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	::::::Thanks for confirming that. I've only worked with fair use in relation to stamps, coins, banknotes, flags and logos previously, so this is new territory. The existing images are of very poor quality. I was trying to avoid the bother of having to photograph my own car - but it seems I'm just going to have to do that. --] (]) 10:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)		::::::Thanks for confirming that. I've only worked with fair use in relation to stamps, coins, banknotes, flags and logos previously, so this is new territory. The existing images are of very poor quality. I was trying to avoid the bother of having to photograph my own car - but it seems I'm just going to have to do that. --] (]) 10:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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Vandalism on the Hunnic language article

Dear Future Perfect Adminstitrator!

I want report to you a vandalism, in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Hunnic_language

A guy named, Sborsody always delete a board. In that board, there are the similar words of the Hun language to the Turkish and to Hungarian with English translation. It's there long time ago. But he always delete it. I put again. I also put a new source there. But he is following the vandalism again, and again. I ask your help.

Thank you. Sin sincerely: MagyarTürk (talk)

Pictures of Istvan Kovats

Greetings! I uploaded to xs.to (image sharing site) photos of Istvan Kovats, with my signature, with my identity card. You can see, that's photos are mine.

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs132&d=08434&f=pa210107939.jpg MagyarTürk (talk)

John Hunyadi, my answer

Greetings. You missed the sources, references in my editing. All right, now I put two important references, to John Hunyadi article. Is it better? I hope: yes.

MagyarTürk (talk)

Aromanians

Hi fur perf. If you had any time to spare with your inkscape skills would you be able to make a linguistic/ethnic map of the Aromanians in Albania based on this source with the major areas labelled, (Muzachia, Moscopole.....). If you would do this it would be greatly appreciated. I would do it myself but your skills are better. PMK1 (talk) 09:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Would you be able to do something about this user User:John3334, inregards to his reverts on Florina prefecture. PMK1 (talk) 11:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Use of the minor edit tag

Hi Future Perfect. I noticed you've made several revisions (, , ) using the minor edit tag, which aren't really minor revisions. Please see WP: Minor_edit:

"A check to the minor edit box signifies that only superficial differences exist between the current and previous version: typo corrections, formatting and presentational changes, rearranging of text without modifying content, et cetera. A minor edit is a version that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. An edit marked as minor appears on the right of a lower case, bolded "m" character (m) in the history."

Since your edits were actually substantial, it would be great if you could avoid labelling them as minor. Thanks! -- Gaius Octavius | Talk 16:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Number one was a routine rollback of an obvious ban-evading troll sock; number two was a rollback of an image that had been restituted against policy after being deleted at IfD; number three was a purely technical dummy edit after a history merge (technically a self-revert, in fact). All three were correct. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

They were all justified edits; no argument there. But a minor edit is only for "superficial differences". These changes were not superficial, regardless of how justified they were. -- Gaius Octavius | Talk 09:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Last time I looked, rollbacks were always automatically marked as minor. Banned users get rollbacked, that's policy. The history merge one was as superficial as it gets (look at it this way; if you don't understand why these kinds of edits happen, look up "history merge".) The image one is the only that's even remotely debatable. It was indisputably enforcing policy, it had been explained in the previous edit summary, and not doing it would have left the page with a redlink, so yes, I maintain it was legitimate rollback too. Now please let's all do something more useful, shall we? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Confused

Fut - I'm a little shocked about what you're doing. You're the only person that holds the view that Wizardmans closures of RfC's are wrong. Everyone's trying to tell you that he's doing the right thing, yet you disregard that and start reverting him complately against the consensus on WT:RFC. I'm not going to revert you again, but I will seriously consider taking this back to RfC or ArbCom if you continue this nonsense. I haven't really looked at your RfC, but some of the concerns were edit warring over things where you clearly in the minority - please take this to heart. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No, you evidently haven't looked at my RfC then. And I will continue to protest against the perversion of policy that is in those "closures", with all the means I have. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Look, you need to take a step away from this issue - you've got a seriously clouded judgement with regards to this. Why don't you just leave it for a few days and we can discuss it when everyone's calm and thinking rationally? We can even have an RfC on the matter if you want! Ryan Postlethwaite 22:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm perfectly calm and rational, thank you very much. And all I'm asking is a minor clarification of the wording in the format he uses. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, we can discuss that with him can't we? I don't see any other people raising these concerns, rather I see people supporting what he does. Perhaps you could ask him to change how he "concludes" user conduct RfC's in the future - using terms like recommendations (based on the consensus) rather than more formal words like conclusion. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I did just that, I made one such suggestion to him and carried it out for him, and he didn't object, did he? (If it's used as an argument that Elonka "didn't object", you know...) Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:48, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Just go to his talk page, and ask him if in the future he could change things. He's quite responsisve - I personally see no reason for him to change his ways, but if such a minor thing will make you feel happier about things then I see no reason why he won't use different wording in the future. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

