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my removal of that thing on your user page

wikipedia is NOT a sopabox, see WB:SOAP, it applies to USER PAGES TOO. your user page was clearly advocating propaganda.ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ (talk) 23:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You do not have a right to remove anything from my Misplaced Pages:User page, especially since the flag is actually part of Misplaced Pages articles! Gun Powder Ma (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

its not the FLAG thats the problem, its the ONE WORLD ONE DREAM FREE TIBET thats the problem,... and you might want to read the rules yourself......no soapoxing anywhere on hereㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ (talk) 18:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

WB:SOAP read it....ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ (talk) 18:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

International reaction to 2008 Tibetan unrest: "In San Francisco, California on April 7, 2008, two days prior to the actual torch relay, three activists carrying Tibetan flags scaled the suspension cables of the Golden Gate Bridge to unfurl two banners, one saying "One World, One Dream. Free Tibet"', and the other, "Free Tibet '08". So why should I remove content which appears elsewhere without a problem? If this were outright political propaganda, it would not even appear over there, would it ? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Talks at List of Chinese inventions

Hello, I believe there were discussion over these matters before, anyway I had added new materials on the talks page over your responses that you had raised before. Thank you Anpersonalaccount (talk) 16:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Templates on List of Chinese inventions

Hello Gun Powder Ma, although I agreed some of the question you raised, but I don't think the templates should be treated over the articles, plus there are in fact too much of it. Thanks! Anpersonalaccount (talk) 18:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute

Why haven't you quoted Sarton's article yet? Do you not even have access to it?! Please, prove me wrong, and show me that you actually read his article.--Pericles of Athens 19:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

That coming from someone who allows for weeks the unread Osprey quote on his pet page is a bit rich. Look, buddy, I do not call the library of Alexandria my own, and unlike some nerd, I actually have a life which keeps me busy. If you want it, I can provide it to you in some time, but only if I am sure that it won't shake your quasi-religious belief in Needham's 50-year-old-'findings'. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, did I strike a nerve? I knew it! You hadn't read Sarton's article, and by removing gimbal from the article, you jumped to conclusions faster than Needham!--Pericles of Athens 20:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't disappoint me and tell me that you have understood that I read the article, but do not have it at home. Is that in Nerd world really such a difficult concept to grasp? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Gun Powder Ma, I think this is misundertsanding, we should calm down over the discussion. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 20:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

By the way, who are you calling a nerd, I hope that's not me. Lol. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 20:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Below, this is so turth for me, I meant I have a life which keep me busy. And I rarely edit other articles. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 20:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Gun Powder Ma said on Talk: List of Chinese inventions:

Btw Sarton's is a book from 1970. I gave you the pages, look it up, if you are interested in the truth

I am going to my university library to rent out a book by the late George Sarton (1884–1956). I just read a really sweet memorial journal article dedicated to him on JSTOR...written in 1957. It commemorated him as a true scholar, so apparently the guy wasn't a hack. His book I will be renting out is called Ancient science and modern civilization, and was published posthumously in 1959. Hopefully he deals with the gimbals. Are we satisfied now, Gun Powder Ma?--Pericles of Athens 20:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Scratch that, that book was unavailable during Summer Renovation at my library. However, I found one work of his (1970) that is availble. He died in 1956, by the way.--Pericles of Athens 21:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Personal attack

Please be rational when discussing , I already told you not to make discussion over personal than content. See Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 20:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

This was no personal attack as you well know. You tried to discredit me as being a vandal. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I didn't, this is both personal attack and Ad hominem attack. Not to mention, you 're refering me earlier to as a nerd who have no life Anpersonalaccount (talk) 20:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

For the record, Anpersonalaccount claimed Gun Powder Ma's edit here was vandalism when it was a content dispute. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 20:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

His edit summary actually said see talk page for earlier specimen, but I do not found any new argument at that time over the talk page, so I thought it was a vandalism. This is clearly personal attack, not matter what you do, don't make any attack on others. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 20:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

For the record, this was never a content dispute, his removal came to me as vadalism, despite what he said over the edit summary, I only realised it was a mistake when he provide this explains over the talk later. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Questioning on my edits on List of Chinese inventions

Hello Gun Powder Ma, could you mind don't makes any questions over my edits, I cited Needham and Li Shou-hua is a dated research already. Thanks Anpersonalaccount (talk) 16:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice division of labour on List of Chinese inventions

Well said, of course I am not his labour, so mind you. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 16:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

But it is not the other's fault that you give that impression, is it? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 16:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

What impression anyway, is all according to you! Thus your fault for having such impression. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

But speaking of which impression, in fact what you give on others was a distorted man, probably aged around 40s, who likes to pick on articles you hate and removes the entires. It is not just me who have such impression, some anon had said that too previously. So it is not the other's and mine fault that you give that impression. Anpersonalaccount (talk) 22:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

