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::That's not what is at stake here. The page name needs to be changed back to ]. One of the points of the FAR (My concerns#5) has been that both the literature section and the mother article have never been about Kannada literature ''within'' the ], and that among other things they have included non-Kingdom-of-Mysore literature through the artifice of sections like , which describe the Kannada literature of surrounding kingdoms. You need to explain why you are doing this now and why these latest changes cannot be accommodated in more "Contemporary developments." ]] 22:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC) ::That's not what is at stake here. The page name needs to be changed back to ]. One of the points of the FAR (My concerns#5) has been that both the literature section and the mother article have never been about Kannada literature ''within'' the ], and that among other things they have included non-Kingdom-of-Mysore literature through the artifice of sections like , which describe the Kannada literature of surrounding kingdoms. You need to explain why you are doing this now and why these latest changes cannot be accommodated in more "Contemporary developments." ]] 22:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::It is you who needs to explain why you linked one of your issues to a sub-article, when the FAR is about the main article. Sub-articles are meant to be expanded and that is what I did. I dont need to explain anything. I have made 27,000 edits on wiki, did I explain them all to you?] (]) 23:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC) ::::It is you who needs to explain why you linked one of your issues to a sub-article, when the FAR is about the main article. Sub-articles are meant to be expanded and that is what I did. I dont need to explain anything. I have made 27,000 edits on wiki, did I explain them all to you?] (]) 23:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==A record of the creation of this page and its name changes==
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#'''''' (edit summary, "literature") a '''literature''' section is added to the ] article from a mother article ''']'''
#The mother article, ], (''this'' article) was itself largely created
# At this time ] had . Of these, some
##40 odd were to Pranesh (2003), which is
### a Bangalore University ''Music'' Department Dissertation,
### which was published locally in Bangalore by a local publisher (i.e. not India-wide), and which has
### no ISBN information;
##some 20 odd to Narasimhacharya's 1934 ''History of Kannada Literature'', whose facsimile reprint was being cited—some 70 years after Narasimhacharya's 1936 death— as Narasimhacharya (1988);
## and the remaining 10 odd to the old workhorse, Kamath (2001), which is
### a Karnataka college text book, which is printed in new "editions" every year,
### has with no ISBN information,
### written by a former Reader in History, Bangalore University, who has
#### on the topic "Mysore," in Google Scholar, out of a total of in the Social Sciences and Humanities published between 1970 and 2008, who is
####also known as the Chairman of the Editorial Committee of middle- and high-school text-books introduced in his home state of ] in the late-1990s. The text-books garnered a review titled, , in the magazine '']''. Later, India's ]-led government implemented some of the ideas in Karnataka's pioneering textbooks at an all-India level. Those textbooks in turn received wide international recognition, for example, in the review, titled, , in the ], who was
####also featured in a newspaper article titled, , which has been on such websites as (for meaning of "Hindutva" see ]). Dr. Kamath's ideas have also been featured on Misplaced Pages, for example, on the page ], and who has
#### espoused ] in his closing remarks in an interview on , "The volunteers of organizations such as ] need to rise to occasion to influence young minds into greater values of life,"
# The page name was changed in '''''' to ''']'''.
#In '''''' it was changed to ''']''', without any prior discussion on the talk page here. ]] 00:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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Sentence from 18th/19th literature section

"His contributions to treatises on music include Nija Dipika Ratna, Anubhava Rasayana, Bhakti Marga Sarovara and Gnana Sarovara, both with eighty six compositions, and a host of sangatya, gadya, vachana compositions and eighteen philosophical compositions in the work Shalyada Arasinavara Tikina Kirtane."

I'm not sure exactly what this means - what two compositions does "both" refer to? I've left it as is for now, because I don't want to change the intended meaning. Damanmundine1 11:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Iwill refer to my book and make sure I did not alter the intended meaning.thanksDineshkannambadi 13:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a minor uncontroversial move

You are in the middle of a FAR on Kingdom of Mysore, in which one of the issues being discussed is the page name "Kingdom of Mysore" and whether it is appropriate. This page name includes "Kingdom of Mysore" as an integral part; furthermore, it is the mother article of a section in the Kingdom of Mysore page. You cannot simply change the name without informing anyone on this talk page, and, to boot, check the "minor edit" box in the edit notes. This is a very controversial move and it has to be done through the proper channels. Before you can even attempt to do that though, you need to conduct a discussion on this talk and provide your reasons for requesting this move. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