He didn't seem too much interested in continuing the discussion this morning, in fact he said he was "dropping" it. I'm sure he can follow up on our discussion on WT:RFC, and I'll take it up with him again should there be another occasion for it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

But the thing is, he's under no obligation to do as you say - it would simply be a kind gesture of him to accept that your not happy with the way he does it and change to a way you're happier about. He has consensus firmly behind him with his current way of doing things. Please - just ask him kindly on his talk page to change the words he uses and I'm sure he'll respond positively. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Wizardman doesn't own the RfC format, just because he's the one who does it most often doesn't mean it's for him to decide how to do it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I'm off to bed in a second so please don't think I'm being ignorant if I don't reply. Enjoy the rest of you day. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No prob, I should be off to bed too, actually. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your move of Germans

Maybe I'm missing something, but shouldn't it be moved to be consistent with French people, Spanish people, Japanese people, Taiwanese people, Gagauz people, Basque people, etc.? –Juliancolton 14:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, ok, that's fair enough. The Transhumanist seemed to indicated that these moves are primarily uncontroversial, but I apologize for the inconvenience/hasty move. Would it be best for me to move German people back to Germans for now? –Juliancolton 14:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Opinion

Would you like to give me your opinion for ]. Thanks.Vlatko 22:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, let me see - editing logging in and off is considered sockpuppeteering. + comments like this one -> I can see where this is going. Fut.Perf, I have troubles filling a case at WP:SSP - is it necessary for such a clear case? --Laveol 22:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Its OK, whats up to me Fut.Perf, as long as the infobox stays that way. Laveol just leave it, I'm not at the point of mind condition to play with you. Stop bothering me. Vlatko 22:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Danger

Penguin Eater known here as Wikinger is really dangerous to you and can make much trouble to you outside Misplaced Pages, as he declares here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3A79.162.31.154&diff=251542399&oldid=251542262 and did here: http://pingwinojad.blog.pl/komentarze/index.php?nid=12717425 He never ever will obey any of Misplaced Pages rulers who is against him and he destroys you outside Misplaced Pages so you will be ostracized outside it. 91.94.237.7 (talk) 13:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Block Evasion

Hi, a user that you recently blocked, VivaNorthCyprus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), seems to be evading his block under a new account (VivaNorthCypruss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)). At least I'm pretty sure it's the same person, he's editing the same pages with the same strange edit summaries. However, I'm not sure where to report this (does it belong at WP:SSP)? Thanks for your assistance. SheepNotGoats (Talk) 13:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not reacting sooner, seems this has been dealt with now, right? I think WP:AIV or WP:ANI are both okay for reporting, in obvious cases like this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Guess whose back? LogicalSolution (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) _{El Greco} 22:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, Future. I reported LogicalSolution to WP:SSP several hours ago, but it looks like things move pretty slowly over there. I'll go with AIV or ANI in the future. Thanks for responding. SheepNotGoats (Talk) 01:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

My english

No offense taken, I do admit that re-writing this article was a hasty task as I did at a work break. I uploaded in order to have a point to start. If we go deeper I will be more...careful with my greek-thinking-english-writing.

I have uploaded my ideas in discussion and I haven't got any replies yet. Please check.

Dkace (talk) 14:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Categories of names

all these exist in many languages. can there be an agreed way of adding categories? cause it's getting really stupid. really. CuteHappyBrute (talk) 00:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't seem too much sense in these kinds of categorisations either, but I guess that's a matter for some centralised content discussion. Is there a Wikiproject on personal names where you could bring it up perhaps? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

dunno. but i'm tired of the nationalists wanting to see their nation's name where it is irrelevant. apparently from the 537 languages that the name Anna exists in, only Bulgarian, Swiss, Macedonski, Italian and Japanese are worthy of being categorized, excluding Hebrew, the language of origin... same with Latin Emil where worthy are only Macedonski, Romanian and Bulgarian lol. and the Hebrew Emil where only Macedonski category is worthy... i say let them be so i can laugh at their despair, but it's bad for wikipedia. --CuteHappyBrute (talk) 04:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