You could lies as long you like, but you can't cheat on other's human instinct! Anpersonalaccount (talk) 22:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Li Shua-hua

Hello, actually Li Shua-hua is indeed dated, take a look at the source, it was published in 1954. Anpersonalaccount (talk)

Stern-mounted rudder, vertical, axial, median under the List of Chinese inventions bullet suggestion

Gun Powder Ma says

In the meanwhile can explain why would like a short defintion rather than a correct definition

Hello Gun Powder Ma, I think this is rather long for the bullet, do you have any other suggestions? Or shall we just stick to the "rudder" still? Anpersonalaccount (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, are you willing to address the question of rudder or not? Anpersonalaccount (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

"No mentions of a magnet" has been added in List of Chinese inventions

Hey Gun Powder Ma, I changed the the quotes as I found out another source of Li Shu-hua, I guess we rest on here with this. Thanks! Anpersonalaccount (talk) 20:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Needham's page on gimbal that you ask for on 18:34, 19 August 2008

Hello Gun Powder Ma, in case you're not aware of it, I just quoted the page from Needham you asked for. Take a look at it! Anpersonalaccount (talk) 00:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

World's largest domes

I believe the Kingdome is the only record holder on the list that no longer exists.

The title of each category is not the largest ever built... it is specifically domes "...that have held the title of the largest dome..." (in a place, by type, etc.). Does the Kingdome still hold the title of the largest concrete dome? It held the title of the largest dome built in its category, but as it does not exist, it cannot hold any title at this moment.

Is the tallest building in New York City still the WTC? Not according to Misplaced Pages... it isn't even on the List of tallest buildings in the world... because it(tragically) doesn't exist. Do you think Misplaced Pages should change that list?

If someone comes to the site and asks...where is the world's largest concrete dome... the article says... at present... it is the Kingdome... unless you check the notes.

By putting the word "demolished" in the place of "present", the Kingdome can still hold the record by being last in line, since Scope's claim on the chart will have terminated in 1976. Ruedetocqueville (talk) 01:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

In my understanding the demolished Kingdome holds the record just as much as the deceased Florence Griffith Joyner holds the World records in 100 m and 200 m. Since a decased can be a record holder by universal agreement, there is no reason to suppose that a demolished building cannot be a record holder, either. Do you think we should change the international understanding of what a record is? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

So we must change the Misplaced Pages tallest buildings list to add the WTC. Is this correct? Is it still the largest building in NYC?

List of tallest buildings in the world excludes the WTC correctly, because the list is concerned with the largest building in the world, which the WTC cannot be, since it does not exist any longer. List of the world's largest dome, however, is concerned with the record holder, and that can include demolished buildings, if their diameter has been unsurpassed, which is the case with Kingdome. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

List of tallest freestanding structures in the world still features the WTC. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

So does List of tallest structures in the world. I think that should settle the matter. The record willchange in a few years anyway. ;-) Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The Kingdome still holds "...the title of the largest dome in terms of (its) structure...". It is still the largest dome of its structure, according to the words on the chart. Thanks for the discussion. I bow to your interpretation.

Just FYI, today's edit of Norfolk Scope was not mine. Regards, Ruedetocqueville (talk) 21:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Gradation of architectural components in standard dimensions

I don't know much about the Roman De architectura of Vitruvius, and I was hoping that you know a thing or two about its content, given that you have an interest in all things Greco-Roman. This is in regards to an entry I want to add to List of Chinese inventions, but I am unsure if there was a precedent.

In the early 12th century Song Dynasty architectural treatise Yingzao Fashi, there is a graded system of architectural timber components in standard dimensions called caifen (材份制). Each of its eight grades were assigned to a different-sized timber hall in progressive order from smallest to largest. This is not simply a system of measurement, but a graded system of components meant to fit in structures of different sizes. In other words, it was a module system, which the free dictionary defines as thus:

Architecture The dimensions of a structural component, such as the base of a column, used as a unit of measurement or standard for determining the proportions of the rest of the construction.

