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::What he said. Making it "native title in Australia" would probably be more conventional, too. ] 06:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC) ::What he said. Making it "native title in Australia" would probably be more conventional, too. ] 06:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

:::I don't think Ind. A. politicians should be a subcat of Ind. A. leaders. Is any Indigenous Australian who enters politics a leader? It is arguable that any leader is a "politician" in a broader sense of the word, but if we are not going to have leader as a subcat of politician, then I think they should be distinct categories with overlap. ] 09:33, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


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Babel: en-AU

en-auThis user is a native speaker of Australian English.

Feel free to add {{User en-AU}} to your user page. Shtroof it's hard trorna keep stand'ds up in London. Mate. Fark! - David Gerard 21:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

A bewdy David G - nice ;) Lisa 01:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think even the broadest Australians say "speaker a' Straiyan". They say "speaker uv 'Straiyan" The "v" of "of" is definitely pronounced before the unstressed vowel of "'Straiya." Adam 13:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Isn't the national language spelt "'Strine"? Or is this just a regional thing? Dysprosia 22:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Australian Wikipedians to be interviewed on ABC next week

A presenter from ABC Radio, Central Australia contacted me, wanting to talk with Aussie Wikipedians on his radio show next week. I said I'd be happy to talk about why I edit and what I edit on his show but don't feel I'm the best-qualified Aussie Wikipedian. Contact ABC Radio if you'd be interested too. I am thinking maybe you CyberJ, Scott, Slac, Beck, Axel, Chuq, Diceman, Tim, Ian, Longhair, or David might be interested... You are just Aussie Wikipedians I've come to know by username to be doing great work on WP. I think this show will be next Wednesday on 891 AM in Adelaide (plus many other regional frequencies) but I don't think this regional ABC radio station has a live webstream. Lisa 01:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Best of luck. I'll be out-of-town on Wednesday, so probably won't get to hear you :-( This is your opportunity to launch Misplaced Pages in SA and NT schools, too. --Scott Davis 10:00, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm happy to be an utter media whore - they can email me at dgerard at gmail dot com. Remember I actually live in London! My accent's become horribly Anglicised ... I'll have to remember to talk out my nose - David Gerard 11:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I'll be unavailable most of Wednesday (en route from Hobart to Sydney) - so will be a little too busy to participate - but what time is the interview? I'd be keen to hear it (if possible)? -- Chuq 05:51, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Not sure yet Chuq. Is a public holiday in SA today -- I'll probably be in touch with Dave tomorrow and will post back here then. Lisa 13:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
It's at around 9:15am tomorrow. Lisa 02:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

How did this go? I missed it.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 02:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Sport in Australia

Made a rough start on Sport in Australia as per a comment on the Talk:Australia page. Cfitzart 03:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Susan Crennan

In preparation for the upcoming (Nov 1) inauguration of Susan Crennan to the High Court, is anyone able to source a PD/GFDL/non-fairuse image to accompany the news on WP:ITN? I should be able to provide a screenshot of the event once it transpires, but it's doubtful this will be allowed on the Main Page.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Where would we start on this? It might be worth writing to the court to see if we can obtain one - I'd be happy to go down there myself and take one, but my camera sucks and is broken at the moment anyway (it died when I was taking Misplaced Pages photos at Floriade, strangely). Ambi 05:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to write to the Court to request use of a photo, but I'd imagine their response would be the same as AUSPIC's, which doesn't really help. The NLA has . (What is the actual definition of "commercial reuse", anyway?) Perhaps someone else might be able to take a photo themselves? --Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:32, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sydney University College Keg Society

Does anyone know if such an organisation exists? I nominated the article S.U.C.K.S. for AfD, but I'm facing stiff opposition from anonymous comments. A Google for "Sydney University College Keg Society" reveals one hit (which parts of the article are lifted from). I wanted to check if anyone had heard of this organisation before I dig my heels in. Cnwb 05:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Odds are it does exist. The question will be to know if it is an encyclopaedic topic. Would an article about my university's volleyball club be noteworthy for Misplaced Pages - I think not - not unless our club did something more amazing and attention-grabbing than play volleyball at uni! Lisa 00:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

