudonym and I accept this situation. BTW, I do understand current Misplaced Pages concept that in order to produce good Misplaced Pages science article, one does not need to be a professional scientist ... - that is fine with me ... But I propose to have (at least optionally) ability to review/qualify such article by the professional scientist. Cheers, Apovolot (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

You are my hero!

I've been a fan for a long time, under your old name (lol). I just wanted to ask you to keep up the good work! 208.245.87.2 (talk) 17:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do as long as they let me (or some such). Everyme 20:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

ANI posting about you

Hello, Everyme. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. either way (talk) 14:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Obama

yeah it was unprotected. Apparently, Raul's protection expired at 00:48. Now that would have been interesting.... Thingg 01:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done I have to agree its only going to get worse.... wheeeooo what a day this has been. And its only just starting... Thingg 01:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

lol. I finally found the commercial you made me think of: :D Thingg 01:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Reply regarding ANI thread

You seem to be missing the point. No one is making any connection to ACORN or to fraud. The point of the Chicken Little story is about someone getting very worked up over a minor issue and blowing it out of proportion. The fact that the object in question happens to be an acorn is completely coincidental (and frankly, wouldn't have occurred to most people). Try not to assume that everyone is trying to attack you. It might help your on-wiki work. And it reduces blood pressure. JoshuaZ (talk) 05:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I didn't see that part. I guess we're all a bit on edge. JoshuaZ (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Obviously I should be the one apologizing since I missed the obvious indication of humorous intent. (I think what happened was that I read it as a dif and so when reading the red text I naturally skim over what looks like wiki-code). JoshuaZ (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

RFA THANKS

Hi there. Just to let you know this is 100% not a template :). I would just like to say thanks for you initial support and later neutral vote in my recent RFA which passed. I will look at Balloonman's comments at a latter time and see how I can work on them. If you would like to reply to this message please use my talk page as I do not have this page watch listed. ·Add§hore· /_Cont 23:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Blah

whoa i am on wikipedia cool.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.139.64 (talk) 17:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama Related Article Probation

Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed, Barack Obama, is on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Also note that the terms of some article probations extend to related articles and their associated talk pages.

The above is a templated message. Please accept it as a routine friendly notice, not as a claim that there is any problem with your edits. Thank you. -- Brothejr (talk) 13:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

What's your problem

. Grsz 02:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

People like you? Everyme 02:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

My how incredibly clever of you. And you were crying about my civility? Grsz 02:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

No, you were complaining about Landon's civility. Because you're a bigot. And I just called you on it. And just in case you haven't read my editing notice so far: Do so. Everyme 02:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I never went crying to an admin about Landon, like you two did. I'm done here. Grsz 03:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

—Preceding unsigned comment added by MBisanz (talk • contribs) 03:04, 13 November 2008

Erm..whoa. Just saw this one come up. Anyone give a sequence of events here? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Casliber. Check the Everyme account's contribs, and the history of Grsz11's talk page for more info. It all began at Talk:Barack Obama. I'd assemble a chronology of diffs, but what good would it do? "Harassment" is a totally overblown allegation. Basically a sissy of an editor complaining about evil me after s/he baited other users at Talk:Barack Obama. I commented there logged out (it was 3 in the morning local time and I really just wanted to check any potential progress in the discussions at the article talk page when I noticed Grsz's idiotic response to another editor, accusing him of "not contributing anything useful". I commented there (via IP), relatively civilly (imho) telling off Grsz11. He then removed my postings as trolling (which I wouldn't particularly mind) and proceeded to place a suspected sockpuppet template on the IP talk page, accusing me of being some banned or blocked editor. That's the point when I realised that Grsz11 is really your typical editing idiot, using anything they can to fight the dreadful prospect of having to respond to and possibly concede valid arguments. Sure enough, another editor chimed in at AN, weirdly saying that "Based on style, I wouldn't assume it's BfP, but it's definitely a sockpuppeting troll, and definitely needs a block. This IP claims to be Everyme. Is it? Because if yes, then maybe it is BfP after all." -- Excuse me? If yes, i.e. if this IP is indeed Everyme (it is), then maybe it is BfP after all ? What. Ever. Anyhow, the actions of that group at Talk:Barack Obama have reached cabal-like levels some time ago, and they are essentially filibustering and quick-archiving their way out of any confrontation with factual arguments. If anything, those people should be banned from the article and talk page for the sake of a more constructive editing climate. The baiting against other editors really upsets me. Grsz did not contribute anything constructive, yet openly attacks another user, Landon, of not contributing anything constructive. And I tried. I tried to civilly get my points across, but to no avail, where "no avail" means: Not even one single straight response to my points. Then another editor makes an effort to get similar points across (where many others, including admins have given up!) and, lo and behold, in response to his reasoning, Grsz11 tells him he's "not contributing anything constructive". It's the typically Misplaced Pages way of hilarious. Anyhow, I don't really give a fuck about the block, because I will of course just ignore it when it comes to minor mainspace edits. So I wonder: why 3 weeks? why not 2? or indef? Moreover, it will not make the underlying problem go away, which imho is not my own incivility, but the continuing indulgence of harmful behaviour like Grsz11's. Civil, and not quite so civil POV pushing. That's where my incivility comes in. My incivility is a reaction, a symptom. And anyone who honestly believes that getting rid of the symptom solves anything, think again. Or don't. Nobel geht die Welt zugrunde, as we say. Rule one: Be civil. Rule two: Ignore all other rules. 78.34.152.243 (talk) 14:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I saw the last little bit...hmm..I spent all of about 4 minutes in Cologne - off a train from Oostende and onto a train to Hamburg from 0105 to 0110 am many moons ago in 1991. The cathedral looked pretty nifty all lit up in the few minutes I looked at it from the train station...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

(chuckle) that makes for funny reading. I agree with your insisting of "referred to" BTW, it was an elegant and succinct way to go, if I weren't being buried alive elsewhere, I'd get more stuck into it but I am well and truly exhausted currently. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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