Did such a system exist in Vitruvius' book? Or even any of the Indian Vastu Shastra? If not, I believe the Chinese were the first to establish such a system; correct me if I am wrong.--Pericles of Athens 08:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know of modules in Vitruv's book, but the existence of such systems can be easily established by archaeological means. The Pyramids featured different sizes of stone, as do the Greek temples. Such a system, where a single component defines the rest of the structure, can be also found in Greek and Roman torsion artillery, where the diameter of the springs determines the size of the machines, which come in different categories from small to large. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 13:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, just to be safe, I have asserted the Chinese were the first to create an eight-graded modular system, with each grade assigned to a different type and size of timber hall.--Pericles of Athens 21:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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Just a Thought

You really don't like giving any credit to the Chinese and Muslims do you? I can understand the former as that fire is liberally stoked by a spate of Chinese Nationalism (but I don’t want to pay lip service to idiots). However the latter is harder to argue against 'cos you can't deny their contributions despite the fact, as it has already been said (much to the disgrace of Robert Kilroy Silk ) that they haven't done much in the past 500 years, but neither too have the Greeks though for at least twice as long. I think though that they had a civil war at some point in the past century. You ought to learn to accept that western society and modern society as it has now been established de facto internationally is the germination of seeds planted many a year ago in India, Persia, Middle East, Egypt and of course Greece and Rome. Indeed if one were to draw a real historical line between East and West I would go far as to put it at the border between India and China (Indo-European and Sino-Tibetan nations respectively) if not that at least Persia or the Middle East. Aarandir (talk) 15:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Islamic Golden Age

I agree with you that the article needs further tagging.

You may want to know that I requested a peer-review on it here: Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Islamic Golden Age/archive1.

Cesar Tort 21:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for replying about the peer-review on the Islamic science article.

Alas, I am going for a very, very long wikibreak tomorrow (it's still Monday here in Mexico) and won't be able to contibute in the near future.

At any event, you still can copy what you just told me and paste it in Talk:Islamic Golden Age. I really think that the article needs some balancing, especially about the issue I took here.

Cheers,

—Cesar Tort 04:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Roman bridges

Yes, I'd certainly be interested. I'm a bit busy in real life at the moment, but I'll do them. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 10:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You are my man. You work at Sangarius Bridge was truly good. Take your time. Kind regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I have finished the Eurymedon Bridge, and I think I'll do the Limyra Bridge next. As for translating it into Greek, I'm certainly willing do it, after I've done the English article. Thanks for your kind words, and best regards, Constantine ✍ 12:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Great work! Simple as that. Again, no hurry, just take your time. Kind regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello! As you have seen, I've begun work on the Limyra Bridge. Working on it, I remembered that I wanted to ask you something. Do you have the exact dimensions of all the arches of the Eurymedon Bridge? It would be nice if we could include them into the article, because mentioning only the outer ones and the three central ones is a bit odd. Also, I've downloaded the journal, and it is a great help to writing the article, esp. the sketches and the map, in properly conceiving the layout of the bridge. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 08:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello again and a Happy New Year to you, too ! Yes, I am certainly still on. It's just that for the duration of the holidays, I did not have access (or time to find access) to the internet, and once back, real life came down hard... I'll try to finish the Limyra bridge over the next days, and then I'll take on the others. Also, I've seen the new images, very well done, congrats! Best regards, Constantine ✍ 23:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Glad to hear you are still on. I did not want to sound pushy, just curious, because I saw the tag removed. Kind regards. PS: I just created List of medieval bridges in France, they have a lot of interesting bridges, too! Gun Powder Ma (talk) 23:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Turtle Ship

You've got to be kidding me. LOL. The evidences are QUOTED in the text right now without your personal commentary NOR mine. Your reverts are in violation of WP:NOT#OR so take your original research elsewhere and leave the article as it is.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

History of Coal Mining

Thanks, Do you have a source to support the Hadrian's Wall claim made by another contributor? 62.56.99.2 (talk) 02:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Gimme your email address, and I send you the source rightaway. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 03:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Please stop stalking my edits

You've shadowed my edits to continue your disruptive editing. Please stop. If you continue to shadow my edits I will have to file an incidents' report. Thanks.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 16:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you stop undoing my quoted references with this pseudo rule citing. The rules you cite have nothing whatsoever to do with my edits. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Look there are genuine disagreement and edit issues that can be discussed with the japanese sea lion article. But claiming that rehab efforts are in Sea of Japan is false. You wouldn't know this because you have no genuine interest in this article and on the topic and are not aware of facts cited in all the other references in that article. Stop stalking my edits. You're taking our disagreement in the turtle ship article to another level of childishness and pettiness.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Why the heck do you constantly remove a referenced source? Do you get an allergic reaction by the name Sea of Japan? The article is for people interested in marine life, not a playground for your transparent political agenda. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

re:

SOME people THINK the turtleship had iron armor. That isn't good enough for you?

And I'm done here. You and melonbarmonster and all the people who is still yelling all over can keep whacking each other like you've done since the beginning of the big bang. This place is such nonsense now, I don't know why I stuck my head in here just to see whats been happening so far. Whats the point of fighting over this? Theres nothing at stake here and nothing in the real world will change regardless of whatever stuff we scribble in this place. And whatever you people write here isn't going to persuade anyone who reads these articles. If someone thinks the turtleship had iron then thats that and if someone thinks the turtleship had nothing then thats that. Nobody should care whether kimchee is made with nappa or chinese or american cabbage. Its still korean food and thats that.

