Talk:Greg Louganis: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous edit Next edit →Content deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 03:35, 2 February 2009 editEye.earth (talk \| contribs)397 edits →accident: diving-board accident/do not include in article.← Previous edit		Revision as of 03:36, 2 February 2009 edit undoEye.earth (talk \| contribs)397 edits →accident: added ~~~~Next edit →
Line 44:		Line 44:
	:The way the media handled the accident was truly disgusting and cruel. It never occurred to the media to ask how badly Greg was hurt or whether his injury was dangerous or life-threatening8) and even the year that Louganis admitted his HIV-positive status (1995) as well as his concurrent admission that he knew six months ''before''. Instead, all the questions were about whether the blood in water was dangerous '''for other athletes'''.] (]) 03:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)		:The way the media handled the accident was truly disgusting and cruel. It never occurred to the media to ask how badly Greg was hurt or whether his injury was dangerous or life-threatening8) and even the year that Louganis admitted his HIV-positive status (1995) as well as his concurrent admission that he knew six months ''before''. Instead, all the questions were about whether the blood in water was dangerous '''for other athletes'''.] (]) 03:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

	Whether you think HIV causes AIDS or not (and I don’t think it does), it was surely unethical for Louganis to compete, because he knew he was HIV-positive months before the 1988 accident. The issue is the perception of danger, not necessarily any actual danger. (The doctor who stitched up Louganis' bloody head without wearing protective gloves probably got a good jolt upon learning in 1995 about a possible exposure seven years earlier.<ref>http://www.aegis.com/news/Lt/1995/LT950206.html</ref> ) I think that’s the source of the controversy, and hence the argument as to whether the accident deserves greater mention in the article. But I'm curious about those who think that the news media's emphasis on the perceived danger posed to others by Louganis' blood was unjustified. Presumably they also don't believe that HIV causes AIDS and thus object to any undue emphasis on what turned out to be a non-existent danger.		Whether you think HIV causes AIDS or not (and I don’t think it does), it was surely unethical for Louganis to compete, because he knew he was HIV-positive months before the 1988 accident. The issue is the perception of danger, not necessarily any actual danger. (The doctor who stitched up Louganis' bloody head without wearing protective gloves probably got a good jolt upon learning in 1995 about a possible exposure seven years earlier.<ref>http://www.aegis.com/news/Lt/1995/LT950206.html</ref> ) I think that’s the source of the controversy, and hence the argument as to whether the accident deserves greater mention in the article. But I'm curious about those who think that the news media's emphasis on the perceived danger posed to others by Louganis' blood was unjustified. Presumably they also don't believe that HIV causes AIDS and thus object to any undue emphasis on what turned out to be a non-existent danger. ] (]) 03:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Revision as of 03:36, 2 February 2009

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Biography: Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Misplaced Pages's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group.
	An editor has requested that an image or photograph be added to this article.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Swimming High‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Swimming, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Swimming on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SwimmingWikipedia:WikiProject SwimmingTemplate:WikiProject Swimmingswimming
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Olympics Mid‑importance

	Olympic Games portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Olympics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Olympics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OlympicsWikipedia:WikiProject OlympicsTemplate:WikiProject OlympicsOlympics
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

LGBTQ+ studies

This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBTQ-related issues on Misplaced Pages. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBTQ+ studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesLGBTQ+ studies

Previous discussions without headers

I am removing the bit about his head injury and AID's, since it seems dubious at best that researchers did not know aids could not be transmitted through chlorinated water. One, chlorinated water kills just about everything (hence the point of it BEING chlorinated), and two, the whole paragraph sounds like a hark back to the 80's when drinking from the same cup from a person with AID's meant you could get the disease. Considering the constant filtering and change of water in a swimming pool (particuarly a large scale, professional olympic pool), the fact that they cleaned off the diving board of his blood, and the fact that it was chlorinated, the paragraph about his being HIV positive and hitting his head seems a stab at him. SiberioS 03:57, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

No, that really was a concern at the time. Therefore, it should remain (and it has been replaced). Kurt Weber 04:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Did he really win 2 world championships in 1982, I thought 1 per year. Go Bruce!!

There was no real reason to delete the bit about the head injury.... Nar Matteru (talk) 02:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Technically speaking

In 1994, Louganis publicly announced he was gay and took part in the Gay Games. The following year, in 1995, Louganis also announced he had AIDS, something he had actually known since early 1988. He was dropped by all of his corporate sponsors except Speedo, which has stayed with him to this day. Did he have AIDS in 1995 or was he just HIV positive? --Eddylyons 20:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

By all appearances (see the pix on his website). Louganis was and is merely HIV-positive to this day, although he claimed in 1995 to meet the CDC's clinical definition of AIDS . He probably did, for what it's worth. It's a curious case, like that of Magic Johnson. Both men have had HIV for twenty-odd years, yet seem to show no sign of AIDs. I've commented on this in Johnson's Talk section, where I point out the difference between him and those who are known to have taken antiretrovirals for years: the latter group are dying of accelerated old age. I suspect that neither Louganis nor Johnson are taking antiretrovirals but the matter probably doesn't belong in their articles. Eye.earth (talk) 00:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Gay stuff

I'm thinking that this next line while funny is not factual.

In 1995, Louganis's autobiography, entitled Diving into Uranus: The Greg Louganis Story

and this one...

Louganis went on to win his first world title in the same event, yet he still liked to be behind Italians.

is silly and while possibly true, I think not needed.

Introduction

I have changed the introduction of this article back from reading "is a gay American diver" to "is an American diver". The change had been made recently by an anonymous contributor and did not accord with current Misplaced Pages editorial practice. - Mark 09:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

accident

This article should say more about the accident. 70.92.103.13 06:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The way the media handled the accident was truly disgusting and cruel. It never occurred to the media to ask how badly Greg was hurt or whether his injury was dangerous or life-threatening8) and even the year that Louganis admitted his HIV-positive status (1995) as well as his concurrent admission that he knew six months before. Instead, all the questions were about whether the blood in water was dangerous for other athletes.66.65.129.159 (talk) 03:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Whether you think HIV causes AIDS or not (and I don’t think it does), it was surely unethical for Louganis to compete, because he knew he was HIV-positive months before the 1988 accident. The issue is the perception of danger, not necessarily any actual danger. (The doctor who stitched up Louganis' bloody head without wearing protective gloves probably got a good jolt upon learning in 1995 about a possible exposure seven years earlier. ) I think that’s the source of the controversy, and hence the argument as to whether the accident deserves greater mention in the article. But I'm curious about those who think that the news media's emphasis on the perceived danger posed to others by Louganis' blood was unjustified. Presumably they also don't believe that HIV causes AIDS and thus object to any undue emphasis on what turned out to be a non-existent danger. Eye.earth (talk) 03:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Categories: