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Jack, such comments and edit summaries as what you have are rather unhelpful if not mocking of another user. It is unseemly to allege someone has "" and to then go ahead and dismiss that editor when he makes what looks like a good faith and constructive suggestion. Look at how say Masem and Drilnoth replied, i.e. there are ways to acknowledge a good faith effort to contribute and say you don't think it's a good idea without resorting to a more mocking tone that only escalates disputes and that again is out of place if at the same time you are trying to criticize that particular editor for his own behavior. Sincerely, --]<sup>'']''</sup> 19:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC) | Jack, such comments and edit summaries as what you have are rather unhelpful if not mocking of another user. It is unseemly to allege someone has "" and to then go ahead and dismiss that editor when he makes what looks like a good faith and constructive suggestion. Look at how say Masem and Drilnoth replied, i.e. there are ways to acknowledge a good faith effort to contribute and say you don't think it's a good idea without resorting to a more mocking tone that only escalates disputes and that again is out of place if at the same time you are trying to criticize that particular editor for his own behavior. Sincerely, --]<sup>'']''</sup> 19:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
: Copy that. Contempt for one editor is only slightly better than contempt for the community. If you think Pixelface has bad ideas, then just say so as a matter of fact. And in general, if you can't remain ] with those you disagree with, then don't respond at all. The RFC/U with Pixelface is in progress, so let's not turn other discussions into a ] by making snippy remarks towards him. ] (]) 22:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC) | : Copy that. Contempt for one editor is only slightly better than contempt for the community. If you think Pixelface has bad ideas, then just say so as a matter of fact. And in general, if you can't remain ] with those you disagree with, then don't respond at all. The RFC/U with Pixelface is in progress, so let's not turn other discussions into a ] by making snippy remarks towards him. ] (]) 22:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:: ;) Tempest in a teapot. I didn't say that Pixelface is contemptible or that I view him so. If you don't show up for a court date, you get bagged for contempt of court. Pixelface has blown-off the RfC and should be called-up for it; see one of the noticeboards in February. Pixelface is highly disruptive and <span class="plainlinks"></span>. | |||
:: Pixelface certainly does have '''Bad Ideas<sup>®</sup>''' — that's a ''fact''. If I ever see good faith from him, I'll acknowledge it. He is largely ignorable and definitely risible. Cheers, ] 03:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Blood and Roses was a trading game, along the lines of Monopoly. The Blood side played with human atrocities for the counters, atrocities on a large scale: individual rapes and murders didn't count, there had to have been a large number of people wiped out. Massacres, genocides, that sort of thing. The Roses side played with human achievements. Artworks, scientific breakthroughs, stellar works of architecture, helpful inventions. Monuments to the soul's magnificence, they were called in the game. There were sidebar buttons, so that if you didn't know what Crime and Punishment was, or the Theory of Relativity, or the Trail of Tears, or Madame Bovary, or the Hundred Years' War, or The Flight into Egypt, you could double-click and get an illustrated rundown, in two choices: R for children, PON for Profanity, Obscenity, and Nudity. That was the thing about history, said Crake: it had lots of all three. The exchange rates — one Mona Lisa equalled Bergen-Belsen, one Armenian genocide equalled the Ninth Symphony plus three Great Pyramids — were suggested, but there was room for haggling. To do this you needed to know the numbers — the total number of corpses for the atrocities, the latest open-market price for the artworks; or, if the artworks had been stolen, the amount paid out by the insurance policy. It was a wicked game. The sack of Troy, says a voice in his ear. The destruction of Carthage. The Vikings. The Crusades. Ghenghis Kahn. Attila the Hun. The massacre of the Cathars. The witch burnings. The destruction of the Aztec. Ditto the Maya. Ditto the Inca. The Inquisition. Vlad the Impaler. The massacre of the Huguenots. Cromwell in Ireland. The French Revolution. The Napoleonic Wars. The Irish Famine. Slavery in the American South. King Léopold in the Congo. The Russian Revolution. Stalin. Hitler. Hiroshima. Mao. Pol Pot. Idi Amin. Sri Lanka. East Timor. Saddam Hussein. "Stop it," says Snowman. Sorry, honey. Only trying to help. That was the trouble with Blood and Roses: it was easier to remember the Blood stuff. The other trouble was that the Blood player usually won, but winning meant you inherited a wasteland. This was the point of the game, said Crake, when Jimmy complained. Jimmy said that if that was the point, it was pretty pointless. He didn't want to tell Crake that he was having some severe nightmares: the one where the Parthenon was decorated with cut-off heads was, for some reason, the worst. — From Oryx and Crake, by Margaret