First Occurrence

As per your comment and inquiry at AN/I, are you asking for the first instance of him commenting on my academic background, or when the numerous (and baseless) AN/I's started appearing? Or are you, I ask (with held breath) when the original harassment actually began in the Fitna and Scarlet Pimpernel articles?
Here is the information I provided to William M. Connolly at his request, showing the rang of IPs that have intersected with my edits. If there are other IPs (or accounts), I haven't encountered them. As you know, if the anon claims the IPS being reported at RfCU, it disconnects the check-user process before a full run can be made (to see if the anon is actually a former indef blocked or banned user). All of the IPs below have been claimed by the anon at one RfCU or another. I am unsure as to which ones (s)he is (now) claiming is not theirs. The blocks and warnings indicated below are in fact those of the anon (currently editing under the IP: 75.49.223.52) and are listed in bold. The AN/I links will indicate the opinions of other admins who consider this harassment, stalking and general trolling:

William, a lot of the issue seems to stem from arguments in Fitna, back in March of this year (though perhaps even earlier, as this dusty old AN/I would seem to indicate).

After the initial incidents, the anon started following my edits around, and pounced upon my educational background, calling it (and by association, me) false. He used it to post] to WikiProject Oxford and my own talk page, and anywhere else he could, using an IP SPA devoted to attacking me (he was blocked for this).

My understanding is that blocking a user is supposed to not only protect the article or the wiki from the blockable behavior, but also (at least attempt) to educate and reform the user, so as to prevent a revisiting of the behavior:

The anon has used brand new IP accounts to attack me and my edits.

75.142.63.108 (talk · contribs) - 3/15 ()

75.58.62.44 (talk · contribs) - 4/03 - 4/04 advised by Scarian to stop making uncivil posts in Fitna discussion

75.57.200.103 (talk · contribs) - 4/03 - 4/04 - Fitna, Scarlet Pimpernel

75.57.201.254 (talk · contribs) - 2/27 - 7/03 AN/I: "(groan) Dispute getting nasty..." contribution

75.58.36.51 (talk · contribs) - 4/05-4/06 incivility warning

75.58.39.148 (talk · contribs) - 4/05 - 4/06

75.58.57.10 (talk · contribs) - 4/06

75.58.34.144 (talk · contribs) - 4/06-4/07 - Wikiquette Alert: "User:Arcayne" contributions

75.57.165.180 (talk · contribs) - 4/7 - 4/10 Fitna

75.57.186.159 (talk · contribs) - 4/11 Fitna AN/I: User:Arcayne

75.58.39.201 (talk · contribs) - 4/16

75.57.196.81 (talk · contribs) 4/16 blocked 1 week for disruptive and disputative editing by JzG

75.57.205.163 (talk · contribs) - 7/02 - 7/03

75.57.205.135 (talk · contribs) 7/03 - 7/06 blocked 48 hours by Mastcell for PA and harassment (of me)

75.57.160.195 (talk · contribs) - 8/21 - 8/28 Fitna

75.57.178.160 (talk · contribs) - 8/14 - AN/I:Arcayne RE: Civility & Good Faith (result: anon was indeed trolling)

75.57.171.204 (talk · contribs) - 8/19

75.46.31.151 (talk · contribs) - 9/30

75.57.181.83 (talk · contribs) - 7/2 Dr. Who

75.57.198.129 (talk · contribs) - 8/17-8/18 Urolagnia, Jail

75.57.201.254 (talk · contribs) - 2/27 - 7/03 AN/I: "(groan) Dispute getting nasty..." contribution

75.58.49.50 (talk · contribs) - 8/19

75.104.172.179 (talk · contribs) - 9/30 - 10/7

75.82.12.177 (talk · contribs) - 10/01 Sylar

76.202.249.62 (talk · contribs) - 10/10 - 10/12 I'm a PC

76.217.93.176 (talk · contribs) - 10/10 - 10/08 I'm a PC

76.224.68.237 (talk · contribs) - 10/07 - 10/06 I'm a PC (blocked by Bjelleklang for 3RR and edit-warring in the article)

75.3.133.232 (talk · contribs) - 10/23 - 10/24 (31-hour block by Seresin for "vandalism and incivility")

75.49.223.52 (talk · contribs) - 11/7 - Current ([1, fraudulent 3RR report; advised by Wiliam M. Connelly to "get an account") Fitna

The user has been advised (or outright ordered) on at least five different occasions to start an account; the user still prefers not to, and that begs the suspicious question of 'why' the anon doesn't.