New Australian Collaboration of the fortnight

Thankyou to everybody who contributed to 1997 Thredbo landslide. It expanded to six times its previous length! The new Collaboration of the fortnight is Marree Man, after carefully checking the timestamp of the tying vote for Sport in Australia. Please help to improve Marree Man, and nominate any other article you think would benefit from collaboration. --Scott Davis 12:48, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Sydney Swans player list

Hey y'all, after that exciting GF win, I've been working on a whole swath of new Sydney Swans player entries that have now been categorized...some fans have graciously helped out in adding to some of the players that I have created the stubs for, but I need some more help on this one! Go to Category:Sydney Swans players to see the list we have so far...and help add! Thanks! --J L C Leung 16:55, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Dead End Australian Articles

I notice we have recently ended up with two articles about the Australian Brumby Brumby and Australian Brumby. Brumby is the shorter of the two, but also more encyclopedic. If someone is interested it would be worth merging these two into one better article.

Also of interest are Australian Federal Ministers and Australian Economic History which are both recently added dead end pages, possibly duplicated elsewhere. Martyman 03:28, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

The brumby problem is solved, one was a cut and paste copyvio which I have deleted and made into a redirect.--nixie 03:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Australian Federal Ministers is a duplicate of Fourth Howard Ministry, and I've moved Australian Economic History to Economic history of Australia and suggested it be cleaned-up and merged into Economy of Australia.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 15:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I redirected the Minsters article to Fourth Howard Ministry for the time being- if anyone can think of a better place for it to point it should probably point there instead.--nixie 02:02, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
What about Australian Commonwealth ministries 1901-2004? Ambi 10:23, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I like how the Canadians do it (yet again). They have separate lists of current ministers and secretaries at Cabinet of Canada and List of Canadian Parliamentary Secretaries (do we have a list of parliamentary secretaries?). But then, Canada's different: they don't really have an outer ministry. Seeing as though Fourth Howard Ministry is a rather obscure location, I think it might be best to note the current ministry elsewhere as well. Or we could redirect to the location Ambi suggested.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 10:48, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
The problem with that is that the Canadians don't have articles for past ministries, and the current article really needs to fit in with them. It could be easily linked from the article on our Cabinet, though, which could solve that issue. Ambi 11:26, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I've re-redirected the page to Australian Commonwealth ministries. That's another thing actually: the term "Australian Commonwealth" is wrong. Why not just "Australian ministries"? If people are smart enough to be reading an encyclopædia, surely they're able to differentiate between Australia and the states. I tried to have the category changed not long ago, but - as is usual on Cfd - "no consensus" was formed.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 14:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Having some sort of distinguishing feature in the name is useful, as there's a growing number of state and territory ministry articles as well, and "Australian ministries" could very well refer to them also. Ambi 15:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
The Ministers are also listed by portfolio in List of Australian Commonwealth Government entities Martyman-(talk) 12:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

SMH Sat 8 Oct - Icon article on Misplaced Pages

Sydney Morning Herald lead Icon (Technology) article reports from the Frankfurt conference. There are a number of references to Australian articles, facts and Wales's vision for the future of the Wikimedia foundation. (The print version discloses that the article is syndicated from The Guardian.)--User:AYArktos | Talk 21:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Arrgh, I thought I fixed that faulty translation of terra nullius. Slac speak up! 05:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Anyone who thinks that "Even in the heat of battle, Misplaced Pages can be relied upon as an impartial and trustworthy source" obviously hasn't been editing at Zionism or Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Adam 10:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Cyberjunkie's RFA

