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Meatpuppet?

Bouncehoper: What the crap is a meatpuppet?

Baegis: A marionette that subsists on a diet solely of meat and its derivatives.

Bouncehoper: ...How is that different than a sockpuppet? (also, makes me hungry....)

Baegis: Sockpuppets, of course, eat cotton products, which are severely lacking in nutrition and deliciousness.

Bouncehoper: How....strange....lol. thanks!

from Baegis's talk page

The 25 DYK Medal

		The 25 DYK Medal
		For your continuous WP:DYK contributions on various topics related to Korea, such as clothing, food, events, places, biographies, etc., I, RyanCross (talk · contribs), hereby award Caspian blue (talk · contribs) The 25 DYK Medal! Great work, and keep up your contributions to DYK! I bet you can get everything that is Korean on the Main Page, you just have to keep at it like you're doing now. Take care, and enjoy this medal from me. :-) – RyanCross (talk) 01:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Congrats Caspian. Perhaps you could expand Heo Nanseolheon I just started and make it no.26? The Bald One 15:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Came across it on my travels, I also have proposed a {{Korea-writer-stub}} as amazingly it didn't exist yet, (I mean how many notable writers could we write about on wikipedia through the entirety of history the mind boggles). Its a shame we can't clone you hundreds of times given the content missing or that needs developing for korea!. Worse even is the coverage of Vietnam and Burma we have on here. I was watching By Any Means (which I am writing week by week on here) last night and he went though Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand which as you know is a part of the world that inspires me and it was just amazing. He rode in a rocket boat down the Mekong for some part which was probably one of the coolest modes of transport I;ve seen. Even the articles on the largest cities in Vietnam are barely beyond stubs. If only we could cover it all in detail like America and the UK and have rleiable and abundant sources to boot. I'm currently stubbing Japanese dams in the hope that they will be translated from Japanese wiki. Hope you are well friend The Bald One 16:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. 95% of the articles we have related to Vietnam above a start class are Vietnam War and likely to be written from an American point of view, however neutral it strives to be. Thats why I use wikipedia to explore places and culture which I don't know about or will never get to see. Sure writing articles about films and local places and that which you are familiar with can be fun, but my overall goal and purpose on wikipedia is to branch out in the "grey areas" of the world from a "western" viewpoint. Given the extreme bias and the ignorance of many to "foreign" places, this is practically anything from Tijuana down to Tierra del Fuego, from Cairo to Walvis Bay, from Ankara eastwards to Tokyo etc. IN places the coverage seems unbelievably developed but browse through most of the categories on locations in Latin America, Africa and Asia and very few of articles on even major towns and cities are of a good standard, let alone 95% of the rest of the country which is "ignored" as of now. The strength of wikipedia really is from the people who live or are aquainted with cultures or places in "other" parts of the world and are able to develop it from their world viewpoint. Given time, I anticipate that people learning English in the developing world who increasingly have access to to computers and the web will begin to appear on increasingly on here. The unfortunate thing is that most people who visit wikipedia use us rather than nurture us, so the bulk of the work is done by a few thousand people. If we could maximise our potential, we'd see things start to change very fast and wikipedia would start growing at a rate which would seem more in keeping with its global reach The Bald One 17:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Hong Nan-pa

On 6 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hong Nan-pa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Kkachi durumagi

On 7 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kkachi durumagi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 16:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Good work

Good work on 최진실. Her suicide was really shocking, wasn't it. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, it still needs major revamping. The death was very tragic....--Caspian blue (talk) 18:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

You got a thank you card!

A Thank You Card!

Dear Caspian blue, thank you so much for your contribution to my request for Adminship I can tell you is this: I shall try not to disappoint you nor anyone else with my use of the buttons... and if I mess up, please tell me! :) If you ever need my help, either for admin-related stuff or in any other way, you are welcome to ask, and I shall do my very best. Please take care. G.A.S 17:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Chinese shoes

A complicated subject to be sure. This is what I can dig up without too much trouble:

• 履 lǚ: cloth low-top shoes
• 屐 bǐng: wood sole shoes, "clogs"
• 靴 xuē: ankle to knee high boots
• 屣 xǐ: crappy straw flip-flops
• 屨 or 屦: straw or vine shoe-like sandals

jianlian (金蓮) is a euphemism for bound-feet the shoes for those feet are call 金蓮履 I'll do something with the hats when there is time. Sjschen (talk) 18:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Caspian blue, I'd like to thank you for voting in my RFA. Thanks also for expressing your trust in me, and I hope that I live up to your expectations. Don't forget, if you have any questions (or bits of advice), please leave a message on my talk page. Thanks again, Spencer 02:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Empress Myeongseong

I don't really care about our issues on the article in question, I honestly believe that while we might each have different perspectives on the incident, that neither of us are trying to deceive anyone, we just want to emphasize different aspects of the article in different ways.

However, this new edit seems to be very different from anything I have read in the past - is it anywhere near the truth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Empress_Myeongseong&diff=prev&oldid=243863203

Sennen goroshi (talk) 13:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I deleted the articles you regarded my OR by Administrator. and I deleted the citation from Annals of Gojong, too. I didn't know UNESCO didn't designate it as the master piece unlike other annals. I'm sorry and thank you,Caspian blue.--Bukubku (talk) 03:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Choi Jin-sil

On 9 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Choi Jin-sil, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 01:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Chinese New Year

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Chinese New Year. Thank you. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 03:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

A Big Thank You

Thank you very much for the barnstar - it's nice to be appreciated. I'll keep slugging away at that article. Waygugin (talk) 14:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

hello

is operating two accounts called sockpuppeting? Btzkillerv (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured Sounds

I have occasionally voted oppose, but I try not to vote too often (where I don't nominate) unless there's a point of order to bring up, e.g. where I feel policy is being misapplied, or in order to speed on things that seem fairly obviously to meet criteria, but which haven't made the quorum after 14 days. As a check, User:MZMcBride - wh I suppose would count as the deputy FSC director if we had proper titles - has agreed to make all judgements on whether things that I have been involved with get promoted or not.

More to the point - I think it's useful to keep standards a bit lower for the moment in order that we can achieve the critical mass that allows us to attract people who are able to raise standards higher. I've looked into the history of other featured content procedures, and it seems that standards will self-correct in time, but all successful Featured content projects had much lower standards at the start than they do now, and I suspect that holding featured sounds to similar levels before we get the talented people we need will only serve to keep featured sounds as a minority featured content process. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

...for the support in my recent RfA which just passed. Kindest, Lazulilasher (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Krugman image

My argument overall for images taken from the Princeton Communications Office (see also) is that on the office's site, under a section saying "Policies and restrictions", the only restriction relevant to these images is "Credit must be provided to..." I don't presume that there are double secret restrictions that aren't listed there. In contrast, it does include additional restrictions for certain classes of images: certain buildings and the University symbols. It also indicates a separate section of photos (not the one the Krugman photo et al come from) stated to be "for news media". It also goes on to say that there are other images available (i.e. not online) that do have additional/other restrictions on purpose of use and that do cost money.

I've emailed the PCO a couple of times for the brain-dead sure-fire absoposidefinite answer that a few people have been desirous of, and they have not given me one. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Improper use of vandal warnings

Do not accuse editors of vandalism simply because you disagree with their edits. This was a totally unacceptable use of a warning template. Please attempt to resolve your differences with other editors in a more constructive manner in future. WJBscribe (talk) 23:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandal section

Who vandalised this talk page shamelessly.

