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== Following up ==

Hi Nishkid. You turned down my request at ] on the basis of drop dead WP:DUCK obviousness (which I'm fine with). Now I've got another IP editor who's making the same revert to the same article, in the same way, and with the same lack of discussion. I still haven't had any (logged-in) response from {{checkuser|Shustov}} to pointed requests to discuss the issue.

While I still suspect that WP:DUCK holds, the new IP is from a different ISP. The first revert (), yesterday, was from {{checkip|76.87.107.54}}, which whois says is a Road Runner IP. The second IP revert () comes from {{checkip|69.227.189.80}}, which is nominally owned by AT&T Internet Services.

Could I ask you to consider applying some of the CheckUser-brand Magic Wiki Pixie Dust™ to the situation now? I don't know if this is just a user-at-home versus user-at-work issue, or if I'm dealing with multiple anons and need to call in the cavalry.

Many thanks, and happy new year! ](]) 19:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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Dwight Lauderdale

Nishkid, I appreciate you wanting to keep the peace on that article, however, there is no OR in that article. Every claim is supported by a verifiable source (none of them are me, or were written by me). The "High school kid" source is from a website (http://my.hsj.org/) which is not part of the high school system, in fact, it's a website maintianed and copywrited by the American Society of Newspaper editors, and therefore, it's notable. I realize the title and the website name make it look otherwise, but it's notable and therefore not OR. THanks — Kosh 21:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


Nishkid, I saw your response. First, would I use, as a source, an article written by a teenager ?

I can't give a blanket yes or no answer to that. That she was a teenager at the time doesn't make this an invalid source. As a matter of fact, as I've (long time ago, of course) worked on a high school newspaper (not at that school :) )I have to tell you, for that piece to have been published , because it claims to be an interview with Dwight Lauderdale ( a well-known news anchor in Broward and Dade county) she would have had to have been able to prove it to her editor, then to the paper's sponsor for it to have even been published. ON top of that, it's now a part of a collection hosted by an orginaztion of editors (who by their own nature check for facts) :) ), I'd say it's definetly verifiable. Add to that that I'm merely quoting this and not analyzing nor synthesising, just repeating them, it's not ruled out either by WP:R, WP:PRimary, etc.... which by the way, rule out using interviews as a means of analyzing an event not quoting or otherwise reporting what was said or what was claimed by the interviewer or interviewee.
By the way, her interview was far better than any of the other interviews I had about him! (I know that doesn't matter, and it's my own opinion!  :) ) — Kosh 22:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Nishkid, nope, it's not analysis. That's a direct quote from the article. (Yes, the same one you mentioned earlier). Look, I know you mean well, but PLEASE check the sources first before you say that again. The only questionable item that I placed in there when I wrote the article was the trivia section .... which got removed. There is NO OR, SYNTH, ....etc.... in that article. If a claim has been made, it's supported by the source or sources shown at the end of the sentance. (By the way, I can include that exact phrase from this article when it appears! :) )

— Kosh 22:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


Nishkid, I got your message. First, the link in it goes to WP:SOAP, which doesn't seem to support your position. I took a moment to look at NOR, Reliable, OR, V, none of those seem to support your claim either. I"m not going to clutter your page by posting policy, but specifically, WP:NOR states:

"Using sources
Information in an article must be verifiable in the references cited"
The information in question meets this criteria. WP:OR states:
"This means that Misplaced Pages is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented."

Indeed, what I'm presenting is not my opinion, nor is it clear that it's the reporter's opinion either.

With regard to the report being a teen-ager and this interview being published in a high school newpaper, WP:RS states:
"Further information: Misplaced Pages:Verifiability#Reliable sources

Many Misplaced Pages articles rely on scholarly material. Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources when available. ".
The material in question meets Misplaced Pages's guidelines in that:
1.) It's not my opinion or research
2.) It's from a reliable source.
3.) It's pertient to the story
4.) Is quoted word for word < br/> 5.) Is not synth, OR, Libel, Slander, Attack.
I know I can come across as a know-it-all, I freely admitt to still be learning the ropes here, however, I'm pretty familiar with what can and cannot be in an article. To be sure, there are no blogs, forums, unreferenced claims, analysis, personal opinions (for or against). Every claim made can be referenced to at least once source, the article as a a whole gives a good understanding of Dwight Lauderdale and is well-rounded (doesn't just focus on his job as a newscaster). I think it's a bit dry in it's present state from my first submission, but consensus was it was better in that form! Thanks — Kosh 00:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Niskid64,

I read your reply. It looks like you're stating that the quote in question is an interpretation or analysis and could fall under OR unless other sources can back that up. Do I understand you correctly ? — Kosh 12:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Wikiscribe

Hi. If you have time, I'd be very grateful if you could have a look at this. Many thanks. Novelaconto (talk) 22:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'l be keeping an eye on the article. Novelaconto (talk) 22:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Troy Davis case

Are you watching this page? This seems to be the new sockstop for DY71. Either way, nice job on the blocks, and thank you.— Dædαlus 00:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you should infinite-protect the article as well, due to DY71.— Dædαlus 08:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Another open proxy?

Hello Nishkid. Since you found the proxy evidence convincing for

in the Yaneleksklus CU case what do you think about:

I had submitted this address over at WP:OP but they couldn't make it proxify, so they rejected it. This is ClueBot's report. EdJohnston (talk) 03:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I was the one taking the last report at WP:OP. Even though a google scan may give some pointers to it being an open proxy does not mean it's an open proxy all the time. I think that this open proxy have moved on & is no longer an open proxy as a port scan isn't so interesting on this IP. However it's been blacklisted and it's listed on project honey pot. IMO it's a clear cut this was an open proxy, but isn't anymore. I just did a port scan again & port 80, 8080 are both filtered. It may be some private network as PPTP is enabled, but it's not an open proxy. I hope this helped a bit! Best regards, --Kanonkas (talk) 16:26, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Another request

Hey Nish mind e-mailing "The Three-Party System in Dahomey"? I'm sure I'm bothering you with all these requests. :) ~EDDY ~ 20:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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Happy New Year 2009!!!

Happy New Year Nishkid64!!!! I wish for you and your family to have a wonderful 2009!!! Have fun partying and may you make many edits!!!

-RavichandarMy coffee shop 16:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

User check

Hi Nishkid64! Happy new year! May this year bring to you immense joy and peace!

→BTW, can you please do a check whether this user and this user are related? Though not likely I have some reason to believe so! --KnowledgeHegemony 13:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year

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Following up

Hi Nishkid. You turned down my request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Shustov on the basis of drop dead WP:DUCK obviousness (which I'm fine with). Now I've got another IP editor who's making the same revert to the same article, in the same way, and with the same lack of discussion. I still haven't had any (logged-in) response from Shustov (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) to pointed requests to discuss the issue.

While I still suspect that WP:DUCK holds, the new IP is from a different ISP. The first revert (), yesterday, was from 76.87.107.54 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)), which whois says is a Road Runner IP. The second IP revert () comes from 69.227.189.80 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)), which is nominally owned by AT&T Internet Services.

Could I ask you to consider applying some of the CheckUser-brand Magic Wiki Pixie Dust™ to the situation now? I don't know if this is just a user-at-home versus user-at-work issue, or if I'm dealing with multiple anons and need to call in the cavalry.

Many thanks, and happy new year! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)