Australian contributor Cyberjunkie has been nominated for adminship. You can vote and/or comment at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Cyberjunkie. Voting closes 00:45 17 October 2005. Snottygobble | Talk 11:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Everything Linux

Could Australian editors please comment as to whether they think the Everything Linux article should be included in Misplaced Pages or nominated for deletion? Apparently it is one of the largest Linux retailers in Australia (LSL is the only other one Chuq can think of off the top of his head) and a VfD nom might get a lot of unfounded delete votes from both non-Australians and non-Linux users, as it is only really notable to Australian Linux users. Chuq suggested we run a straw poll here to get a sense of what other Australian wikipedians thought. I personally cannot think why such a retailer is notable enough for an article ...--User:AYArktos | Talk 11:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't know. I have never heard of Canonical (not that that means too much, I have heard of Ubuntu). I don't really feel strongly either way, but would probably lean towards keeping it seeing it already has the article created. --Martyman-(talk) 10:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Mere shops and mere distribution of linux is adding minimal value to linux itself - I have a real concern that this verges on Misplaced Pages being taken over for advertising and hence compliance with the Company inclusion guidelines is an important test. If it were a lingerie shop or a bookshop would you still think it worth keeping? I will nominate for deletion and allow the debate to continue there, perhaps resulting in modifications to Company inclusion guidelines or affirmation of those guidelines. --User:AYArktos | Talk 21:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Puma loose in Gippsland - urban myth

I've been reading some of the articles on urban myths lately, and decided to start an article on the myth that there's a puma (or other type of big cat) loose in Gippsland, Victoria (sometimes it's also reported in the Grampians). I'm not sure how to title the article. Any ideas? Cnwb 10:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I haven't heard of the myth itself, but 2005 Gippsland puma hoax ? -- Chuq 11:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
If it's not specific to this year, perhaps just Gippsland puma or Gippsland cat? --Scott Davis 23:38, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the sugestions. I've started the artcle as Gippsland puma. Cnwb 00:39, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
While looking at Marree Man stuff, I came across the Nullarbor Nymph hoax .. that might be an interesting one to do too Astrokey44 05:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I may have missed the boat, but given that it's been "sighted" in the Grampians as well, and it's not always a puma, how about Victoria's big cat mystery? A little internet searching suggests a more generic term is called for than Gippsland puma. (BTW, does anyone remember David Dale's "Bruce, the giant Gippsland worm?") — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarbyAsh (talk • contribs) 17:13, 15 October 2005 (ACST) (UTC)
I second that emotion Agnte 10:38, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

This is stretching the definiton of "urban myth." Firstly it's rural, not urban. Secondly, an urban myth is based on anecdote and rumour, like the story about crocodiles living in the New York sewers. This story is baed on reported sightings. In that sense it's more like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. It probably belongs under Apocryphal animals or something like that. Thirdly, to be a myth something has to be known not to be true. There might in fact be pumas in the Grampians, just as there are kangaroos in the Scottish highlands. So it isn't proved to be a myth. Adam 08:39, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Firstly it's rural, not urban. Hah! Nice catch. :)--Cyberjunkie | Talk 09:01, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Darby Ash's proposal. Also, I can see Adam's point regarding urban myths. The reason I wrote that it was an urban myth is because that's how the story has spread - I've been told several times that a friend-of-a-friend has come face to face with the beast. And the fact that there are multiple variations of the origin of the cat also lends it to urban myth. But yes, perhaps it should be removed. And should we perhaps be discussing this on the page's talk-page? Cnwb 12:21, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Aboriginal/indigenous culture categories