• 162.84.134.72 (talk · contribs) (verizon.net) - > Sock of ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ (talk · contribs)
• RestoreTheking (talk · contribs) = ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ (talk · contribs)
• 58.10.12.99 (talk · contribs), 58.10.12.121 (talk · contribs) (asianet.co.th) shameless vandal
• 221.90.44.164 (talk · contribs)(bbtec.net)
• Tanaka-san (talk · contribs) = Pabopa (talk · contribs)'s sock

--Caspian blue (talk) 12:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Quaternionenadler

Thank you for the message you left on my talk page. I would personally love to support the Quaternionenadler to become a FP. I first made the vector image as a 'key' to refer to the picture and the original, and I would hope eventually I could make an imagemap so if you clicked on the shield it would take you to the article for the state. As for the article, I would love to move it into the mainspace; however at the moment it is very Work In Progress, as all the shields need to be identified. If you could help, it would be much appreciated, however if not I would see if I could put a link on the nomination page, and then transfer it in a few days. Some more history of the eagle may be best, as currently the page seems only to glorify my image, but I shall begin researching that soon, I am a bit bogged down at the moment!--23230 16:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

From Balloonman: Making it official

The Sea of Japan naming dispute

Hello Caspian blue, could you please explain your revert here more clearly and deeply? Thank you. --Valentim (talk) 22:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

The reason is very simple. The two pictures represents both claims as evidence, and you deleted only one side.--Caspian blue (talk) 22:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank your for your response. --Valentim (talk) 22:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I'm sorry if I disappointed you. I simply do not understand your claim about the map. I took Kusunose was trying to be neutral by exclude the domestic map made by Korean. If the map should be included in the article, then a domestic map made by Japanese should be included too. I think what is rational is to add a map showing East Sea made by a non-Korean/non-Japanese person. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I basically think the old domestic Korean/Japanese maps are not needed in the article. But if you do not agree. Then revert my edit when possible. You have a right to revert any other editor's edit as I have. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 06:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Nihonjoe's abuse of the admin tools: False charge for "3RR on The Sea of Japan naming dispute"

• See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive485#User:Nihonjoe's bad faith behaviors

{{unblock|I don't exceed 3RR and rather have used discussion pages for my edits. I opened up discussion by myself twice. I only reverted twice for the article in question in 24 hours. However, Nihonjoe falsely accused me for violating 3RR but also blocked me for his mistake. When my edit was reverted, I used relevant talk pages and talked to the users in dispute, but why should I be blocked by the admin? Kusunose (talk · contribs) reverted 3 times in a row, but admin Nihonjoe who has charged for WP:WikiProject Japan and has some multiple issues with me in the past, only blocked for the false charge. My last revert was 6 hours ago, when my last edit (second revert in this 24 hours) was contested, I did not even try to revert the edit by Oda Mari (talk · contribs). I rather waited for her response for her revert. I think Nihonjoe has sought to block me at this time for his issue, so I request for unblock. I don't believe the admin is impartial for Japan-Korea disputes as well as toward me. The admin has falsely accused me of being a somebody's sock without any evidences, so I have protested him for it and everything of our dispute stems from his initial refusal to apologize his accusation made in public and continued insults against me. I have tried to have good faith toward him but he now blocked for the false charge. Please see the diffs and relevant pages provided below. Thank you.--Caspian blue 05:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)}}

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): I have reviewed the edits more closely and determined that I was mistaken in seeing the same image being placed and removed four times. I apologize for misreading the edits. I have removed the block. Request handled by: ···日本穣 08:33, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• These would be references for the reason why Nihonjoe falsely blocked me.
  • User_talk:Nihonjoe/Archive_30#Reincarnation?
  • User_talk:Nihonjoe/Archive_33#Blade_of_the_Phantom_Master
  • User_talk:Nihonjoe/Archive_34#Need your help
  • Talk:Liancourt Rocks#Infobox
• All my edits on The Sea of Japan naming dispute
  • 2008-10-15T21:48:22 revert
  • 2008-10-15T23:56:33 revert
  • 2008-10-16T00:11:28 new edit (there is no equal or similar edit ever before)
  • 2008-10-16T23:10:47 revert

• All edits by Kusunose
  • 2008-10-15T23:48:28 revert
  • 2008-10-16T00:06:54 revert
  • 2008-10-16T00:43:47 revert

• My opened discussions
  • 2008-10-16T01:05:012008-10-16T14:59:20 at Talk:The Sea of Japan naming dispute
  • 2008-10-17T05:20:252008-10-17T05:45:01 at User talk:Oda_Mari--Caspian blue 06:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

So where is a 3RR violation? The 3rd edit was not even a revert since there is no similar edit for it. Moreover, Nihonjoe falsely accuses my last edit occurred past in 1 day and one hour for my first edit as gaming the system. I don't edit Misplaced Pages 24 hours a day and examine the time. If the blocking admin wants to block me for edit warring and blatant disregard for consensus, there should be evidences provided by him. Kusunose (talk · contribs) is not blocked by Nihonjoe, so the rationale is not fit to the situation.--Caspian blue 06:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't flatter yourself, Caspian blue. I'm not out to get you. I came upon this article while investigating something different by another user. You reverted the removal/movement of the same content four times within slightly more than 24 hours (a little less than 26 hours to be exact). I think you're a fine editor, and you generally do a lot of good here. However, gaming the system by waiting slightly more than 24 hours to do the fourth edit is not acceptable. As you and Kusunose seem to have a disagreement over the inclusion of (or placement of) this information, you need to work out your differences on the talk page first and then make edits once you come to a consensus. Please note that Kusunose was warned for coming close to violating 3RR in the same article (he only made 3 edits), so I was fair in applying this policy. If this continues on this article, it will likely be protected to prevent anyone from edit warring. ···日本穣 06:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Do not insult me as you have done a lot to me like these I made 4 edits in total, and one edit is not even a revert. Moreover, my reverts only constitutes twice in 24 hours. Gaming the system? You falsely said that my last edit was past a day and one hour after my first edit. Your bad faith is toxic. I want you to at least take it to the ANI if you have some conscience. I've sought for consensus, and you blocked me for your issue.--Caspian blue 06:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I've posted a note on ANI. ···日本穣 06:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I have reviewed the edits more closely ad determined that I was mistaken in seeing the same image being placed and removed four times. I apologize for misreading the edits. I have removed the block. ···日本穣 08:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Quaternion Eagle from c. 1510

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, Image:Quaterionenadler David de Negker.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. MER-C 08:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured pictures

Hi Caspian. I don't have any experience with featured pictures but what do you think of this image? Its probably against criteria or a lousy photograph in the mind of photograph specialists but I thought it was an excellent image. Any thoughts?Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, thats what I thought. It is scenery wise a superb picture but I didn't think it was sharp enough for FA. Just imagine how it would look if taken by a professional photographer with a high quality camera! Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 10:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Mofongo

Thank you. That's a good edit, and helpful. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure, I'm also a member of WP:FOOD. Regards.--Caspian blue 00:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the cat pics on your page. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you like the cat. She seems to have many fans at Flickrs.--Caspian blue 03:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Images

Hey CB. If you notice any other Korean editors with a poor knowledge of image copyright policies uploading a rash of likely copyright violations, please give me a heads-up. Thanks, Deiz talk 10:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Again, I appreciate the reasons why they are uploading images, and I don't want to "hurt their feelings". However, copyright is serious, and ignorance of this is not a defence. Thanks for passing on coaching tips. Deiz talk 03:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