The anon has been told in no uncertain terms to stop posting incivility.

He has wasted space AN/I noticeboard's time in having filed or contributed substantially to no less than nine frivolous AN/I complaints ( there are more, but here is the rogues' gallery of them: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 - the last three of which were specifically pointed out as evidence of a vendetta by the anon) since April, and all of them are attacks towards me (maybe origination in this dusty old AN/I). Of course, the anon has pointedly avoided notifying me of any AN/I posting, presumably in the hopes that a lack of response on my part would imply guilt amd I would be blocked before even knowing of the posting.

Luvasfbr also noted that a wikiquette alert was also filed by the anon a few months ago, though I was never notified of its existence (again) and cannot find it in the archives.

He has disrupted Misplaced Pages with his multiple attack accounts, including going to wikiprojects where I have never made a single contribution () (he was correctly named as a troll there) and then further disrupting wikipedia by point-style adding a saccharine apology to my user page with the Oxford userbox.

He appears to be seeking personal information about my educational background by questioning it (ie, calling my earned degrees "advanced" degrees knowing that the correction of noting they are undergraduate degrees). Because of this, I am very concerned that the attacking of my educational credentials is a subtle attempt to gain personal information about me.

These attempts are additional nuking expeditions by the anonymous user to poison the well of wiki opinion by calling me a liar, an "aggressive kiss-ass and political networking gladhander, etc. For the most part, the users here have suggested the venue of DR or simply walking away. To date, the anon has 'never pursued any avenue of DR, instead following me to articles and discussions where they have never contributed before, and then only to contribute stale arguments.

It was previously suggested I simply ignore the anon's effort, which, until recently, I have. However, I should not have to overlook the continuous, bad-faith efforts by an anon who pointedly refuses to set up a public face to his edits. He has argued in the past that as a public editor, he is doing this for ideological reasons (a reasoning strongly criticized by both Ed Fitzgerald and Bzuk in the previous AN/I's) or is encountering ISP problems. However, a careful look at his contributions notes that he only switches IP addresses to avoid restrictions placed upon his editing behavior. Despite the "ISP problem", he has managed to contribute with the same ISP here for the past few days - following exactly the same pattern his previous times at AN/I. The user can maintain a single IP address - he simply chooses not to. It is in this way that he is able to escape admin scrutiny and oversight and continue his attacks largely unabated.

I feel that even though range blocks are a fairly blunt instrument, it is required here. The user has used their post-block period to do little but attack another user. As the focus of that user, I find myself a little concerned for my personal safety, as the user appears to be seeking personal info about me. I am also concerned that the user has tried five different times to have the noticeboard, never once having notified me; a clear indication that the user is attempted to have me back-door blocked. It cannot be confirmed, but is reasonable to suspect, that this renewed attempt by the anon was inspired by Edokter's retracted block of a few days ago.

In conclusion, the anon user is not interested in contributing to the encyclopedia; they are interested in attacking me and having me removed from Misplaced Pages. Almost all of the anon's contributions have been personal attacks. This doesn't represent the goals that we set for our editors. The anon should not be allowed to continue harassing me. - Arcayne () 20:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

William's recent block was in response to the anon bringing up my educational background again, and calling it all some "utter lie". If you wish, I can explain it via email. I don't usually give the specifics of my background, as it can be used to track down and harass me in real life. However, I have not overstated my educational background, and though I once or twice did use it as a component in a discussion, I was properly chastised for it, and have not done so since, and certainly not in the last four months or so.
Let me know what else you might need. My presence in the wiki-en will be spotty this weekend, but I will follow up when I can. - Arcayne () 15:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the detailed explanation, and sorry if you felt I put you to all this trouble (actually, I had struck out my request for links at ANI, seeing as you had already provided a couple.) I now remember some episodes of this clearly enough, I think. Still not sure if I ever got myself involved or not, but I was following it on one or two occasions. As I said, we should treat him as banned for good. Count me among the admins you can notify if you need any new incarnation blocked unbureaucratically. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, FutPerf. As the anon was claiming that some of the IPs aren't his/hers, I decided to file a RfCU for all the IPs listed in the WMC post and elsewhere. There were actually a few more to add that the anon has claimed as theirs. I've bolded the ones he's claimed (with citation as to the admittance), so as to make connection a lot easier for the checkuser. I am also concerned that the anon will step in and suddenly admit that they are all his/hers, again preventing a full checkuser that would reveal if the user is a formerly indef-blocked or banned user. It isn't so much a fishing expedition as it is a confirmation. If some of them aren't connected, then I want to make sure that the anon doesn't get painted with their contributions, nor they his/hers. The anon is bad, but its like accusing Hitler of urolagnia - bad can still be bad without piling on unprovable claims. - Arcayne () 19:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Cukiger again