Atwood your mission should you choose to accept it.....I thought you may be amused by this: I guess along the lines of pop culture, some editors were bemused at the obscurity of many hooks that appear on the main page. I have on my travels seen plenty of more notable stubs which could be expanded five-fold, which I thought would be interesting to expand and place on the main page. I think I will copy this archived stuff into my userspace anyway, but held a (largely aborted) competition to highlight/find some more notable material that is too stubby and too expanded. I guess this is my way of addressing systemic bias (though with carrots rather than sticks). Your own personal mission, should you choose to accept, it is to find the most notable indonesian/balinese stubs to expand 5-fold and get onto the main page. Your skill with prose and thoroughness with referencing should make this easy. It is funny to see how a selection of contributors modifies the brownian motion of article creation, so for a while, rather than a spread of random articles, there were overrepresented birds, fungi, medieval Chinese figures, miscellaneous North American synagogues, and lots of US historical houses. Definitely needs more third world mateiral. Also, there is systemic bias in the birds wikiproject with a definite anglophone preponderance, so if you run across anything interesting from a local perspective avianwise that might make a good DYK, GA or even FA. Anyway, all this is presuming the arb works out...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motionThe above-linked ban review has been closed and a motion passed. You have been unblocked, conditional to the restrictions and mentorship arrangement set out in the motion, available in full at this link. The three mentors assigned are Casliber (talk · contribs), Jayvdb (talk · contribs) and Moreschi (talk · contribs). For the Arbitration Committee,
HelloWelcome back Jack. --Pixelface (talk) 15:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Welcome back. In the spirit of the upcoming season, I'm hoping for peace on Earth; hopefully we'll at least have peace with you this time? Hope springs eternal, you know. :) BOZ (talk) 16:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Uh, the upcoming season here is the wet season… but I get it. BOZ, I am going to offer a view on Gavin's RfC, however I'm not going to focus on D&D nearly as much (unencyclopaedic, and all). I will vigorously oppose D&D's Notable Dick, if necessary; that's always been a key reason for my involvement there. Nobody, I am focused on editing in a wider range of areas; see? I have not been 'gone', I have better than 10,000 edits while on holiday from en:wp; see? Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
New AssignmentsGiven your unique perspective of being (a) intelligent (b) bahasa-speaking, you may have some opinion on the balance of articles such as this one. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Also, maybe constructively reviewing articles at Misplaced Pages:Good_article_nominations or WP:PR maybe good. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC) My talk page is too fatWeird - it looked fine yesterday but has now gone too wide for some reason - can you see what is amiss? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Regarding WikiaI do recall reading several of your comments about Wikia at the E&C2 workshop, but I also recall several mentions of Wikia at the E&C1 workshop and particularly at Talk:List of Scrubs episodes before E&C2 opened. I also recall being contacted last December about the Wikia Annex, along with several other editors, including you — although it was later determined that that editor was a sockpuppet of Grawp. And yes, the Wikia Annex was mentioned in E&C2. I'm sure your comments had some influence on me, but I've been looking into the matter more and more. You may be interested in reading this comment from me on my talk page, which refers to an email by the CEO of Wikia, Inc in June as well as an article in The Guardian. Basically, Jimbo Wales (User:Jimbo Wales) and Angela Beesley (User:Angela) founded Wikicities, a for-profit wiki, in late 2004. In March 2005, the Misplaced Pages Board of Trustees, which Angela was on, suggested a user create a Star Wars wiki there. Angela has edited several Wikia templates on Misplaced Pages. In March 2006, Wikicities was renamed Wikia and the official press release on March 27, 2006 mentioned Wookieepedia. Also on March 27, 2006, WP:WAF was created, and it plugged Wookieepedia. On June 16, 2006, WAF was marked a guideline, and WAF continues to plug Wookieepedia to this day — including several other Wikia sites. Thirteen days later, WP:NOT#PLOT was proposed based on WP:WAF. WP:PLOT was added to NOT on July 9, 2006, and PLOT encourages the deletion of articles that are just plot summaries — which includes articles about scores of fictional characters. WP:FICT mentioned Wikia from August 2007 to March 2008 — during the span of E&C1 and E&C2. I've already noted that TTN, a central figure in E&C1 and E&C2, is apparently an editor at xiaolinshowdown.wikia.com as well as gaming.wikia.com. This press release from 2007 by the Wikimedia Foundation states that Wikia, Inc. is not the commercial counterpart to Misplaced Pages or the Wikimedia Foundation. However, several Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines currently promote Wikia, and have for some time. So Wikia has leverage. I am thinking of proposing a Misplaced Pages policy on how to deal with Wikia at WP:WIKIA. If that ever happens, your input would be welcome. --Pixelface (talk) 20:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Countering systemic bias #65 - bird folkloreOne thing that might be kinda fun, I have been trying to counteract the anglosaxon bias of bird folklore (I love how various cultures have interpreted their little critters)
