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Wriothesley

I agree I should have provided a link to International Phonetic Alphabet, International Phonetic Alphabet for English, or IPA chart for English. I'm not sure if you feel the newbie I bit was the one who asked the question, or you yourself. I don't think I bit the newbie who asked the question at all. If you feel I bit you, I apologize, but I'm tired of seeing the complaint over and over again that IPA is somehow difficult to learn, and especially I'm tired of seeing the argument that because IPA is somehow difficult to learn it should be avoided on Misplaced Pages. (I know you didn't make that argument, but other people have, many times.) I consider that to be pure anti-intellectualism at its worst. There's nothing elitist about using the IPA, and you don't have to be a "wicked clever linguist" to understand it. A person of average intelligence can learn to recognize IPA symbols in half an hour to an hour, that's really all it takes. (Learning to use them oneself and to make phonetic transcriptions of English admittedly takes longer.) --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 14:31, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I hope you're not serious about eliminating all instances of "had had" from Misplaced Pages. The pluperfect is extremely useful when used correctly. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 14:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

When I wrote that I was afraid you were just replacing all instances of "had had" with "had". Now I know you're actually recasting the sentences or finding other verbs to put in the pluperfect. Still it's amazing to me that it bothers you so much you actually spend your time doing it. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 10:32, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Photos

Truth is I haven't gone out to a station recently. Since I made that promise, I went out only on 17 Sep to click some photos of Ganpanti celebrations. Those photos are umm... still in my camera. In between I pushed Bhutan to FA, Nepal is on FAC and wrote stubs for articles I've been longing to do since Feb. We've also had a lot of rain this year and I particularly don't like getting wet, last Sunday was out first sunny day in over a month. Ok enough of excuses, I'll try and locate those boys. Anything else? User:Nichalp/sg 10:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Nope, all it needed was a redirect. Thanks for asking anyways. User:Nichalp/sg 10:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Proto, What else can be done? Now he's attacking a good educated editor I met Scott 23:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Image

Well, I did go out today. I found one at Churchgate station, but there was a posse of policemen nearby, and I didn't feel confident of "shooting" him. So I went outside and there was another person. Unfortunately he wasn't a "boy", rather around 40+ yrs. Since he was sitting idle, I moved on. I did manage to take out of another person, but the shot is slightly blurry and is of a man again. Bad luck, I'll have to go to another station on another day. :( User:Nichalp/sg 10:06, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Sts students home.jpg

Please note that this image cannot be tagged {{promophoto}}. In this case, User:Pigsonthewing seems to be right: the image has been ripped off the school web site, and it is not a promotional image designed to promote the persons in question. A publicity shot of an actor might be a {{promophoto}}, but not this generic image of some students. Lupo 11:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

doctors handwriting

Residents (or whatever the english equivalent is) are generally pretty non-elite folks. In the US, we sometimes have to remind them to sign their notes with their MD so we can prove a doctor provided the service. You are the right age: go join a group and tell them I told you to settle an argument about how cliquish they are. The solidarity and appearance comes from the fact that (at least here) they are in the middle of a pretty stressful transition from student to professional, and are working harder hours in more stressful conditions for lower pay than most people not in a third world country ever will; that tends to forge a group mentality and lots of jargon. So don't let the stethoscopes put you off-- their handwriting is neater than it ever will be again. Finally, I assure you that bad handwriting is not to "conceal" anything. Go talk to them; they will respect your expertise and you will probably hit it off and not feel so put off by their appearance. Best wishes. alteripse 00:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC) PS, what does the music from Reservoir Dogs sound like?

Image:Chippanfire.jpg

You state "UK government images are free to use for non-profit educational purposes" yet you've marked the image as public domain. Please can you provide more details about the source of the image and pick a copyright tag from Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags. Edward 21:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Apple Macintosh

You helped choose {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} as this week's WP:ACID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

-- Mamawrites 00:05, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Denelson83's RfA

Thank you for giving your support! I will not let you down—not now, not ever.  Denelson83  22:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

You're, uh, quite welcome. *blushes* BTW, just so you know, I'm a male. ;)  Denelson83  18:16, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