I noticed that Category:Australian culture had two subcategories Category:Australian Aboriginal culture and Category:Australian indigenous culture that have very similar meaning. Having mapped all the subcategories of both, I found a cycle in the category graph, and significant overlap. Any suggestions how to merge these or break the cycle? --Scott Davis 12:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Note that "indigenous" in this case is a wider term than "Aboriginal", since it covers Torres Strait Islanders as well. J.K. 13:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if any thought has gone into whether current categories contain "Aboriginal" or "indigenous". I suspect not.--Scott Davis 15:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Currrent hierarchy
  • Cat:Australian Aboriginal culture (12 articles) *
    • Cat:Australian Aboriginal art (1 article)
      • Cat:Australian Aboriginal artists (10 articles) **
      • Cat:Australian Aboriginal music (5 articles) ***
    • Cat:Indigenous peoples of Australia (88 articles)
      • Cat:Australian indigenous actors (6 articles) ****
      • Cat:Australian indigenous politicians (3 articles) #
      • Cat:Australian indigenous communities (21 articles)
      • Cat:Australian indigenous culture ##
      • Cat:Australian indigenous education (0)
        • Cat:Australian indigenous educational institutions (5 articles)
      • Cat:Indigenous peoples of Tasmania (4 articles, each about a single person) *****
      • Cat:Australian indigenous leaders (11 people)
        • Cat:Australian indigenous politicians #
      • Cat:Native title (9 articles)
      • Cat:Australian indigenous sports people (20 articles)
    • Cat:Indigenous peoples of Tasmania *****
    • Cat:Australian Aboriginal languages (26 articles)
    • Cat:Australian Aboriginal mythology (29 articles)
      • Cat:Australian Aboriginal deities (2 articles)
        • Cat:Aboriginal godesses (12)
        • Cat:Aboriginal gods (22)
    • Cat:Australian Aboriginal politics (10 articles)
  • Cat:Australian indigenous culture (5 articles) ##
    • Cat:Australian Aboriginal culture *
    • Cat:Australian indigenous actors ****
    • Cat:Australian Aboriginal artists **
    • Cat:Australian indigenous authors and poets (1 article)
    • Cat:Australian indigenous music (7 articles)
      • Cat:Australian Aboriginal music ***
      • Cat:Australian indigenous music groups (8 articles)
      • Cat:Australian indigenous musicians (15 articles)

My suggested hierarchy:

  • Indigenous peoples of Australia
    • Australian Indigenous politics (renamed Australian Aboriginal politics)
      • (Australian?) Native Title
      • Australian indigenous politicians *
        • Australian indigenous leaders **
    • Australian indigenous people (with quite a few articles currently in Ind. ppls of Aust.)
      • Indigenous Tasmanians (if cat necessary, rename from Ind. ppls of Tas.)
      • Australian indigenous actors
      • Australian indigenous sportspeople
      • Australian indigenous politicians *
        • Australian indigenous leaders **
      • Australian Aboriginal artists ***
      • Australian indigenous musicians ****
    • Australian indigenous education (and subcat, or merge)
    • Australian indigenous communities
    • Australian indigenous culture
      • Australian Aboriginal culture
        • Australian Aboriginal languages
        • Australian Aboriginal mythology (and subcats)
        • Australian Aboriginal music
        • Australian Aboriginal art
          • Australian Aboriginal artists ***
      • Australian indigenous music
        • Australian Aboriginal music
        • Australian indigenous musicians ****
        • Australian indigenous music groups

Maybe A.A.music should be left under A.A art, rather than directly in A.A.culture as I have it, but apart from that I think this should work. JPD 15:16, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

It should be "Indigenous Australian foo" not "Australian indigenous foo".--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Agreed - with the proviso that we think about whether each one should in fact be "Australian Aboriginal foo". We also need some Torres STrait Islander category to collect articles scattered all over the category hierarchy together somewhere. I think Category:Australia is the closest common category for Torres Strait Islanders and Torres Strait Creole. --Scott Davis 15:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, given Indigenous Australian has been rightly recognised as the term of choice for Misplaced Pages content, categories should pretty much correspond. Thus all "Australian Aboriginal" and "Australian indigenous" should probably migrate to "Indigenous Australian". Whether we will need specific "Australian Aboriginal" categories (thus excluding TSI) is now the question to be asked.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 15:30, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I considered this when making the above proposal. IMHO, it is reasonable to have separate subcategories for Aboriginal and TSI topics in the area of culture, particularly language. JPD 16:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I have listed the renaming suggestions (mine and Cyberjunkie's) at Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion#Indigenous Australian categories. JPD 17:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