As I've already mentioned it the user in question is on the same 1r/48 hours as me. He has broken it once again at Coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia as obvious by the diffs ] and ]. Two reverts for half an hour. I'd bother Moreschi with if he wasn't on a wikibrake or something at the moment. --Laveol 17:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Hrrmphf. Now, does this discussion make me "involved"? Perhaps you could make a quick report at WP:AE?

Watching the Balkans isn't fun when Moreschi isn't around. :-( Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Should I go to checkuser to deal with this or wait till something happens? You know, I get the distinct impression that this guy is someone's reincarnation - I'm sure I've seen the same comments and the same patterns. --Laveol 10:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

IP requesting unblock, need additional information

See: . You mention that the IP is being used by a banned editor, but you do not indicate which editor. Of course, I trust that you know who this is, but by not naming who the ban has been applied to, it is impossible for me to respond to his latest unblock request intelligently. Yes, I am sure you are right, but if you could indicate which account's sockdrawer this particular IP belongs in, it would go a long way to helping others respond intelligently to his request. Thanks! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

It never was an account, sorry if my block message wasn't quite clear. It's a person who has used a long series of IPs for harassment/trolling against User:Arcayne, see documentation by Arcayne two sections above here, and my recent post at WP:ANI . I'm not aware there ever was a formal ban decision by the community, though it is quite obvious (to me, at least) that this is a thoroughly disruptive, malicious user; what I meant by my block summary was more that I, at this moment, would have handed out an indef block on my own responsibility, if only I had an account to stick it to. So I verbally declared him indef, while technically just handing out the usual IP block. I would certainly maintain this intention and strongly advise against unblocking. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. After spending time working though this case, I fully concur with your assessment. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

And I have to say that your solution to the problem is certainly an innovative one, FutPerf; it works a lot better and is less intrusive than a range block/ban. It also has the virtue of forcing the anon to get an account and edit elsewhere for a while. I wish I had thought of it. Again, nice solution. - Arcayne () 19:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Advice

Hola Future, I've got a question for you. I've puted this map on the net a long time ago. Some inaccuracies were reported (and I puted that info onto it's main page). 2 years after another user (Laz17) says he's got a correct map and that existent one was changed. Ok, I instruct him how to put new map onto the net, but now he has begun accusing me for nationalistic POV and fraud with maps. I gave him some links to NPOV and assumsion of good faith, but to no avail. Can you advise me onto some of my future actions ?
--Čeha (razgovor) 16:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC) Tenks for intervention, we needed someone to give a little bit of order there...
--Čeha (razgovor) 22:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hope you did not forget about the page, http://en.wikipedia.org/Image_talk:Bih_1991.jpg . We need to delete two more maps, that are directly based off of Ceha's fraud 1991 map. In fact they are worse than the ones that you deleted already. (LAz17 (talk) 23:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)).

Hope you have not forgetten about deleting those bad maps. By the way, there is a correct map for 1991, http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:BH1991.jpg. (LAz17 (talk) 01:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)).

MacedonianBoy is back

Sorry to bother you again, but it's something only you can deal with it. As you remember User:MacedonianBoy was banned for 4 months from all Balkan-related articles strating from July 14th. His ban-time is hardly passed and he's on it again. Moving-pages with no proper discussion or anything prior to that. He's on a killing-spree on Vlado Chernozemski (mind you the guy is a terrorist and is not even born in Macedonia (region)). I've asked MacBoy to stop, but I've got the feeling this won't be the case. --Laveol 17:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