RfA Freestylefrappe

Your vote is welcome, either way of course. I have tried, as has Freestylefrappe, to explain that his first admin attempt failed due to low edits. He was only trying to show that there shouldn't be a double standard by notifing voters of another candidates low edit counts. I for one, have a level of time in, and minimal edits level that has to be attained before I vote yea, (not to mention my more important qualifications as far as editing quality) and also pointed out that, according to the vote I showed that you had made on another admin nomination, that you do too. Regardless, the nomination appears to be one that will end up failing and I think for a lot of petty argument over Freestylefrappe's editcountis, which is understandable in light of his first nomination failing for the opposite reason.--MONGO 14:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Your argument is well understood and is a fair one. I have to agree that solicitation of votes for or against anyone based on any criteria is not the best thing to do, but it happens more often than not. Anyway, happy editing!--MONGO 14:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Just for clarification, could you link me to the insult or is obvious on his userpage, because I didn't see it. I asked him about another issue I saw and he said is was about an article he wrote that got deleted and then was rewritten later on, but I didn't see it actually insult anyone.--MONGO 14:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah...I myself asked him about that before I nominated himhere and he responded on my talk page]...it is a tongue in cheek joke and that is all.--MONGO 14:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

a heads-up on the List of Guantanamo Bay detainees

Greetings,

Since you voted to keep the article List of Guantanamo Bay detainees I thought I would give you a "heads-up". A copyright violation was filed against the article, on October 11th. It was filed by someone who had voted to delete the article on October 5th.

I believe that the copyright violation is entirely bogus. I believe it is bogus because, as explained in Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service, lists of facts, like lists of names, cannot be copyright. This Feist v. Rural case went all the way to the US Supreme Court, which made the possibly counter-intuitive ruling that the amount of effort someone put in to compiling a list plays no role in determining whether that list is eligible for copyright protection.

Even if alphabetic lists of names could be copyright, I believe the wikipedia list would not be violating copyright since the list was compiled from various sources.

Yes, I have considered that this user invoked a bogus copyright violation to achieve a result that failed in the {AfD}. Yes, I asked them to terminate the copyright violation process, in light of Feist v Rural. They declined. The backlog in the administrators dealing with copyright violations seems to be on the order of a month long.

Anyhow, I wanted the people who had shown interest in the article to not freak out, or feel betrayed, by seeing the copyright violation tag. -- Geo Swan 11:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks.  :-) -- Geo Swan 15:07, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Your responses to GeoSwan's Request

I made the copy tag in good faith. Please see my comments on the copy vio vote page.

What Geo swan forgot to tell you was that I have repeatedly suggested that GeoSwan edit his table to avoid the copyvio problems, but he has refused. Yes, he can use the names, but he has lifted the WHOLE TABLE. It would take less time to rewrite it to avoid the copyvio than all this.

By the way, I would like to add that it is not helpful to be continually accused by Geo Swan and his buddies of being a. a Mexican Bandit, b. a right wing Cuban, c. a Troll, d. one who conspires to block information, or e. one who acts in bad faith. Joaquin Murietta 15:25, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

To clarify, Joaquin is referring to the copyright violation he placed on List of Guantanamo Bay detainees - a notice that seems kinda misplaced. I mentioned it looked like it may have been in bad faith, and didn't accues him of being either Mexican, a bandit, right wing, a Cuban, a troll, nor one who conspires to block information. Proto t c 15:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

The original Paul Celucci article

I respectfully do not agree with your statement on my talk page. The two articles were very different. I nominated the Paul Celucci article because it was POV, and everything of significance about the Ambassador was already covered in the Paul Cellucci article. After I nominated it, User:GeoSwan self-nominated his version for speedy delete. Joaquin Murietta 15:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Gareth Peirce

Compare Geoswan's version to what is emerging and then please give me your informed opnion on whether I am a right-wing Cuban conspirator and whether it is wrong to edit his toss-offs. Gareth deserves to be more than a prop in his Guatnanamo project. Joaquin Murietta 15:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Clive Stafford Smith

Ditto. Take a look at what emerged after I cite checked yet another of Geo Swan's hundreds of articles. What do you think? Joaquin Murietta 15:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Mohammed Hagi Fiz

Geo Swan asked me to hold off changes unless I talked. So I posted on the talk page, and one of Geo Swan's friends, the one who called me a Cuban and a Mexican Bandit, posted this As above, stop asking meaningless questions. Either set out specifically where your concerns are, and engage in meaningful discussion, or edit the article as you see fit. Joaquin Murietta 15:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Other edits

I am happy to discuss all of them with you. Joaquin Murietta 15:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Abderrahman Ahmad

I just edited Abderrahman Ahmad. I added his date of birth. I deleted some irrelevant stuff and some NPOV outdated links. I added some recent news. Please let me know if this appears to be in bad faith or you want to revert it to the Geo Swan version! Joaquin Murietta 18:03, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think they got the joke...