  1. Where is a documented consensus that "Indigenous Australian has been rightly recognised as the term of choice for Misplaced Pages content"?
  2. Is Tasmanian Aborigine culture sufficiently different to be separated out as a third subordinate under Indigenous Australian culture?
--Scott Davis 04:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Not consensus per se, but below. Notice all references, where appropriate, are being changed from Australian Aboriginals to Indigenous Australians.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I've thought for a long time that the article Australian Aborigine ought to be renamed Indigenous Australians, and all references to "Aborigines" ought to be changed correspondingly. I realise that this would entail a lot of work. I also think there needs to be two separate articles, one on the indigenous peoples themselves, and one on the history of Australian government policy towards them. Plus I think the existing article needs substantial work, whatever it is called. Does anyone agree with me on these points? Adam 11:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I looked at doing that a couple of weeks ago. Indigenous Australians ought to be the main parent article which describes very broad issues that cut across all Indigenous populations. I'd be happy to do some of the work to fix that. --bainer (talk) 11:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree both with JPD's suggestion for cleaning up this mess and Adam's suggestions for fixing the articles themselves. Nice catch, guys. Ambi 12:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
We're gonna need an admin to do the move, since Indigenous Australians has a (some wag correcting 'redirect' to 'REDIRECT'). I'm happy to work on standardising links. --bainer (talk) 13:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Moved. Ambi 14:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Not all Indigenous Australian leaders are politicians, hierarchy should be

  • Indigenous Australian leaders
    • Indigenous Australian politicians

and

  • Australian Indigenous politics (renamed Australian Aboriginal politics)
    • Australian Native Title (add Australian)
    • Indigenous Australian leaders
      • Indigenous Australian politicians

Paul foord 03:35, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't put Indigenous Australian leaders in the politics category. Make Indigenous Australian politicians a subcat of both leaders and politics, but leaders might also include nonpolitical tribal elders for example. --Scott Davis 04:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
What he said. Making it "native title in Australia" would probably be more conventional, too. Ambi 06:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't think Ind. A. politicians should be a subcat of Ind. A. leaders. Is any Indigenous Australian who enters politics a leader? It is arguable that any leader is a "politician" in a broader sense of the word, but if we are not going to have leader as a subcat of politician, then I think they should be distinct categories with overlap. JPD 09:33, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Australian collaboration of the fortnight

Marree Man has been Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight from 3 October 2005 to 16 October 2005

  • 11 contributors made 44 edits
  • The article increased from 0.9kb to 10.5 kb - over ten times longer
  • See how much it changed

Thankyou to those who contributed. The new ACOTF is Sport in Australia, which is a much longer article to start with, but contains many small sections for people to adopt, expand, and perhaps create a daughter article for.

Unfortunately, the other two articles that were in the nominations list (2005 AFL Finals Series and 2005 International Rules Series) will not have enough votes to remain in the voting, but being listed there has attracted attention. So if you consider ACOTF valuable, please consider nominating other Australian articles that are either missing or way too short. --Scott Davis 15:24, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Federal Anti-Terrorism Bill 2005

A new article on Federal Anti-Terrorism Bill 2005 has been commenced by an anon editor and urgently needs some clean up although it is a good start.--User:AYArktos | Talk 20:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Should it be renamed to include the fact that it's Australian? Cnwb 22:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't think so. The current name is only a temporary measure. As soon as the legislation is passed (assuming of course that it is), the Bill becomes an Act, and the article should be moved to the Act's short title, which according to the draft is Anti-Terrorism Act 2005. Snottygobble | Talk 23:25, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I have moved it as "federal" is not very descriptive and may apply to other countries as well. The article is now at Australian Federal Anti-Terrorism Bill 2005. I concur that the article should be renamed if and when it becomes legislation. Note there is already an article at Australian anti-terrorism legislation, 2004 and a merge in the future may be appropriate.--User:AYArktos | Talk 00:03, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Standardize to "(Australian politician)"?

The following dialogue is from my talk page. Comments are welcome. Slac speak up! 04:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Re yr edit, thanks for the diligence, but "standardizing" the Dab'g suffixes for article titles

  1. is a lousy idea bcz it forces long, distracting and potentially confusing titles on the 95% of Dab'd articles for which a short one would work fine;
  2. can't work for the articles that cross domains and would thus be subject to two or more conflicting "standards" (e.g., Australian politicians notable
    • in other fields like writing about political science or policy matters, or acting in movies,
    • for roles in international organizations,
    • for receiving prizes,
    • for (like Pres. Carter) using public office as a stepping-stone to greatness,
    • etc.)
  3. is irresponsible if you don't have a means (better than editing the URL; ask me) to find the (supposedly) non-standard existing rd-lks, so you can count them and, if still appropriate, "fix" them; the 16 IW (politician) lks (mostly old) should convince you of this.

As at least an interim remedy, i'm reverting that edit.
--Jerzy•t 00:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm having a little trouble following some of the bases of your objection. Specifically,
  1. It's two words - no more, no less - this seems to me to largely eliminate the potential for distraction. Articles on politicians are relatively common on wikipedia; for those who have common names, it's likely that we'll require nationality disambiguators (Mike Ahern comes to mind here). One downside of inconsistently using nationality disambiguators is that some politician articles get saddled with the "long, distracting and potentially confusing" extra bit, while others don't. More common names will require more extensive disambiguators than less common ones, which is undesirable.
  2. I believe it does work for people who cross domains; John Latham (Australian jurist) and Denis Murphy (Australian politician) come to mind. At any rate; redirects are cheap - eg. John Latham (Australian politician) already exists. If we settle on a few standard terms to use (eg. politician, author, journalist) etc, but not "Nobel-prize winner", "human rights advocate" etc, confusion is reduced.
  3. I don't see how the fact that non-standard links are hard to find is a basis for not eliminating them. It's precisely *because* they're hard to find that they must be eliminated.
Slac speak up! 03:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
If I understand correctly, you are only talking about standardising the form of article titles for Australian politicians whose article titles cannot be their names due to disambiguation requirements? I am in favour of a standardised form, and I think (Australian politician) is a good one. One difficulty not raised by User:Jerzy above is the problem of multiple Australian politicians having the same name. e.g. Thomas Brown (Australian pastoralist) (a W.A. politician) versus Thomas Brown (Australian federal politician). Snottygobble | Talk 05:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I came across this problem when creating pages like Members of the Australian House of Representatives, 1901-1903. 95% of the time, using "Australian politician" as the dabbing phrase works just fine. Problems come with, for example, Donald Cameron. There are at least two Canadian politicians with that name, at least one U.S. politician, and five Australian politicians (all federal MHRs). I still have no idea how to sort that out until articles are written on all of them and we find out what exactly they were notable for, then an alternative dab phrase can be found. But in most cases, "Australian politician" works just fine. --bainer (talk) 06:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Here is a solution for the Australian Donald Camerons.

Adam 06:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

There's no need to tack (Australian politician) onto the end where there's the middle name too. Personally, I'd make Donald Cameron (Australian politician) a disambiguation page, and use the middle names for everyone else. I also strongly disagree with doing it across the board - it's ugly and completely unnecessary. Ambi 08:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, fair enough.

Donald Cameron, Australian politician (disambiguation)

Adam 08:38, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

  1. "Watiyawanu / Mt Liebig - MacDonnell Shire". Archived from the original on 2011-04-06.
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