Aha --> Cockfight ( they don't look balinese in the top image though) a agood place to embellish the SE asian bit (and fix some foramtting gaffes). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC) PuputanThis topic is an interesting one and your addition of it to Misplaced Pages is welcome. However I notice that you have peremptorily removed the merge proposal which I suggested without allowing time for other editors to comment and with the edit summary "silliness sorted". As I understand it, you seem to be describing the merge proposal as silliness. This seems improper in that it obscures the nature of your edit and is uncivil to boot. Please explain or retract your imputation. Having engaged with this topic, I may well make further contributions to it, as discussed on the article's talk page. My main concerns at the moment are that we should be using English to describe this topic, rather than using the Balinese language, and that the presentation should be neutral in describing the clash between the Dutch and the Balinese. Such issues of nationalist NPOV can be tricky to resolve and so we should strive to proceed in an open and amicable way. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
reverting MoultonHi... I strongly suggest you leave reverting Moulton to others... at least for now anyway. Your best course of action (after coming off a recent indef block) is to stay away from all drama as much as possible. Being involved with Giano is a high drama activity regardless of what "side" you are on... it's MAD in there if you ask me. ++Lar: t/c 16:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of madness, I've read this somewhere before; it amounts to digging a deep pit and throwing some folks in along with somewhat fewer knives. Sheesh, Jack Merridew 07:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Fix codeSee request on my talk page. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Ieyasu preceptsIt would have been better created by Tenmei, for attributions sake. John Vandenberg 06:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, I have no idea WTF I have done...what happened can you see the code which has gone awry?? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
User pageCan you do that to my user page too? Same thing is on that page as well as talkpage. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
File:Phaedriel's-orchid.jpeg...do you know this scientific name? Since it's PD, we can move it to commons, where it'd be good, but not required, to know the scientific name of this orchid variety. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
User pages/divs/etcHiya. I noticed that you seem to have a rather better grasp of div placement than I do. I have a custom banner overriding my page titles in my userspace, but for some reason it always displays as indented slightly down and to the right, unless I purge the page, at which point it displays correctly. It also displays correctly on diff pages, for what reason I do not know. Would you have the time to take a look here and see what I've done wrong? // roux 05:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Christmas
Why does your not celebrating Christmas have anything to do with systemic bias? Lots of people do celebrate it, including in America, and I am baffled by your edit summary, removing systemic bias means recognizing all celebrations. I imagine their are celebrations in Bali and that when there are you join in. Thanks, SqueakBox 04:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Please consider this thread moved to: Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I see nothing wrong with celebrating the holidays of one's own country/culture. You're denying Jimbo that right. Would you remove such a picture from a Muslim user's page if he were celebrating a Muslim holiday? — Rlevse • Talk • 23:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Re:Museum Puri LukisanWelcome back! The only way around these to get email permission from an official address at the museum- if the museum sends an email saying something like "We're X museum, and we are happy for the material on our website to be released under Y license" to our OTRS address, along with a link to previously uploaded images, then that's the problem sorted. Alternatively, permission letters to Wikimedia are sometimes used, but just trusting the user is not really feasible. J Milburn (talk) 10:55, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Joyeux NoëlJoyeux Noël, David. --Pixelface (talk) 03:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC) SorrySorry about that. I misunderstood your intentions and took you for a petty vandal. Sorry again. --Balloholic (talk) 14:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Indonesian projectIt might be hard to understand what exactly you are doing with all the indonesian templates - would it be possible to actually expain why and what at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Indonesia it would be good to have it on record what exactly you are up to - cheers SatuSuro 11:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