First of all, you seem to have created a cut-and-paste move when trying to deal with him there. And it's not even Caturday. But I'll see what I can do. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Damn, that's what I was writing in the first place (or what I was gonna write anyway). I misspelled the name the first time I moved it and then had to do it again, but I wasn't allowed to. I suppose it might've worked if I just had erased the redirect at the original article and then tried to move it there. Is this the case (so I know for next time) - it would have allowed me to move the page back to Vlado Chernozemski if I had just blanked the page? Or not? --Laveol 17:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Let's not forget that he didn't really serve his ban at all...--Avg (talk) 18:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany

Hi, a discussion is going on regarding a German to English translation in Talk:Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany#Consensus_for_translation_of_the_word_.22Genussgifte.22. Since you are involved in the article, I am notifying you. Please join the discussion. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 14:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Page Macedonia recent edit wars

Even if generally you are somewhat of an unexpressed Greek supporter, I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter: since the last consensus from 12:10, 12 November 2008 was interrupted with the POV edit "term mainly used by Republic of Macedonia", with no evidence/sources submitted, this page has been a target of several disruptive editors and revert wars ; Despite the fact that we have submitted evidence that this is not a "term mainly used by Republic of Macedonia": Britannica , And many other international sources from Google Scholar "Aegean+Macedonia"&btnG=Search and there is not a single source or evidence that conferms this "mainly used by Republic of Macedonia" this disruptive revert editors have continued to push this POV. What is your opinion on the matter? Alex Makedon (talk) 18:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha you old dog, I see you have confirmed my suspects, , do you get money for this kind of support or you do it for nationalistic reasons? (btw your nationality is not revealed anywhere, not even by accident, thats smart) Alex Makedon (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Nah, all my confusingly objective surprise maneuvres (such as, first reporting you for 3RR , and then agreeing with you on the content ) are only done to prevent you from finding out my true identity. What if you all knew that in reality I'm a telerobotic mutant teddybear from Neptune? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Smart moves indeed, 1) you reported me for 3RR, 2) did nothing for the main disruptive editors, 3) you agreed with me on the talk page for an off topic discussion, 4) expressed an ambigous generally pro-pov on the main issue"Aegean Macedonia" pretty much all is used over the place (ndr Republic of Macedonia)", 5) casually forgot to delete the Greek POV from the page. Something tells me that you are not exactly from Neptune and not as impartial as a teddybear.Alex Makedon (talk) 19:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure your Greek is not, lets say native? Alex Makedon (talk) 19:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

el	Αυτός ο χρήστης μιλά ως μητρική γλώσσα την ελληνική.

Unfortunately not. In some of the fluffier moments of my teddy bear brain I get all the past imperfectives wrong. Not to mention the mediopassive future perfects, especially early in the morning. But I'll let you know if I should ever manage to fool one of our Greek friends into taking me for native. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hm. Evidently they all feel they can take liberties when they think I'm not watching. Well, they're all blocked now, and I don't suppose I can blame them for trying :) Moreschi (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

(I'm very partial to halva, for one thing, and partially stitched together too.)

User:Alex contributing from L.A.

Winona Gone Shopping (talk · contribs) was blocked last year following death threats and unconstructive behavior. He's apparently returned as Alex contributing from L.A. (talk · contribs). A user filed a complaint about his incivility and I remembered the previous accounts. After researching it and seeing that one of his accounts had been blocked, I blocked the new account due to evasion. He says he had asked you about starting a new account and you have given him permission. Can you shed any light on this matter? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 04:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, yes, I'm familiar with this user, although I haven't followed him lately and haven't checked the recent charges of incivility yet. This was an excellent editor back in 2005 (as "Decius" and during the earlier days of the account subsequently renamed to "Winona"). As "Winona", (s)he went through a phase of trolling. The trolling was mostly harmless in my view, "unconstructive" yes, but the "death threats" were never anything serious. Anyway, for a while they evidently had no interest in contributing seriously any longer. Then I noticed him/her returning at some point as "Lisa", again making constructive contributions, so I welcomed them back. (I don't clearly remember if I ever spelled out any rules or conditions of a comeback arrangement explicitly to them, but it was understood I knew who they were.) My impression is that even though this user may still occasionally show a slightly trollish sense of humour, whatever it was that got them banned in 2006 is safely a thing of the past and no longer relevant to their present editing, and as far as I am aware they have constructively edited for the past year. So, I would recommend at this point to just treat them as a user in good standing and deal with the civility complaints on their own merit, whatever those are. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply. I never would have even noticed this user if there weren't a fresh complaint. OTOH, that complaint alone isn't sufficient for a block. However I'm concerned that this user seems to resort to what you call "trollish" behavior in conflicts. I'm also worried at the number of accounts he's had and the implication of sharing accounts. All things considered I'm inclined to unblock, but I'd feel more comfortable if there was a mentor watching out to minimize the trolling. I'll post a notice on ANI and see if anyone has a different perspective. Hopefully we can resolve this quickly. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 07:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, mentoring might work. I guess I'd be available for that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