See http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous#TV_Police Some IP actually posted their question to your joke "Pub Quiz" page. I thought it was funny, they apparently thought you were serious. Just thought I'd let you know in case you missed it.  :) Dismas| 21:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you Proto for your support in my recent request for adminship. It was successful thanks to you. I will strive to an open, approachable and transparent administrator. --Jcw69 19:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

the wub's RfA

Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. the wub "?!" 13:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

WikiGnome

On the Rfa vote proccess, hahaha, nice joke, yeah I did come off as a gnome hater but in truth they serve their purpose too but i was just pleasantly suprised to see a someone who contribute large portions of text to documents want to be an editor, in the future I'll try and not discriminate against gnomes so much becuase wikigremlins and wikitrolls are always much worse. -- Patman2648|talk 19:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Terri Schiavo

While Talk discussion on Terri Schiavo are indeed unnecessarily long-winded (41 archives, which is a record as near as I can tell) it seems to me needlessly snide to make your first contribution a sarcastic criticism of other people's discussion. Marskell 12:25, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Response on Marskells page pointing out that 1) it wasn't anywhere near my first contribution and 2) I know all too well how long-winded (and usually unnecessary) discussions are - the post I made was an example of that. Proto t c 12:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

First contribution to the discussion, to be clear. "'Host', as long as it's linked correctly, is fine, and doesn't need explanation"--then that could have been your post (though it's not needed now as it appears to be settled). I'm sorry, it just seemed to be coming out of nowhere with a cynical comment. Another editor removed it, presumably with the same thought in mind. Marskell 12:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Thx. Although now it appears we're going to have to debate whether it has the "form" or the "appearance" of bread. Sigh. Marskell 12:54, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Photos

Hi Proto, I did a lot of searching around but haven't found a pic of shoeshine boys. Will adult shoeshine guys do? User:Nichalp/sg 13:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Holy Communion

The Catholic Church teaches that in this sacrament the bread is no longer bread in substance, but retains the appearance of bread. It is not symbolically the Body of Christ, but is in reality the Body of Christ. If you have been led to believe otherwise, I am sorry for that.

My suggested reading for you is The Lamb's Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth by Scott Hahn ISBN 0385496591 patsw 13:22, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Proto. I'd just like to comment on your recent post to the Terri Schiavo talk page, in which you said that you're a Catholic, and the use of the word "bread" for the consecrated host doesn't bother you, because it is bread. I don't want to argue with you about whether or not it is bread, as that would be an abuse of Misplaced Pages server space, and as you probably don't want to hear my arguments, anyway. You think it's bread, and I think it's not bread. One of us must be wrong. Fine. Let's respect each other and move on; the Misplaced Pages talk pages were not intended for religious debates.

I am concerned, however, that your post might lead people to believe that your belief of what the host is might be in any way representative of Catholic teaching. I can't tell you that you're wrong in your belief that it's bread, since transubstantiation is not something that can be empirically proved. However, I must tell you that you are very much mistaken if you think that that the Catholic Church teaches that it's bread symbolizing Christ in some way. Perhaps you had an uninformed or careless catechism teacher. Perhaps even a priest misled you. I have in front of me the Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Catholic Catechism by Father John Hardon, The Church's Confession of Faith by the German Bishops' Conference, which included Cardinal Ratzinger, Saint Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica, the two-volume Decrees of the Ecumenical Councils, edited by Norman Tanner, and the authorized translation of the Dogmatic Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, and they all present the Eucharist in a very different way from you. I am quoting from the thirteenth session of Council of Trent,

If anyone denieth that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and sustantially, the Body and Blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith the He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue; let him be anathema

If anyone saith that, in the sacred and holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denieth that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood — the species only of the bread and wine remaining — which conversion indeed the Catholic Church most aptly calls transubstantiation; let him be anathema.

If anyone saith that, in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, is not to be adored with the worship, even external, of latria . . . let him be anathema.

If anyone saith that Christ, given in the Eucharist, is eaten spiritually only, and not also sacramentally and really; let him be anathema.

The writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas are also very clear that the Eucharist is not bread and wine symbolizing Christ, or bread and wine existing together with the Body and Blood of Christ. The bread and wine cease to exist at the consecration; they retain merely the appearance (plus taste, shape, smell, etc.) of bread and wine. Relevant writings from the Summa Theologica can be found in the Third Part, Section 75, Section 76, and Section 77

I realize, of course, that you are probably not remotely interested in what the Council of Trent or the Fourth Lateran Council or Pope Paul VI had to say about the Eucharist. I did not post this to you in the belief that you'd read it with eager interest. Nor is it intended as sarcasm. You have, of course, every right to be unoffended by the use of the term "bread", and to believe it is bread. (Whether or not you are correct in your belief is not for debate on Misplaced Pages.) My worry is that you might give the impression that your belief is in accordance with Catholic teaching. That is definitely not the case. I'd appreciate if you would clarify that on the Terri Schiavo talk page. Thanks. Ann Heneghan 20:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)