FYI, Byeonggwan (talk · contribs) has encountered further serious problems today and incurred a further block. Deiz talk 03:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

After re-reading your last post on my talk, I wonder what you mean by "I was afraid about the result"? A new editor who is uploading a number of probable or clear copyright violating images in a short time can be blocked for a short time - usually between 15 minutes and 3 hours depending on the circumstances - in order to get an initial message across and find out if the editor is communicative. This is nothing to be afraid of, and protects WP. An editor who is serious about learning proper editing protocols should not be put off by this. Deiz talk 06:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Funny sockpuppeter: Michael Friedrich and his offspring D10 Spada

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Michael Friedrich
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pabopa
• D10 Spada (talk · contribs)'s visits here

According to Michael Friedrich (talk · contribs)'s own introduction, he is a young Japanese-Australian. But he wrote somewhere he has lived in Japan more than 20 years. After pointed out on this along with his "intermediate" level of English, he said he just lived 5 years in Australia, but his heart is still there.(lol) He excused that his sockpuppet, Robert Houdini (talk · contribs) is his younger brother whose behaviors and agendas are identical to MF. After his graduation from University of Tokyo, the most prestigious university in Japan, he said the alleged brother went to U.S to study, but the last time stamp on August 31 does not make any sense. Robert Houdini claims he is a half Korean living in Japan. But Michael excused that he has Korean grandfather, so is automatically a descendant of Zainichi Korean based on Nagoya. But he had uploaded many bashing copyrighted images of 2002 Worldcup against Korea as well as his very negative edits on the subject. He said that's why he can read Korean language due to his home environment, and learned it to know more about Korean culture. However, he alleged that kimchi, Korean soul food was introduced to the West by Japanese first just like ramen.(lol) To sum up, he is a Korean-Japanese-Australian with poor Korean and English ability as well as with having a strong anti-Korean sentiment. Nevertheless, two checkusers confirmed the mentioned two are the same sock. Extremely rude D10 Spada (talk · contribs) (of course, sock of Michael) shouted that "I'm no interest in you", but his edit contracts his claim.(lol) It is so sad to see that possibly a elite young man of Japan blatantly disregard rules here and becomes a troll.-Caspian blue 11:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• Note This is a reminder for me because I know the troll would not cease to edit English Misplaced Pages along with comitting various violation like WP:CANVASS.--Caspian blue 11:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Japan-Korea articles

I strongly encourage all editors on Japan-Korea articles to discuss issues calmly on talk pages not edit war. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Let's go to Mediation

I don't like worthless edition war. Administrators recommend us going to Misplaced Pages:Mediation. Many Administrators are watching us. We have to resolve this problem and recover the order. Let's go to Misplaced Pages:Mediation about Woo Jang-choon. I call for Sennen goroshi, too.--Bukubku (talk) 00:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Please, send me back your reply.--Bukubku (talk) 00:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yamashita's gold

Greetings...are you even reading the discussion on the talk page before making changes? The lawsuit is not being debated, but the huge amounts of false and dubious statements. As well as the fabricated statements. It would probably be more helpful for you to make your comments on the talk page than “drive-by” reverts. Jim (talk) 00:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Your stated: "The article has caught my attention because you have been reported to ANI numerous times". If you take the time to read those reports, you would see they are from the same person (other than my recent 3R). They just happen to be an Admin who was resentful to me for removing his false and dubious statements from this same article. Jim (talk) 00:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. Jim is an internet bully. He is intellectually dishonest. I honestly believe that he knows that the material that I have provided is true, reliable and verifiable. I have been painstakingly explaining it to him since August. He has some undisclosed interest in the subject. I suspect a conflict of interest. Why else would someone be so fanatical about distorting the truth abut such an obscure subject? 98.151.55.160 (talk) 05:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

You said: "Then, I would say I agree with the IP users (not one person as you allege) The IP Editor is using a dynamic IP and the address has changed three times over the past few months. You claim they are all three different users? Jim (talk) 02:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect, if you cannot tell by the similarities in writting, claims and context presented they are the same user, then I will gracefully bid you a good day and go about my business. Jim (talk) 02:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Naksansa

Thank you so much for your kind comments about my Naksansa submission. I did spent quite a bit of time and effort on it, hoping to do well, given my experience. The fact that someone with your depth of knowledge, experience and accomplishments here takes the time to send me these favorable comments is greatly appreciated. I am also pleased to find that you feel this effort worthy of some recognition, although I am not familiar with this feature. I did read the WP:DYK entry (is this the "guide line" to which you refer?) but felt somewhat overwhelmed by all the rules and regulations therein. May I assume since you have nominated the Naksansa article that it meets these requirements? I understand that "Misplaced Pages:CITE#Inline_reference" needs to be embedded within the article but do not know where; beginning, end, or any place specefic. You will need to advise me please. With sincere appreciation Steve46814 (talk) 05:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanations on how to use the inline reference tags. I will do my best to properly incorporate these structures in my future endeavors. I have a question about one word you added into the Naksansa "Revision as of 20:15, October 30, 2008' in the ==History== section; "Naksansa was founded in 671 CE, by the Buddhist monk, Uisang Daesa (Grand Mater Uisang) . . ." I suspect that "Grand Mater Uisang" should read "Grand Master Uisang". I can find references to "Grand Master" but none relating to Buddhism or the title/ranking of Buddhist hierarchy. The only references to "Mater" found are exclusive of the term "Grand". Thank you again for all your gracious assistance and instruction.Steve46814 (talk) 05:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

ANI thread

Hello, Caspian blue. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding "anti-Japanese racial attacking". The discussion is about the topic Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User: Caspian blue. Thank you. --Kralizec! (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Otello

Actually, I vaguely recall looking at an Otello recording the other day. Let me see if I can find it again.

Is there any rush on it? Just that I prefer to do them over two days. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, having checked, the short answer is "Which aria(s)?" - There's tons of stuff from it. I'm happy to do a lot of work on it - I was thinking Verdi, Wagner or Donizetti would be a good followup to the Puccini project - but if you want something quickly, it would herlp if you could make some suggestions.

Possibilities include:

• any and all of these (we cannot use the restored mp3s from there, but most of those should clean up fine)

• most of the pre-1923 ones listed here

• Quite a lot of others. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to get that record and make a transfer of it, I will clean it up for you. I'm afraid it doesn't appear to be on the archives I've checked. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the poster's actually for the play, by the way, but, hey, we need some Verdi. How about this one (I think I can clean it up decently). It's just piano and voice, but it's by the creator of the role. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

This recording is incredible. Wait until you hear the cleaned version! Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

And now I'm having second thoughts. Is that an improvement on:

or am I just adding more flaws? This one doesn't edit very well. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you Korean

--Seoul 04:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Naksansa

On 1 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Naksansa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 15:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

About "North Korea"

Hello! I’m from Mainland China. And I want to talk about the article “North Korea” with you.

If the relational things in my memory are not error, the Misplaced Pages has a rule, such as if a word is translated from X language, it should be written with its original word in X language, such as the word “China” in English Misplaced Pages should be written with “中國”, because “China” is translated from “中國” in Chinese Language.

As everyone knows, the English word “North Korea” is translated from the Korean word “북한”. So it should be written with its Korean original word based on the relational rule in Misplaced Pages.

You could leave words in there if you want to write back.

