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This article at first blush appears to have reliable sources to establish notability but when you look at them they're either blogs, or trivial mentions, or from early 1990s BBS' that no longer exist. The general feel is of an elaborate joke being played. At any rate, this article was deleted once before ], and upheld at deletion review ]. The level of current sourcing seems no better than the past versions. I'm not prodding this because i'm fairly certain that would be contested Bali ultimate (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete. No significant coverage in reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 16:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete This article is clearly written by the subject itself. Manhattan Samurai is literary name frequently used by Alan Cabal. It is clearly in violation of Misplaced Pages policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stealthepiscopalian (talk • contribs) 16:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

  I have had an email from Manhattan Samurai (who is indefblocked) asking me to state that he is not Alan Cabal. He has also asked me to point out that "the article in Details magazine mentions Alan Cabal in great detail as does Christopher Knowles' 2007 book Our Gods Wear Spandex". I express no opinion on either statement. Stifle (talk) 16:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

  Christopher Knowles' book mentions him briefly once, "former Village Voice writer Alan Cabal". That's it. --Michig (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

  ...and apparently that isn't even correct (according to the article).--Michig (talk) 17:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Doesn't meet WP:BIO and probable WP:COI issues. Maybe speedy as recreation of deleted material? Verbal chat 16:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
• cmt i certainly have no opposition to speedy, as nom. It's just that my experience with attempts at speedy is that A. they're immediately contested; B. someone bites you for doing this or that "wrong;" 3. You then still have to start the AfD process. Just cut out the middle man.Bali ultimate (talk) 16:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I have had a similar email as Stifle's. I m prepared to say keep on the basis of his publications; possibly the article should emphasize those, rather than the less provable other material? Does anyone know the text of the article in Details? I point out that COI is not reason to delete, and arguments based primarily on that are not helpful. DGG (talk) 21:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
• Weak delete He wrote for the New York Press, CounterPunch, and Gallery; but nothing has been written about him in return. I feel those magazines just aren't scrutible enough to assert his notability as being a writer for them. On the other side of the story, I feel a comment is in order about the point of the nomination, since the most vocal defender of this article has recently been blocked. Themfromspace (talk) 21:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I must express my gratitude for the amusement that both the page and the arguments against it have provided me. "Stealthepiscopalian" is an idiot: I didn't write the article, and I have never used "Manhattan Samurai" as an alias. Anyone with the research skills of a competent high school student could verify that. The funniest material here is the assertion that "Cabal" is an improbable surname and the truly retarded assertion that I "won" an appearance on The Patty Duke Show in a radio contest. That material from the article is also verifiable by anyone with minimal research skills. This sort of puffery and buffoonery is why Misplaced Pages is generally considered an unreliable source by professional journalists. Thanks for the laughs! ---Alan Cabal (email redacted) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.29.146 (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

And yet you come here (assuming this is the non-notable Mr. Cabal) to cast insults and make a backhanded argument for keeping "your" article. Amusing indeed.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

This discussion lends itself to insults on an otherwise boring Saturday afternoon. It reminds me of high school. I don't make "backhanded arguments", I crap on the carpet, blow my nose in the curtains, and head for the nearest biker bar. ---AC

You know a good biker bar with wi-fi in manhattan? That's the sort of info that might encourage me to withdraw my nomination.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment: The Hells Angels Manhattan digs are here: 40.72516300, -73.98829600, there has to be a bar nearby... Proxy User (talk) 01:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete There is no cabal. Oh, wait. Lack of non-trivial coverage in reliable independent sources. COI and BLP issues suggest an agenda at work. Guy (Help!) 22:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

My name is Cuban, like my demented adoptive father. It has no relation to the English word, "cabal." Clive Barker might have been onto something, but as a murderous Communist born-again, you wouldn't know about that. I do like your vicious assaults on automobile drivers, though. ---AC

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
• Comment. I find very unlikely that the article was not written by its subject. Take for instance the last paragraph: "Bemoaning the loss of its iconoclastic edge, Cabal resigned from the New York Press on March 3, 2005, the day after the newspaper ran a controversial satire by Matt Taibbi titled "The 52 Funniest Things About the Upcoming Death of the Pope"". This bit of information is sourced from a comment made by Alan Cabal himself on an article in Fast Company. The article itself didn't mention Alan at all; Fast Company allows blog type replies to articles. That's where Alan posted his view, which is used as source in the wiki article. You'd have to be a berserk fan of Alan Cabal to know where to look for this or, far more likely, Alan himself. It all reads like an embittered out of work journalist is trying to pen his own epitaph. Xasodfuih (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
  • And your point is? Whether or not he wrote it himself, we have no policy against writing about yourself, despite the number of people who seem to think we do. Comment on content, not the contributor; is the subject of the article notable, is the information in the article verifiable, and is the article reliably sourced? – iridescent 22:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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