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Italian bridge name

That's what O'Connor says verbatim on the subject: "Meran lies further east, on the western approach of the Brenner Pass to Austria. A medieval bridge here retains the name, the Ponte Romano sul Passirio (Gazzola, 1963b, no. 281). Similarly at Franzenfeste (or Fortezza) the Ponte Ladricio is reputed to be Roman (Gazzola, 1963b, no. 128)." (Colin O'Connor, Roman Bridges, Cambridge Univ. Press (1994) ISBN 0-521-39326-4, p.95)
--> O'Connor does not state as a fact that the bridge is Roman. Throughout his book, he is closely following Gazzola's compilation of Roman bridges and often makes it clear that he does not endorse his views, nor refutes them, but simply presents them for an English-speaking audience. This means in my view, if there is a respectable source saying otherwise, it should be included in the article. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone needs to stop Noclador from adding his non-cited ramblings on here. He states that he knows this because he is from Merano. That may be the case, but without a citation it can not be included. It is original research, and I don't know why an article about a bridge needs to be so inflamatory. 192.45.72.26 (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

• I've brought this issue up with an Admin, this behavior has to stop. Noclador puts a bunch of political stuff on this page about a bridge, and then references a website that claims nothing he writes. Then he, for no reason, takes out O'Connor's citation because he thinks it isn't good enough. This is completely against Misplaced Pages policy and he is pushing Original Research. 192.45.72.26 (talk) 23:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
• Not to mention that never in history was there an "Austrian province of South Tyrol". BIZARRE! LOL 192.45.72.26 (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

official document by the city of Meran. signed by the mayor: answer 20:

"Nel punto in cui oggi si trova il ponte in questione vi era in origine un acquedotto in legno che attraversava il torrente Passirio. Quando questa struttura divenne pericolante, fu deciso nel 1615 di demolirla e di costruire al suo posto una passerella. Nel 1616 fu stipulato un contratto con l’architetto Andrä Tanner di Bressanone e fu dato il via ai lavori. Poco dopo una piena del Passirio distrusse la passerella appena completata, così Andrä Tanner dovette costruire un nuovo ponte. I lavori furono portati a termine nel 1617. Il nome “Steinerner Steg” è tramandato da quell’epoca e compare in questa forma in tutte le pubblicazioni ufficiali. In seguito all’italianizzazione degli anni ’20, per la precisione il 2 dicembre del 1927, fece la sua comparsa nello stradario del Comune di Merano la traduzione italiana “Ponte Romano”, che evidentemente si basa su una stima errata dell’età del ponte. Il suo gentile suggerimento di rivedere questa traduzione “errata” andrebbe quindi riformulato: è semmai il nome italiano del ponte che andrebbe cambiato, cosa che tuttavia per il momento non si prevede di fare. Per informazioni più dettagliate sulla costruzione del ponte può fare riferimento all’opera “Geschichte von Meran, der alten Hauptstadt des Landes Tirol” di Padre Cölestin Stampfer (Innsbruck 1889, pag. 118). Per concludere ricordo che è tra l’altro compito dell’Amministrazione comunale mantenere le denominazioni originali dei luoghi sulla base di documenti storici. Il Sindaco, Dr. Günther Januth"

a short translation: bride built in 1616/1617 by architect Andrä Tanner from Brixen; from this time on all official documents referred to bridge only as “Steinerner Steg”; during the Italianization in the 20ties to be exact on December 2nd, 1927 the name “Ponte Romano” appeared for the first time. (official document by the mayors office can be found here (answer nr. 20)

so much for the IPs claim of "non-cited ramblings" and by the way South Tyrol was a county of Austria for 556 years... EOD. --noclador (talk) 00:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

You have no idea what you are talking about. "South Tyrol" was never a county nor province, ever. TYROL was a County of Austria, and it was not for 556 years. Austria has not existed for 556 years, it has been a patchwork of different monarchies throughout the centuries. Furthermore, you were simply not providing proper citations. I don't know what makes the people in your province so aggressive. Is it so boring in Merano?? 192.45.72.26 (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

• and furthermore, you have no justification to remove that author's work, just because you don't agree with it. 192.45.72.26 (talk) 03:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem on issues like this is that the English names were not used, and the name has changed. There are centralized venues where you can take these things; I'll try to find the best one. Meantime, please remain civil, don't get into edit warring, and I am sure it can all be sorted out without any more problems. --John (talk) 04:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I can only hope that those who edit the page do not only have an interest in naming policy, but also in the structure itself. I have because I created the article and shot all the pics (took me two hours, damn). I have written more on bridges in Italy in Misplaced Pages than most Italians have. So give me a break. Article 116 of the Italian constitution recognizes since 2001 officially both the names Südtirol and Alto Adige. In my understanding this double validity of German and Italian names refers by deduction to all structures, towns, mountains etc. in South Tyrol. So what's the problem? I am also the only one who has read O'Connor here. So I am going to reintroduce the reference, but it needs to be put into context by what the council of Meran says. Hope this suffices and we can all move on. Grazie, danke, thanks. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 17:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I wholeheartidly agree with you Gun Powder Ma. I'm sorry John if I lost my cool with the user Noclador, but if you look at what he was doing with the edits, it was really childish. 192.45.72.26 (talk) 17:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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