If a larger set of writers are to be included, you nonetheless need to tell us who they are, how much content will their inclusion add, but most importantly why does the page name need to be changed now, when for many many months you have used artifices like naming (long) sections, "Contemporary developments and then including material that did not contemporaneously originate within the realm of the Kingdom of Mysore. Why do we need this change now, when we didn't need it earlier? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Read the article and enjoy it. As the author of the article, I dont see what the problem is in changing the name to what I feel is appropriate at any point in time. If the PR or FAC reviewers dont like it, I will change it to what they feel is correct. Is there a wiki rule that the entire sub-article, line to line, should include only info on Mysore kingdom? I think not. I wanted to expand it, so I did it.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 22:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Since I am disputing the page name change, you need to do it through the proper channels of a "controversial move." As simple as that. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Nothing controversial here. The article includes literature from outside Mysore too.. and it would be incorrect to name it to suggest otherwise. The new title, if anything, is a more accurate description of the content of the article. Sarvagnya 22:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I have left a question with the FAR directors since your first revert was based on the FAR. I will go by their advice. If you continue to protest and change the name back, for no good reason, then we can bring in admins.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 22:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for asking the FAR directors. I do protest the change without any prior discussion on the talk page. Since I subscribe to 1RR, I will, however, not revert user:Sarvagyna's revert move. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

(unindent)What I am suggesting is not that the sub-article's name "remain frozen," but rather that when such a name change involves issues related to the FAR (and explicitly discussed in My concerns (#5)), it should be discussed on the talk page first. The page move certainly shouldn't be made without any explanation anywhere and with the "minor edit" box checked. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The subarticle's name has changed now in the FAR article, in the name of accuracy and improvements that a FAR is all about.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 22:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
That's not what is at stake here. The page name needs to be changed back to Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore. One of the points of the FAR (My concerns#5) has been that both the literature section and the mother article have never been about Kannada literature within the Kingdom of Mysore, and that among other things they have included non-Kingdom-of-Mysore literature through the artifice of sections like Contemporary developments, which describe the Kannada literature of surrounding kingdoms. You need to explain why you are doing this now and why these latest changes cannot be accommodated in more "Contemporary developments." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
It is you who needs to explain why you linked one of your issues to a sub-article, when the FAR is about the main article. Sub-articles are meant to be expanded and that is what I did. I dont need to explain anything. I have made 27,000 edits on wiki, did I explain them all to you?Dineshkannambadi (talk) 23:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

A record of the creation of this page and its name changes

Fowler&fowler's record of major edits to this page
  1. 23:53 16 September 2007 edit (edit summary, "literature") a literature section is added to the Kingdom of Mysore article from a mother article Mysore Kingdom literature
  2. The mother article, Mysore Kingdom literature, (this article) was itself largely created between 23 August and 25 August 2007
  3. At this time Mysore Kingdom literature had 68 footnotes counting repeats. Of these, some
    1. 40 odd were to Pranesh (2003), which is
      1. a Bangalore University Music Department Dissertation,
      2. which was published locally in Bangalore by a local publisher (i.e. not India-wide), and which has
      3. no ISBN information;
    2. some 20 odd to Narasimhacharya's 1934 History of Kannada Literature, whose facsimile reprint was being cited—some 70 years after Narasimhacharya's 1936 death— as Narasimhacharya (1988);
    3. and the remaining 10 odd to the old workhorse, Kamath (2001), which is
      1. a Karnataka college text book, which is printed in new "editions" every year,
      2. has with no ISBN information,
      3. written by a former Reader in History, Bangalore University, who has
        1. One publication on the topic "Mysore," in Google Scholar, out of a total of 7,490 scholarly publications in the Social Sciences and Humanities published between 1970 and 2008, who is
        2. also known as the Chairman of the Editorial Committee of middle- and high-school text-books introduced in his home state of Karnataka in the late-1990s. The text-books garnered a review titled, Mis-oriented textbooks, in the magazine Frontline. Later, India's BJP-led government implemented some of the ideas in Karnataka's pioneering textbooks at an all-India level. Those textbooks in turn received wide international recognition, for example, in the review, titled, Hijacking India's History, in the New York Times, who was
        3. also featured in a newspaper article titled, "Aryan race did not exist, says Suryanath Kamath", which has been featured again on such websites as Hindutva Vivek Kendra (for meaning of "Hindutva" see Hindutva). Dr. Kamath's ideas have also been featured on Misplaced Pages, for example, on the page Indigenous Aryans, and who has
        4. espoused Hindu nationalism in his closing remarks in an interview on private history website Kamat.com, "The volunteers of organizations such as RSS need to rise to occasion to influence young minds into greater values of life,"
  4. The page name was changed in in this edit of 13 October 2007 to Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore.
  5. In this edit of 16 December 2008 it was changed to Kannada literature, 1600–1900 CE, without any prior discussion on the talk page here. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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