————自由华夏 (talk) 01:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked all three of you for edit-warring on Comfort women. I know you've had a lot of trouble with stalkers and abusive socks on that article, but in this case you do seem to be also quite stubbornly edit-warring, I hope you'll find ways of dealing with the dispute differently. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Caspian blue (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

So there is no 3RR on the article nor even 2RR, but WP:V, WP:CONSENSUS are requested core principals to maintain the highly sensitive article. I have tried to keep the principles but the two users have constantly blanked out massive information cited by reliable sources and altered contents with deceptive edit summaries (POV, unreliable sources, unrelated, etc). A discussion with one person who returns from his long-term break had no fruitful result (his rationale is "I only reverted to Sennen goroshi's version" etc). The other, Sennen goroshi has kept blanking the article to near vandalism because I edit the article per his usual habit of "follwing me". Therefore, I contest this block. Uninvolved admin's review would be appreciated. Thanks.

Decline reason:

Unblock requests limited to complaints against others are inadequate; see WP:GAB. You must address the block reason and your conduct. —  Sandstein  21:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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RfA thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which recently passed with 126 in support, 22 in opposition and 6 neutral votes. Thanks for your support in my RFA!! • If you want to reply to this message please use my talk page as watch listing about 150 pages is a bit messy • ·Add§hore· /Cont 21:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Mediation

Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-11-06 Woo Jang-choon Here's hoping it helps your dispute. Best wishes, Durova 01:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Magoja

Hello! I have reviewed your submission of Magoja at the Did You Know nominations page. I noticed some issues that need to be clarified, and have left comments for you underneath your nomination's entry. Please respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Politizer /_contribs 16:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I have uploaded an image of an old gentleman I spotted in Seoul wearing traditional Korean dress. This appears to be a vest rather than the Magoja in your article. I see what looks like five jade buttons so I'm sure this is not a Magoja. I did not assign a Category as I don't know how to define this type of dress or if it would have any value to you in any of your articles. Anyway, here it is; Image:Korea-Seoul 0589-06 traditional dress.JPG for your consideration.Steve46814 (talk) 06:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

care to join in?

might be nice if we both contributed here, it is certainly better resolved on a talk page, than with another 48 hour block

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Comfort_women#Proposed_changes

Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Later, I gotta do something right now in my real life.--Caspian blue 16:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Dream Cinema

I'm currently writing an article for Dream Cinema, a movie theatre in Seoul. My sources say that it was due to be torn down this year, but I can't find anything (in English) that says if this actually happened or not. As I am unable to read Korean, is there any chance you could take a quick look for any Korean-language sources? Thanks in advance. PC78 (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! PC78 (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I have now created the article (Dream Cinema) using one of the sources you gave me. If you have a moment, could you please check ref #3 and make sure I have understood the source correctly? PC78 (talk) 04:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for magoja

On 8 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article magoja, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Victuallers (talk) 20:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello, Caspian blue. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Tan | 39 05:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

MedCab

Hi. A MedCab case has been opened here, regarding Woo Jang-choon. You have been named as a participant. Please visit the case page and indicate whether or not you will participate. Thank you. 23:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I redacted your comment because large parts of it were incivil and assumed bad faith, which doesn't help mediation. I have asked Durova to come and clarify what is going on. Can you trust me to help make sure that both of you get a chance to speak, and help you both come to an understanding? 20:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Most MedCab cases are handled by non-admins, actually. I understand that you're not calm right now--but don't you see that you accusing him of being a liar is just as bad as him calling you a liar? It doesn't matter if you're right, it matters that saying it doesn't help. Please trust me, okay? We will get to the truth, and we will settle whatever problems you two are having with each other. I just need you to be polite while we do it, even if you are right, okay? 21:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

You can ask the question. It is the way you asked the question that is the problem. Please remove all the personal attacks, and please direct the question at me. You can, for example, ask: "I don't understand what the dispute is. Can Bukubku please explain?" 21:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

re:You've got

Thanks Caspian-- I suppose I'm just recognizing my actual "semi-" status, since I'm still poking around here now & then. I've just added a little on Song Il-gon's latest, and noticed that we don't seem to have an article on the actor Moon Seong-geun... I noticed that the film article, Virgin Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, spells his name as Mun Seong-kun, Green Fish spells it Moon Sung-keun... so maybe we have an article started on him somewhere, but under a different spelling? Not sure which one to use... Anyway, this news article might help with such an article-- it says he was Vice-chairman of the Korean Film Council in 1999. Dekkappai (talk) 20:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Caspian. You mean Reverend Moon Sun-myung? Yes, he and his "Moonies" are very well-known in the U.S. Or do you mean Moon Ik-hwan? His name rings a bell... I've heard it somewhere... but no, definitely not before I lived in Korea. Dekkappai (talk) 00:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Gibang?

Quick question: with regard to Disturbance in Her Barroom, I am wondering if gibang is the same as gyobang? PC78 (talk) 02:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks! PC78 (talk) 02:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

ANI#User:Bukubku's harassment

• Some ANI Report ANI#User:Bukubku's harassment and others.--Caspian blue 17:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• User_talk:Rlevse#Unfair
• User_talk:Rlevse#User:Bukubku
• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan#Anti-Japanese_bashing
• Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive489#Bukubku's harassment and forum shopping again

Barnstar

Many thanks, the barnstar is much appreciated! :) PC78 (talk) 18:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks for your input at my successful Rfa. I'm already thinking about working on my content creation. Hopefully in a few months, I'll have passed the point where you would've !voted Support. If you have any more equally well-thought-out suggestions on how I can improve myself as an editor, I'd be happy to hear them. I wanted to ask you what you normally look for when you are evaluating an Rfa candidate's prior Afd contributions. I can see why you would look askance at the Arthur M. Dula nom (I wouldn't do one like that again), but I'm curious as to why you think my nom of Unspeakable Vault (of Doom) was so improper. Thanks again for your input!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 20:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Irworobongdo

Thanks for you kind invitation to join your group - I am afraid I won't be much use though - and I only occasionally look in and don't know many Korean things. I do think this has a nice potential for a good article. The picture and little and the extra additions you made make the article look much better. Many thanks (Msrasnw (talk) 23:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC))

I think there is quite a lot more in Ms Chapman's article we could use - and there could be quite a lot of nice links coming out of it I think. The picture is very nice but I think a better one showing the whole of the image might be nice. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 23:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC))

Hi - I think the little entry is looking much nicer and I like the addition of some divisions. Do you think some headings like i) description of the image ii) symbolic singificance iii) History - might be better? Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC))

Dear Caspian Blue - I have added more refs inline as per your suggestion. It looks a bit "over-referenced" to me now but I guess that is want is wanted. Overall it looks a nice article - not as nice as my Youn Shim-deok one though. I can't find anymore information to add. PS: I know they don't belong to me - but it is nice to start article isn't it. PPS: my next Korean one might be to do with a "minor" building. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 20:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC))

Dear Caspian Blue, thank you very much - I just saw this article on the frontpage! It made me smile . I don't know why. Well done and best wishes :) (Msrasnw (talk) 14:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC))

Yonsei

I tagged Yonsei with {{db-movedab}}, following the instruction given in Misplaced Pages:Malplaced disambiguation pages (WP:MDL), so an admin may move Yonsei (disambiguation) to Yonsei. The speedy request includes a message "The page to be moved to this name is Yonsei (disambiguation)." followed by a link through which an admin can perform the desired page move. It is in the form of deletion template because a page have to be deleted in the process. Hope this clarifies my action. --Kusunose 15:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission of Irworobongdo

Hello! Your submission of Irworobongdo at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Politizer /_contribs 02:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for those links. Could you add them as much as possible to the article before I verify the hook? The second link (Sun, moon, and five peaks) is still not used in the article at all, and the first (The national palace museum of Korea) only once. There are still several paragraphs in the article with no inline citations at all, so you can go through them and cite one or both of those sources for every single fact presented.