The more clear explanation to the noticeboard the betters - personal talk page stuff gets lost too easy - cheers SatuSuro 12:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Sorry to be a damp squib at the poject talk page but outright copying from wp:id is actively frowned upon - for a whole rang of issues - most of which need to be off wiki - but in essence few WP:RS exist - and as a consequence to flood a project with articles with no WP:RS WP:V is like cursing it - please do not SatuSuro 13:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for explaining your credentials - it is appreciated - the Indonesian project has enough issues to fill a bemo and scare every one out :) SatuSuro 14:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Susuhunan - I am a very strong anti oggle bastard (to use australian) - and to see the find a source and the oggle as a way of doing it - aarrgggggghhhh - a simple check of my library i could fill a reference list with 25 refs + but i am going to bed. cheers and good night - some other time SatuSuro 14:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
User talk:Bennylin#Template moves
You move them. I absolutely don't mind, even I'll thank you as long as they're properly sorted. I don't like war. You know the rules here whilst I not. Thanks. I'm gonna continue for a while and then go to rest. I'm very tired, so I'm sorry if I offend anyone. Bennylin (talk) 08:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
TemplatesAm gonna check em all sometime - and make sure they are with project tags - when its not so hot - trust the issue can get to the project talk page so we can establish that we want english terms in titles and usage and not indonesian. cheers SatuSuro 11:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
If youre doin redirects thanks caniago has been slaving them all back to inggeris - ta SatuSuro 11:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Be carefulThis sort of fun and games doesn't look so good so soon after an unban. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Happy New YearThank you, Sydney. I had a few beers with the lads at my usual restaurant. The Balinese do love a celebration. Lots of noise makers and pool games. I hope your evening was enjoyable, too. It's going to be a fine year. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Lets hear it on the nose for cognitive dissonance - hip hip foot doesy doe blue ray blu ray! SatuSuro 22:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Find SourcesInteresting. However, my Google (do we have a different machine?) have a different result http://www.google.co.id/search?hl=id&q=Revo+Arka+Giri+Soekatno&meta=&aq=f&oq= . I even found (doing that way, never really occurred my mind since the reference is archived in a way in WBI) a news site: Sinar Harapan, that was not mentioned. Serenity id (talk) 07:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Tidy up. Hmm, that's new. Writing in general regardless what language you're in needs to be read and rewritten several times til it reaches acceptable level. Second eye for proof reading is almost always needed. Anyhoo, even when I started the article already asked a friend to check it out because I was lazy myself. So don't worry. Serenity id (talk) 07:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
oggle rubbish
However not what i was here for - could you run your bullsh-- detecting eyes over ]? Its like he invented water and saved mars from a drought or something - i think your opinion at least would be worth having on it - it should have been speedied as a vanity but its socks have been playing which would make it diff to afd if it went there - cheers SatuSuro 12:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Sulawesi cat itemsSome really bright spark has tried to create a cat which identifies provinces of sulawesi as regencies - currently removing the apparent issue and trying to create the appropriate cat - there is simply no measure of the idiocy that seeps into this dammned project SatuSuro 03:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC) I think i worked it out conflation of cities and regencies into one template making cities regencies and regencies cities - sigh SatuSuro 03:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Worse than I thought - must be project wide - in central java - a province is in the regency cat - god give somebody a new brain, sigh SatuSuro 03:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