From reading his various comments, it appears that some of his problems are related to "editing under the influence". Anyway, I've posted it at WP:ANI#User:Alex contributing from L.A. If there's no objection I'll unblock the account. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll leave the matter in your hands from here. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 17:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

. Palatschinken‎

Yes, that is a much better formulated sentence, the way you wrote it. Much less confusing and easy to follow. Great! Thank you.

Warrington (talk) 18:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Glad to hear that. So let's all go and have apple pancakes now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine with me. Enjoy your meal!

Warrington (talk) 18:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ottoman Conquests of the Balkans

Is there anyway you can send/give me a copy of this article? I'd like to do a major re-write. Thanks! --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

At the moment it's still in the Google cache: . But you can just as well just get Hupchick from your library, it's literally his text. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

lol!

As if these were original ! He knows how to type, though. One has to give him that at least!--77.49.70.246 (talk) 21:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)...Oh, forgot "his" masterpiece --77.49.70.246 (talk) 21:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Please log in when you want to address user issues, or you'll be counted as an harassment troll. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Her Ladyship

I was reading your comments about Her ladyship and The Troubles at ANI. What is probably not clear, is that much of the biography on her userpage at that time was a not-so-subtle jibe at a number of editors involved in the Troubles (for reasons that was never clear to me, Giano has a grudge against a few of them). I'm not going to identify specific examples, because a number of them slyly reveal personal information only obvious to those that are already familiar with the people in question. If you would like to know more, you can email me.

Moreover, while it seemed obvious to me that Giano was behind this account, CdB did deny being a sockpuppet of Giano numerous times. While that was all part of the joke, of course, there is WP:AGF to consider. An account denies being a joke sock-puppet, then gets involved in an ongoing feud that has many banned users, its hardly surprising that a CU may be enacted. Especially as the joke is not so funny when you are the one being mocked from the safety of a sockpuppet account.

To be clear, I was not involved in any requests for checkuser personally, but I don't think there was anything suspect in that a request was made at that time. I think, if you want to play that game in that environment, you don't have much to complain about when you get CU'd. Its particularly rich to be bleating about the privacy of your personal information when you used a sockpuppet to reveal someone else's. Rockpocket 18:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Ford Probe copyright violation ?

Why did you remove and delete the image I created and uploaded to WP under GFDL from the above article? --Gene_poole (talk) 03:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Because, as I clearly stated in the deletion log, it is an obvious copyright violation from . It's clearly a photoshopped version of the same photograph. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

It is a substantially modified version of an existing work - close to 50% of the image is original; I have long been under the impression that the act of substantially modifying a graphic image in this manner results in the creation of a new and distinct work, for which separate copyright exists and may be assigned. Is this not, in fact, the case?

If so, presumably there would be no issue with upoading it again, providing appropriate fair use tagging was applied. --Gene_poole (talk) 08:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid you are mistaken, it's a derived work and as such still under the original copyright. Especially since the part of the photograph that is actually significant, the car, is 100% taken over - the only thing you did was to retouche away the backgrounds. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

OK thanks for clarifying that. Can the derived image be tagged for fair use on WP in your opinion? ...and just for the record substantial parts of the vehicle were modified as well - specifically the RH side of bonnet, much of the windscreen, the entire rear window and the upper half of the rear panel - not merely the background. --Gene_poole (talk) 09:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, because (a) we are not using the photograph in order to support critical commentary on the creative work of its photographer, and (b) it's replaceable, since such cars still exist and can be photographed (in fact, there are already several free photographs on the same article, at least one of them of the same generation/model, Image:Ford.probe.thornbury.arp.750pix.jpg). Why don't you just move that one into the infobox? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming that. I've only worked with fair use in relation to stamps, coins, banknotes, flags and logos previously, so this is new territory. The existing images are of very poor quality. I was trying to avoid the bother of having to photograph my own car - but it seems I'm just going to have to do that. --Gene_poole (talk) 10:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)