Also, could you add a section (before Features and interpretationn explaining what the Irworobongdo is actually used for? I presume it's used in theater or as just a piece of decoration or something, but the article isn't clear about that. —Politizer /_contribs 15:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I'm on my way out the door now so I won't be able to look more closely until later in the evening, but from my first glance, I still don't see a paragraph or so describing what the Irworobongdo was used for? —Politizer /_contribs 00:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not meaning to be overly critical to keep your article from making DYK; I only try to make sure that articles are high-quality when they reach the main page—specifically, I try to make sure that the article that reaches the main page won't leave the reader feeling as if something were missing. You can call it "perfectionist" if you like, but notice I haven't been rejecting hooks because they're not perfect; I've just been trying to hurry to improve them while there's still time. —Politizer /_contribs 15:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

We don't often agree, but thanks for the help with the Palmer problem. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you had the unfortunate experience wit the SPA who does not want anything beyond his boundary. I think s/he would eventually get some reward for his behavior. Take care.--Caspian blue 04:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa

Caspian blue, thank you very much for participating in my Rfa, which was successful with 80 Support, 5 Oppose, 6 Neutral. The comments were overwhelming, and hopefully I can live up to the expectation of the community. I would also like to thank my nominator Realist and my co-nom Orane (talk), and special mention to Acalamari and Lenticel for the kindness from the start. Regards, Efe

--Efe (talk) 04:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Korean Cusine & Shennen

Don't let him goad you into an edit war. He is wrong and will receive appropriate punishment as a result because consensus is against him. If he violates 3r again, please let me revert it and ask Chris to file a complaint on the proper Administrator board; because he is involved in this he cannot act in an Administrative manner due to conflict of interest.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 19:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Jeremy, long time no see. Well, something already seems to happen....--Caspian blue 02:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Indeed Caspian, the wheels of wikipedia are turning on a 24 hour basis. Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

A new idea

Hey Caspian, would you like to join me on improving this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/English_breakfast ?

There are no controversies regarding it, and it seems to be in need of a little improvement at the moment.

It would be nice to work with you on something not related to Japan, Korea, WW2 or anything else that is likely to cause problems.

Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Woo Jang-choon

Hi Caspian, sorry for the slow response; I'm afraid I'm not able to help with this now. I can manage a little bit of copy-editing, but that's about it these days. I hope you can find someone else to check the sources. --Amble (talk) 07:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I just asked you a favor, so sorry for the trouble.--Caspian blue 15:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Irworobongdo

On 23 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Irworobongdo, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai (talk) 18:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. Mizu onna sango15

		The Mizu onna sango15 Barnstar
		Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. —Mizu onna sango15

Expansion

Hi amigo. Just to let you know Template:Expand Korean has been created. Please add it at the top of articles which have any decent content on Korean wikipedia which needs transwikiying. It is part of a new drive to get missing articles on others wikipedias into english. Thanks Count Blofeld 21:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Your oppose at my RfA

Thanks for your candor. I agree, as I have said elsewhere, that the Frank Kaufmann AfD was the worst I've ever behaved on Misplaced Pages. That behavior didn't come out of nowhere, however, but only after a the issues with Andrew Wilson (academic) and Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Andrew_Wilson_(theologian). Others have had negative interactions with Hrafn, including an ANI thread which did not involve me at all. My objective at the Kaufmann RfA was to bring out Hrafn's contentious and less than civil nature, without myself violating any guidelines or policies. I essentially set out to "draw a foul" from him that would undermine his credibility; for good or ill, I accomplished that goal in that AfD. When User:S. Dean Jameson told me I was over the line, I left the AfD, and didn't interact with Hrafn thereafter. This incident happened three and a half months and 5,000+ edits ago, and I'd point to my interactions with User:Tautologist as an example that I've improved in my knowledge of how to handle contentious editors since as a result of those interactions with Hrafn. Jclemens (talk) 22:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Guangzhou dialect

Did you want to vote in the poll at the bottom of the page on moving back to Standard Cantonese? kwami (talk) 00:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I think the "Standard Cantonese" is a neologism, but the problem is that there is no suitable naming for the page yet.--Caspian blue 00:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

		The RfA Barnstar
		Caspian blue, I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with 112 supports, 4 opposes and 5 neutrals. A special mention goes out to Stwalkerster and Pedro for nominating me, thanks a lot for having trust in me! In response to the neutrals, I will try to double check articles that have been tagged for speedy deletion before I CSD them and will start off slowly with the drama boards of ANI and AN to ensure that I get used to them. In response to the oppose !votes on my RfA, I will check that any images I use meet the non-free content criteria and will attempt to handle any disputes or queries as well as I can. If you need my help at all, feel free to simply ask at my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Once again, thank you for your participation, and have a great day! :) The Helpful One 22:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

design by neurolysis | to add this barnstar to your awards page, simply copy and paste {{subst:User:Neurolysis/THOBS}} and remove this bottom text | if you don't like thankspam, please accept my sincere apologies

UAA report

Thank you for making a report at Misplaced Pages:Usernames for administrator attention. However, your report has been removed due to the username not violating policy, or not being blatant enough for a block. Please remember you should only post infringements on this page if they are so serious that the user needs to be blocked immediately. Others should be discussed with the user in question first, for example using the {{Uw-username}} template. A request for comment can be filed if the user disagrees that their name is against the username policy, or has continued to edit after you have expressed your concern. Thank you. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Jclemens RfA

		JClemens' RfA Thanks
		Thank you for participating in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 77 supporting and 2 opposing. Regardless of your position, I thank you for the time you took to examine my record and formulate your response. Jclemens (talk) 02:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Metaguide

What's this about? Who are you supposed to be biased against? Yours just looks like a list of all the other guides to me. I think it's extremely useful.

Incidentally, I read JayHenry's guide differently than your guide. I think his "unsure" and "unknown" headings are undecided or neutral rather than oppose, but you could ask him to be certain. Cool Hand Luke 19:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

The candidates in the first half of the table only seem to get negative comments under "what people say", those further down seem to get both negative and positive comments. Not sure why that is. I don't know if this is what that other guide means but that does seem to come across particularly harshly on Carcharoth - most of the guides that give an opinion seem to be support, but the summary of comments sounds like a litany of damnation. 217.28.13.175 (talk) 20:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but the section is being implemented after Lar helped me to increase more space in the table. I have no interaction with Carcharoth and even had never heard of the name until pretty recently. He surely has many supportive comments. Due to once limited space, I only summarized negative comments first. Of course, all candidates have good values (that's why they are the candidates)--Caspian blue 20:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean to sound hyper-critical, I was just speculating on what that other 'guide guide' might have meant. I think your table is an interesting approach and must have been a fair amount of work. I have pointed out a couple of seeming inaccuracies on your guide's talk pager too though, probably arising from Lar changing his mind. 217.28.13.175 (talk) 21:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Question

If I remember correctly, you have asked me for help on several occasions when you were attacked by sock puppets. How is the situation now? Jehochman 07:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the caring, but I have to be off from Misplaced Pages now.--Caspian blue 07:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Greetings from WikiProject Korea!