On condition that you fix it - it makes a mockery of the whole category process in the whole project - provinces are not regencies etc SatuSuro 04:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Trust I am not being too australian and confrotnational - would you prefer the javanese beat around the bush style and suggest a small trip to siberia for the week and then a hint in vladivostok? SatuSuro 05:07, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Hahaha it must be Bali? Javanese style you obviously have no time for - ill be more direct then - good oz style - when i find a mistake it will be said as that then - as for ignoring - there is one editor you might find enjoyable - Arief S - hasnt replied to one message in six months and keeps creating rubbish SatuSuro 05:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Not off yet -I have absolutely no ownership issue with Id for a start - I have just come back from a break and see issues in the project - no one else seems to be doing anything about them - if actually wanting to do some cleaning up - if that is perceived as ownership - well well. If it had been explained that tweaking templates is a way of creating categories somewhere - clearly and accessible - I have no issue with that. If you went a bit further you could have explained further early in the stage - by reverting all your templates you are supposedly putting it on me - classic projection. Rather than revert you could have explained and save yourself a lot of trouble just then. SatuSuro 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Humble pieOk yesterday i was a complete utter idiot and i apologise for the (a) abusive comment re your templates that create categories (b) slow on the uptake as to what was happening. (c) going around in circles re the category/template issue. Having wasted a lot of space on your talk already I will not take much now. I still have very mixed feelings re templates that create categories having discussed off wiki with some who have created used and abused the process. However I would have no problem if someone wanted to revert your reverts and return them to template creating category. My initial response was misguided - as I blindly wanted easy manually created categories. I can see some projects would or could have problems with the template tweaking. The thing takes time either way. In view of the heat that we have here at the moment I honestly couldnt give a damn if you respond or not. And for that if the Indonesian project went up in smoke so what. Its too hot here to bother about things like that. I'l get out of your way now. Bah SatuSuro 00:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
oh!?!This seems ominous. If it is related to your comments about projects being clubs, while I sympathise with your views (and indeed, a project does not denote authority) there is always value in seeing what they are doing. Often they have established conventions that are not necessarily correct, just consistent. I would like to say that projects are intended to have and do have "influence" over articles (and in the case of the Indonesia project it is, of course, influence of high quality!! he he). I'd certainly reject any notion either explicit or implied of projects having "authority". oh, and red links still suck though. ;-) Cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 05:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh well at least we are not in new order Indonesia where the question was always which religion are you? Heheh - beg to differ on most of what you have written above as well as no problems ignoring your pov as well as your what appears to be sense of humour. At least after some of the hard work we seem to be doing we might see the Indonesian club a bit better working, and thank you for that - even if it is diverging views we maintain in the face of that I was not necessarily joining in with Merbabu re red links but my point is the following. Most non english speaking eds who add to the WP Indonesia (club..heheh) have almost no english or limited interpreting skils - so the project gets filled with lists and links etc as their piece of whatever - the consequential mess of the project is there is less text but lots of links and lists (in a lot of cases not in alpha order or any sense at all) - so has grown a particular dislike of lack of meaningful text that is supplanted by lists - like Kodam VI/Tanjungpura and noting the effort on everthing apart from the history SatuSuro 07:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we quit with the sabre-rattling?. I will stub that city soon...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Three-pronged test for Elements of FictionI have drafted a revsion to WP:FICT that may address some of your concerns. I would be grateful for your views at WT:FICT#Three-pronged test for Elements of Fiction. --Gavin Collins (talk) 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC) Re:MenuFor some reason, the text wasn't coming out as Verdana or the color I wanted on my screen, so I moved back to the old style, as clunky as it seems to a HTML nerd like yourself ;-) — sephiroth bcr 09:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
ThanksFor portal update - it is getting a bit long in the tooth :( SatuSuro 09:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC) Less than civilityJack, such comments and edit summaries as what you have here are rather unhelpful if not mocking of another user. It is unseemly to allege someone has "contempt for the community" and to then go ahead and dismiss that editor when he makes what looks like a good faith and constructive suggestion. Look at how say Masem and Drilnoth replied, i.e. there are ways to acknowledge a good faith effort to contribute and say you don't think it's a good idea without resorting to a more mocking tone that only escalates disputes and that again is out of place if at the same time you are trying to criticize that particular editor for his own behavior. Sincerely, --A Nobody 19:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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