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Proposed merge

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was I've proposed a merge with other "ending" articles into one single article, Ending (literature). Reasons and discussion can be found here (scroll down until you see the listing). L337 kybldmstr 10:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Meger - Resulting article would become excessivly long and pre-cede any GA or FA nomination   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment that merger proposal is a year old. Darrenhusted (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge all 'twist' articles

There's a dreadful article called Plot twist, and this fantastic article, Twist ending. I'm inclined to say Twist ending should be renamed Plot twist, and discuss twists in general. I don't see why "ending" should be the only area in which twists are discussed. While in many cases the ending is where the big twist occurs (Planet of the Apes, The Usual Suspects, Fight Club), a more generic discussion could be more useful.

It would further provide a justification for eliminating the terrible content of the aforementioned Plot twist article. -FeralDruid (talk) 04:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Merger - Two different topics a twist ending and a twist deserve distinguishment   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 23:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Support. The twists given in this article do not only apply to endings, indeed many are not about endings at all. Should be merged, and the resulting article have a section discussing the application of twists to endings - if there is anything special to say about them. I really donh't think many make any difference if the occur at the the end, or after 3/4 of the plot.Yobmod (talk) 10:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

As the merge is not going along yet, i've stzarted removeing all the examples of twists that are not endings (eg, characters being killed at the beginning of a movie).Yobmod (talk) 13:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Lord of the Flies

On Lord of The Flies being a Dues Ex Machina ending, I'm not sure that it was since the boat came due to the fact that the boys had lit the whole island on fire. Also, I understood the source of the phrase as a mechanical god brought down to resolve to play.

As was pointed out by the author in a later foreword, the officer and his ship saved the kids, but who will save the officer and his ship? It's not a deus ex but actually a "moral twist" ending.

I removed this: For example, in William Golding's Lord of the Flies, a ship arrives at the island to rescue the boys just in time to prevent the band of "hunters" from killing the protagonist, Ralph.

As it is not a DeM (what is unexpoected about a ship coing to investigate an island that is on fire, in an area where a bunch of kids went missing? And the source doesn't look very reliable either, more of a blog.Yobmod (talk) 10:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Lord of the flies is NOT a twost ending. A twist ending would have been if the kids were stranded on purpose and everyone was in on it to test one of the kids to see if he'd stay sane, etc. THAT would have been a twist ending. Lord of the Flies is just about kids stranded, who go crazy and in the end rescuers find them just before they kill someone. Where's the twist? NONE.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.112.186 (talk) 23:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Merging?

I'm not quite sure I understand the merging. This is what the tag reads:

So we should merge all four articles into an article that does not exist? I saw that the link we were supposed to merge to is bright red. I thought it was speedily deleted or deleted for nonsense or gibberish, but a click tells me the page is brand spankin' new! What's the deal here? We're going to gather all the information and then create a new article with it? Lady★Galaxy 05:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter

>:D A great example of a triple-cross betrayal would be Snape in Harry Potter :D ....Wouldn't it? =o Might come out soon too :O —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.231.51 (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

1. Janra, Common plot errors: deus ex machina, Write On!

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