Hello Caspian blue, thank you for the message and it's done: I am just reading that book - let's see more in the future. See you,----Erkan Yilmaz 19:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom vote

Hi there! I noticed you opposed me, and I was wondering what concerns you had about my candidacy and if I might be able to clarify anything? Thanks! --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 01:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Weak in what way? Are there any you would like me to elaborate on or explain further? --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 01:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand, thanks anyways! :) --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 02:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Yonsei Severance Hospital.

Hi. Hate to drag this on but this question have drowned in the debate of whether or not Yonsei Severance Hospital should be a redirect. Is Yonsei Hospital ever referred to by just Yonsei?

See Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation#Lists and Misplaced Pages:MOSDAB#Examples_of_individual_entries_that_should_not_be_created for why this is an issue. Taemyr (talk) 04:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Later, I want to take a break from the person whom I consider the worst person even over many harassing sockpuppeters I've encountered in Misplaced Pages. --Caspian blue 04:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Voting

Hiya, regarding your queries on the ArbCom voting pages, it's probably better if you post your queries (and any replies) on the talkpage of the vote. It's not like RfAs where people engage in major discussions right on the voting page itself. If you move your comment though, I'll be happy to reply to it there, or we can talk about it here on your talkpage (or mine), whichever you prefer.  :) --Elonka 05:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the visit and note on a difference between RFA and ArbCom election, but I won't remove my comment there because I think I raise legitimate points. As you see, I don't cast my vote for his candidacy yet, but I found ironies from Durova and your statements which I believe, strongly affect to voters' mind. Honestly, the allegation on a series of harassment is totally uncalled (if so, he would been desysopped already with RFAC cases). I just want to know about IRC admin-shoppoing allegation. Several diffs would suffice. Sorry for brushing up the recall, but as you know I also did not even put my name there. I'm ambivalent about the friction between you and him and his election campain. I don't care any place for the answer. --Caspian blue 06:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I already answered this a bit on my talkpage. See if that helps answer your questions? If not, you can ask there for more info. --Elonka 06:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

No, "the only thing" about which I want to know from your statement is the IRC allegation. You may have forgotten that I collected every comments from the editors who have their own guides. I of course, read through the Sarah's blame, and COI issues (which I already spotted on ANI at that time), but well I disagree with your assessment on the "two issues". I can't find the IRC thing yet from the user guide (including Jechochman's rebuttal at its talk page) and your page.--Caspian blue 06:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Further information is available at User talk:Elonka/ACE2008. --Elonka 16:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

No, you still fail to answer my question and there is no such evidence on the IRC thing.--Caspian blue 17:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

What kind of evidence are you looking for? I am not aware of any mechanism to provide diffs for comments made in IRC. --Elonka 18:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not asking you to provide "IRC logs" for your allegation, but there should be at least one pertinent diff either from any noticeboard or from user page.--Caspian blue 18:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

What kind of diff are you looking for? --Elonka 19:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

-_-;; Diff(s) can prove your allegation on his IRC forum shopping; a third party's claim or witness on Jehochman's conduct via IRC.--Caspian blue 19:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, per Jehochman's request I've asked for a neutral clerk to move our threaded discussion to talk. Would be glad to continue dialog with you there. In a nutshell, by the time I weighed in on that recall drive Elonka's standard for recall had already been exceeded. I had stood by my recall pledge and resigned. Having a meaningful recall system is more important IMO than whether either she or I kept the tools. Best regards, Durova 16:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Fine, it is the candidate's request.--Caspian blue 17:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

vote discussion

 Done--Tznkai (talk) 20:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

RE:Wrong warning and huggle

Are you referring to the edit I made to Koreans? I don't quite understand. ?:-/ Lazylaces (Talk to me 02:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember admitting to anything. Lazylaces (Talk to me 02:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comment

Badagnani and (Tanner-Christopher) are holding the Korean cuisine article hostage and claiming that dog meat is a staple of Korean food along with rice, kimchi, pork, chicken, etc..

I am proposing 1)removal of this section for the reason that it is factually inaccurate(dog meat is not in the same category as beef, chicken and other staple korean foods) and that we work on 2)an objective presentation of facts about dog meat.

I have added dispute tags in the section to indicate that POV and accuracy of the section is in dispute and Badagnani and (Tanner-Christopher) are claiming that not even a dispute exists and have reverted my tags.

I am planning take this into dispute resolution steps so please participate and comment on this dispute so that we can have diversity of opinions and views represented. Thanks.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 03:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Unhelpful comments by visitors redacted Thanks, I will look into it.--Caspian blue 00:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Sennen goroshi

ive filed a report on ANI for his wikistalking and barging into things totally unrelated to him to settle old scores. ive had problems with some of kuebie's edits but this is totally unnaceptable of Sennen goroshi. Julius Ceasarus From Primus (talk) 16:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the thoughtful notice.--Caspian blue 00:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there

I got your message, sorry it has been a busy day. I will see what I can do about it when i get home latter. I hope you are well.--Chef Tanner (talk) 00:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Your expertise on cuisine would be great help. --Caspian blue 00:43, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Reference Help

I am working on expanding Unjusa but have run into trouble adding the main reference that I used. The source is a sign, posted on the grounds at the temple site and the reference is a photo I took of the sign posted at Image:Korea-Unjusa 4450-07 temple sign.JPG. I attempted to learn by using the references from the Naksansa article you added as examples. All my attempts to create my reference failed. Would you please see if you could help me out sometime? I have more to add to Unjusa but want to figure out how to use the Category:Signs_at_Unjusa photos (can't seem to make that link work here either) as references before continuing. Thanks again.Steve46814 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The images of the signs potentially being copyrighted derivative 2d works provides me with an dilemma. Not finding a lot of Unjusa information in English available. Don't know if I should abandon this project or not (proceed). Did find this bit at the Creative Commons pages describing Transformativeness as it applies to "fair use". Looking at the verbiage "the transformative characteristic of the later work is that it provides the public with a benefit not previously available to it, which would otherwise remain unavailable" it would seem that using these photos as a reference should be acceptable here. Since this is a public project, wouldn't this apply? What do you think? Would appreciate your feedback and assistance. Thank You.Steve46814 (talk) 03:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I sincerely appreciate your support and encouragement. Your help with my endeavor to develop the Unjusa article should certainly make it a viable project. Again, I am indebted to you. Thank You.Steve46814 (talk) 20:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation of the "ref name="source name"/ " tag (you did not sign it but I'm sure it could only be you). I have successfully incorporated the change into the article and have made note of the procedure for future reference. Thanks again for your gracious help.Steve46814 (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Documentingabuse (talk · contribs)

Did you file the new report? I was looking to post it to the Outstading requests section. All I found was an archived version. JodyB _talk 23:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Policy consensus

The policy states that a good reason should be given to include a gallery in a main space article. No good reason was given for any of them. Misplaced Pages is not a travel guide and these pictures don't serve any real purpose in articles which are otherwise almost all devoid of content.--Crossmr (talk) 14:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Incident Board

I got to the incident board a bit late and can't seem to find the entry anymore either on the page itself or in the archives. Please let me know if the incident is still being discussed so I can participate. Thanks.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 19:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

It is already gone. You can check my contribution history or this diff. And when you think you revert "vandalism", please carefully take a look at the article history.--Caspian blue 19:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment

G'day, There was no offence intended with my comment, I have reworded it and struck out the original Noodle snacks (talk) 01:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

All right.--Caspian blue 02:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

removal of comments

It is of course your right to remove comments as and when you see fit, however if by some chance we happen to find ourselves having problems with a content dispute in the future and it makes its way to an ANI report, I will of course have to mention the fact that when I try to discuss issues with you, that you just remove my comments. Its OK, it is your choice, but it may reflect badly on you in the future.