I have chemistry homework and other things to do. so GOODBYE and do whatever you want with the turtle ship article only to have it reverted by melonbarmonster and vice versa.

Good friend100 (talk) 18:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, GoodFriend, that was one of the best rants I have read on Misplaced Pages, and I am not ironic at all. In a way you are right, of course. I guess we are all human, all too human. Good luck with your work. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Übersetzungswunsch

Hi Gun Powder Ma, I'm currently translating your Maliakos Gulf Tsunami article (no sorrows about the autographic faults in the lemma, please), but I actually don't know about the correct German Lemma. If you do: tell me (in de.wikipedia or here)! Greetings,--Fecchi (talk) 20:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Gadara Aqueduct

I was very interested by and with this article, being both familiar with the area and the science behind the technology. I was wondering if you were aware on an existing English translation of the main ref. If not, I'll have to hit up one of my local German-speaking friends to develop one. Regards,CasualObserver'48 (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I am glad you interested in the subject. Have you downloaded the article here? The only English source Döring gave me was Mathias Döring: "Roman Water Systems in Northern Jordan", Proceedings of the 12th International Congress on the History of Water Management and Hydraulic Engineering in the Mediterranean Region (Ephesus, Okt. 2004), Österreichisches Archäologisches Institut, Sonderschriften, Vol. 42 (Leuven, 2006), pp. 237–243, most probably a translation more or less true to his other articles (Sonderschriften = special issue). In case, you are going to write a comprehensive article, I would offer to ask him whether he can provide some pics as he kindly did with Pont d'Aël which he also investigated. Kind regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 16:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the downloaded link was what caused my question, because of my inability to read it with comprehension. I am not that interested in doing much on the article, but I will print the download and pass it on to a friend (.de) who can answer some questions; these relate to some specific things in the area, which overlap with my knowledge of the area. Thanks, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 01:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Jagged85

What other oddities has he produced. I must say that articles like that on that topic are all too common, YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Ritten

Hi Gun Power Ma, I'm really confused what you are doing on the Ritten page. hehe The article is Province of Bolzano-Bozen, we don't switch it from Bolzano-Bozen to Bozen-Bolzano on certain pages. Also, English usage for Bolzano, is, well, Bolzano. We don't call Milan, Milano on Italian-focused pages, nor do we switch Munich, to Munchen on German-focused pages. Thanks, Icsunonove (talk) 21:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, dude, can you please put back all those articles how they were? The convention we've been using across Italian towns is to have national language (Italian) first, followed by the primary local language/dialect. The article locations were placed at the primary local language usage, if there wasn't an English name to be used (at least this was done for Bolzano/Bozen). You going in and making redirects from Bozen-Bolzano to Bolzano-Bozen is nuts and is actually very poor Misplaced Pages practise. Icsunonove (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

• Can you stop wreaking havoc on the Bolzano-Bozen pages? You are making grand statements that are simply not true. Icsunonove (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The naming convention follows the listing order of the box on the Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol commune visible in each article. It follows exactly the pattern established at today. If you want to make changes, please give your rationale first. I am happy to particpate in any discussion. Your 'convention' you claim is certainly not correct, because Misplaced Pages names of the Aosta valley are routinely in French, such as Pont-Saint-Martin, Italy. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 22:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

• Dude, why the heck did you revert my edit on Steinerner Steg? It had nothing to do with any naming convention. @_@ You trying to drive us nuts, right? :P Did you read the edits I made first? I spent a lot of time to summarize the three citations as they read. It is not up to us to interpret them. Your edit was misleading, because you are using the feelings of editors on here to make statements which we are simply not allowed to do on Misplaced Pages (i.e. original research). Misplaced Pages policy is to use sourced material and to cite as is. You can't say O'Connor has a misconception, or that the mayor of Merano is correct. Re-read the edits I made, and discuss them on the discussion page if you have issues with them. Simply reverting other editor's good faith edits is really bad practice. Regarding the conventions, I've been working on these pages for a long time. The only conventions we've developed was on the page location. I can not believe that editors were replacing the links to Bolzano with Bozen and moving Bolzano-Bozen to Bozen-Bolzano on select pages. That is ridiculous. The only part you have correct is that the page locations do indeed follow how things are located in the T-AA/ST commune list. But that is simply the location of the pages, it doesn't mean that is how we are listing the Commune, Gemeinde, etc. in the body of the article. So please, before going and re-arranging things, discuss. AND please, do not revert edits like that... A'ight? :) Icsunonove (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)