I am not under any illusion that we will see eye to eye over certain issues, but I would like this to remain civil and constructive. Perhaps not erasing my comments would be a step in the right direction?

Sennen goroshi (talk) 17:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no more threat, harassment and personal attacks. You left the false accusation at your edit summary again after you repeatedly erased the name of Miura Goro with the absurd allegation; the properly cited info has a biased source? With what ground? Whenever you find some content that you dislike, you always call so. You called "Boston News" regarding the once textbook of U.S biased, BBC News regarding Naking Massacre is biased and many others. Well, your insistence for the removal sounds very less credible. Enough is enough. You seem to resume your usual behaviors again.

This is my talk page, and I did not complain about your repeated deletions of my comments on your talk page. Though, those were only suggestions for you to participate in ongoing discussions whose articles you have sudden interest. So if you can edit articles constructively, well, Misplaced Pages is not a right place for you. There are many wonderful things with which you can enjoy yourself.--Caspian blue 17:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, let me try one more time. Even though we disagree on content, can we both try to remain civil please? I don't expect you to agree with my edits and I certain don't agree with many of yours, but shall we both try to stick to the edits rather than petty little comments. I would do a lot to help me to assume good faith if you replied with a simple yes or no, rather than replying with an accusation. We have to start somewhere, here and now is as good a place as any. Lets try to get on a little better. thanks Sennen goroshi (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe I'm being as civil as possible I can. Please re-read your first message from which I found upsetting. Unwarranted lecturing is not a way to show your "civility". So please be civil to me and editors. If you have to oppose my edit, take it to a relevant article talk page.--Caspian blue 17:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

If you are being as civil as possible, then thank you very much for making the effort. I apologise if you thought I was lecturing you - perhaps due to cultural differences and the language barrier we both misunderstand eachother at times. Sennen goroshi (talk) 18:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Galleries

Hey CB, just noticed your question about removal of galleries to Crossmr (talk · contribs). A lot of Korea-related artices have such galleries, and without good reason to keep them, consensus is that such galleries should be removed, and ideally relocated to commons with a link from the original article (note that this is not the responsibiity of the editor removing the gallery). WP is not a photo-hosting site, and a good rule of thumb is that an article should have as many pictures as can reasonably be spread through the length of the article. We don't need 17 night views of Seoul, 8 pictures of random junk being sold at Namdaemun, or 7 generic pictures of the inside of a subway station within any one article. There may be rare cases where a topic requires a greater number of pictures to illustrate it than the length of the written text may suggest, but this would not generally apply to modern places, living people or other topics which are already well covered on the internet. On most topics about which people often take and wish to present digital photographs, in addition to Commons there is usually a far better photo gallery elsewhere on the web which can be linked externally. If there are any specific articles on which you feel the removal of a gallery has negatively affected the encyclopedic coverage of that topic, please voice that concern with regard to the specific article in question - this way your concern can more easily be considered. Hope that helps. Deiz talk 10:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

First of all, do not call me CB. You have a very specific notice regarding calling your ID. Unless I'd say I'm okay with the calling, do not arbitrarily abbreviate my name even though that is not my real name. That is a common etiquette. We already confirmed our disagreement on usages of gallery before and I still disagree with your stance. Besides, if you want to make a plausible statement, do not offend your opponent like this false labeling: "pictures of random junk being sold at Namdaemun". Excuse me? You must be confused the character of Namdaemun market with Camden Market where real junkies and junks can be easily found.

You're just agreeing with Crossmr who has been carrying out a deleting campaign of galleries as you've always wanted to do so. "What consensus" is you referring to? There is no ongoing discussion on the matter, and I wonder why you and Crossmir would not be willing to open a discussion to nail your POV. The guideline clearly states that there is no mention of "gallery should be deleted". I have a longer experience at Commons than at English Misplaced Pages and created a lot of "gallery" pages there. However, the character between the two places are totally different. Most of Korean related topic have little contents, so I believe galleries would serve helpful information to readers until enough contents are added by editors. You've been conflicting with many editors who're interested in unloading images of Korean related subject; They're pushed to leave here by you. You expect people to do what you want to do without any patience and effort. The creator of Unjusa, Naksansa, and other very good articles began his wiki activities as uploading a lot of images and galleries to Korean related subjects. Good editors are not created at first. The consensus at the current guideline tells me that "usage of gallery" is not prohibited. If you don't like galleries at English Misplaced Pages, at least try to change the guideline first.--Caspian blue 16:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

If you'd like to argue what the policy says it clearly states: good reasons must be given for creating them no good reason was given on a single article for including them. Policy (this is policy not a guideline) is considered to have majority consensus on wikipedia and no further discussion is required to edit within the confines of policy. A case would have to be made for each article as to why a gallery is necessary, and frankly only in the case of a discussion on a building or location with very special and notable architectural elements would I consider a gallery remotely appropriate. A lack of information in an article is not a good reason to allow a gallery. If you want to ensure the photos are available feel free to make sure they are all on commons and link them. There is a template available.--Crossmr (talk) 21:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The policy does not state that usages of gallery are prohibited nor inappropriate as you allege. Do not misquote the policy nor push your POV to me. Besides, you unilaterally deleted a gallery on Patbingsu, in which several editors had extensively discussed over the gallery for a long time, and you did not even check it, but just deleted the built (without you) consensus. That is disruptive. Also you ignored my suggestion to open a discussion on the matter for your deletion campaign of galleries. You're the one who does not regard "discussion" and "consensus". I open a discussion on this to Wikipedia_talk:Image_use_policy#Removal_of_galleries, so please join in there. --Caspian blue 22:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The policy states that a good reason must be given for inclusion. you have failed to give a good reason for inclusion. Its very clear. Please do not violate policy again by edit warring over it.--Crossmr (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I have not violate any policy for galleries. I stated my reasoning very clearly, and you did not. You're the one who has failed to give a good reason for your unilateral deletion campaign. Also do not say such absurd comments and enforce things that none has given to you. Misquoting the image policy and pushing your POV seriously violate Misplaced Pages policies by yourself. Please do not do that.--Caspian blue 22:22, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't misquoted anything. Your attempts to cherry pick statements out of the image policy do not benefit your position. Yes the policy states that not every gallery is removed, but it also states if you want to keep it, you should make a case. Its very easy to read that to understand that the only galleries that are kept are the ones for which there is a compelling case made. You want to keep the gallery make a case. That case has to be accepted by consensus. Simply stating something and reverting doesn't make your case.--Crossmr (talk) 01:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

This is a disappointing little series of comments here, Caspian Blue. I had previously thought you were an editor with a decent grasp of policy who "got it". Seems I may have been mistaken. Your understanding of galleries and the rules governing their use on Misplaced Pages is flawed, to say the least. If you are frustrated by other events on Misplaced Pages, for example edit warring that you and others have been involved in on Korea-Japan related topics, consider taking a break from editing in contentious areas. If you admire my guidelines about how I would rather be referred to by other editors, by all means create one for yourself. You should also read my recent comment to Crossmr which explains why various Korea-related articles have little text and excessive galleries, and how this problem could be addressed by English speaking Korean editors who spend too much time edit- and POV-warring on Korea-Japan issues and not enough adding reliably sourced content to the encyclopedia. Deiz talk 00:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope, your comments here and the conversations between Crossmir have given me only grave concerns. I recall you and Crossmir almost forced Macropolis, a prolific image uploader of Korean pictures to leave the Misplaced Pages project. I do not need to agree with the false practice of image policy by you. You have failed to provide any plausible rationale for why galleres should be removed from articles. I believe I'm pretty strict to image policies per my long experiences. Besides, this guideline dispute has nothing to do with J-K articles that you do not even consider to "help". If you want to take a break, take a break. If I want to take a break, I would do when I need it. Given your insulting comment like pictures of junks being sold at Namdaemun, you may consider to stop editing Korean-related articles. The last sentence also sounds very amusing. You can add information if you want to develop articles instead of image collections. Editing Misplaced Pages is a purely volunteer job. I've created over 500 articles, but when I feel something intriguing, I would edit first such articles. That is my business not yours.--Caspian blue 00:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Marcopolis ran in to a problem because 1) he refused to communicate and was incapable of communicating in English apparently 2) he continually tried to convert articles to non-standard formatting, 3) he continued to push an image through his account and IP into an article that really messed up the formatting.--Crossmr (talk) 01:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I've encountered many enthusiastic newbies whose contributions are mostly at first in uploading images. I have helped them to understand image policies and encouraged them to upload their images to Commons although my English is very poor. Instead, I've not seen you do some effort to him, but you reported him to block him for his little communication with people regarding his image matters. --Caspian blue 01:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I reported him to block because of his failure to communicate period. I put several messages on his talk page, used edit summaries, etc He ONLY attempted to communicate once he was told he would be blocked if he didn't. He misrepresented himself on his user page as he claimed to speak english, but throughout the entire ordeal he didn't once speak english and only responded when someone spoke to him in french of korean. I noticed you made a big fuss above about your name being abbreviated, since you care so much about making sure people reference the correct username, perhaps you'd like to take another look at mine before you type it again.--Crossmr (talk) 01:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd seen all so-called YOUR EFFORTS to him at that time. That was very much the same as the current situation. Your tone was threatening, and he was scared enough to leave Misplaced Pages. So you do not need to remind me of the matter. Besides, the etiquette regarding my screen name is between Deiz and me, not you. However, I would more take a great care when I type your name, Crossmr.--Caspian blue 01:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Unjusa

On 15 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Unjusa, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 22:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Notification

.--Crossmr (talk) 04:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Featured images

Hey Caspian. File:Kvívík, Faroe Islands (3).JPG probably still not good enough? Others for consideration are File:Beinisvord, westcoast of suduroy, faroe islands.JPG and File:Sorvagur, faroe islands, view on mykines.jpg The Bald One 15:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

South Korea

Hello Caspian, I was hoping that I could recruit your help on the South Korea article. Anything you could do to help improve the page, or any advice you could give me would be greatly appreciated. You can get more info on my talkpage. RlndGunslinger (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for mediation on Korean cuisine

Please follow this link Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Korean cuisine to participate in mediation on the issues with the Korean cuisine article.--Chef Tanner (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it beating a dead horse again? I thought we already past over the matter.--Caspian blue 17:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but Melonbarmaster2 won't stop in his reversion of the tags or changing content based on his POV, and as I can't do anything as I am involved in the issue, we need to be proper and get a proper mediation, so please take a moment and either agree or disagree to the mediation.--Chef Tanner (talk) 20:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Possible Lucy sock

Please check this out. Misleading edit comment, words to avoid and contentions fact changes. I leave it to your discretion. http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Soulslearn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.41.50 (talk) 17:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know whether you may not or forget to log in, but the article is beyond my interest, so if you think the newbie is a sock of the banner user, why don't you request for checkusers by yourself? I do not want to be vandalised by him again. --Caspian blue 17:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

so...

so what you are trying to say is that some people who disregard the guidelines are correct because they are not the first to disregard the guidelines?

you revert me for sticking to the rules and then say it is ok, but someone else does the same?

I never agreed with your edits, but I did have respect for you due to you sticking to the rules - that respect is starting to fade, I see no difference you choosing to ignore this rule and a sockpuppet user choosing to ignore the no sockpuppets rule. At least have the honour to stand by the rules that you so often use to your advantage. Sennen goroshi (talk) 20:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

As I've said, the comment by an anon is not a breach of the guideline at all because it is not personal attack nor vandalism, nor derailing of the ongoing discussion regarding dog meat. However, according to the guideline, your removal without permission breaches so. Please leave me alone today!!!--Caspian blue 20:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

You are correct, it was not a personal attack nor was it vandalism, but as a comment that was not designed to contribute to the article in any manner it is against talk page guidelines and as such suitable for removal by any editor. You chose to revert because of the fact that it was me who removed it - that much is clear. The guidelines are totally clear. I just wonder if you will accept the rules of wikipedia and self-revert, or if you will ignore these rules because your personal dislike for me is more important than the rules of wikipedia. I am really curious which is more important to you. Sennen goroshi (talk) 20:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Please WP:AGF? If Badagnani Melonbarmonster, or Jeremy deleted it, I would revert their edit because I believe the guideline regarding talk pages does not allow to do so. Do not attack me any more with such annoying allegation. Why do I have to continue this conversation with you in this holiday season? Leave me alone.--Caspian blue 20:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I am continuing because you have chosen to blatantly ignore wikipedia guidelines - simple isn't it? How can you believe the guideline does not allow me to remove the offending text? you read the guidelines - are you choosing to feign ignorance? I find it amusing that an editor such as yourself, who constantly quotes guidelines and makes almost daily posts on ANI boards, now suddenly decides that this one guidelines does not apply to them. Sennen goroshi (talk) 20:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

As I recall, you're the one blatantly ignoring wikipedia guidelines. Kindly request again, leave me alone here Besides, I do not understand why you keep coming to me for complaining about reverts by Badagnani second times (I only reverted yours one time).--Caspian blue 20:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I am here because I don't consider Badagnani to follow/respect the rules of wikipedia - I don't like you or your edits, but until today I did consider you to be someone who follows the rules. Sennen goroshi (talk) 20:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

stop deleting my edits

all of these men are considered famous zainichi koreans, please provide me with counter evidence for each person if you are going to delete all of them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.217.103 (talk) 08:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

   * Lee Myung-bak briefly lived in Japan during the colonial period, and never came to Japan. What definition constitutes him being a Zainichi?
   * Shoukei Arai, nationalized Japanese
   * Joji Obara, nationalized Japanese
   * Momota Mitsuhiro, no citizenship
   * Tsuyoshi Ihara, nationalized Japanese

All of these people had Korean nationality at some point of their residency in Japan. As a result, they would be considered zainichi Koreans even if they had naturalized later. Please provide me with evidence that Rikidozan did not have any nationality.--76.172.217.103 (talk) 08:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

You are the one who is POV pushing. You delete my edits without providing counter evidence even though the wikipedia pages for all of these men clearly show that each of them had Korean nationality at one point of their residence in Japan. All of these people were born with Korean nationality (with the exception of Lee Myung bak, who in contrast gained his Korean nationality after the Japanese surrender).

Also, there is not real time length in regards to how long one has to live in Japan in order to be considered a zainichi Korean. Korean students studying abroad in Japan are considered zainichi Koreans.--76.172.217.103 (talk) 09:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)