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In review

→ Ambition is our idol, on whose wings
Great minds are carried only to extreme;
To be sublimely great, or to be nothing.

Thomas Southerne (1660 - May 22, 1746), The Loyal Brother, Act I, Scene i (1682) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose - I like the quote, but the last two links bother me. It implies that there are only two choices- to become a featured article, or to be deleted. Many articles are just fine hanging out at the GA level. I'm not sure I like the implication of an "all or nothing" there. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment - how about changing the last two to sublimely great and nothing? —La Pianista  17:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

→ It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way...

I'm pretty happy with this one. It shows (among other things) the dichotomy of opinions that can exist about any facet of Misplaced Pages, between its supporters and detractors. I considered trying to find links for the best and worst of times, but I thought it stood better on its own. No need to link them; the rest of the quote has enough links to establish clear relevance, and the purpose of that first part is just set up anyway. I am also not 100% happy with the link for "Heaven," so if someone can think of a better suggestion, I'm all for it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - As long as it is, this is an excellent motto. I agree that the link to "Heaven" is a bit weak, but I can't think of anything else. –Juliancolton 17:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - Excellent motto, but I agree that the link to "Heaven" is weak. I also would not advocate a link to WP:ADMIN or Special:Contributions, as these are equally weak. —La Pianista  07:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Reply - Excellent. I would not advocate those links, either. Still can't think of anything better for "Heaven," though. Aside from Heaven, of course. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Oh you rascal! —La Pianista  17:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support. So glad you were happy with this one :). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:36, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

→ To live with integrity in an unjust society we must work for justice. To walk with integrity through a landscape strewn with beer cans, we must stop and pick them up.

I'm not 100% satisfied with this set of links, though I think they work OK. I am open to further suggestions, though. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - I really like this one. It's a bit long, though. –Juliancolton 16:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Witch's motto. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

→ Finally, a good use for your mouth.

Any better links? Chamal 13:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Support - Not bad; the chosen link is adequate, though not great. How about WP:Talk Page, WP:TALK or WP:CONSENSUS? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - Works for me. –Juliancolton 16:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• A plug to Editor review could go well here. iMatthew // talk // 02:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support. How about WP:SPOKEN? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

→ Finally, a good use for your mouth.

Edit 1 - Per Pjoef, above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Strong Support - Pjoef's suggestion is perfect. A novel, clever link to a section of Misplaced Pages that doesn't get alot of attention. it has the added benefit of being hilarious. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

→ Everyone be quiet, including me. Shhh! Who's making that noise? Oh, it's me again.

So we are out of motto noms again, which reminds me that I should find something. Chamal 12:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Strong Support - This one sends a great message, and has the added benefit of being hilarious. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Support: the amusement of it catchs one's attention, and the message stays with us Spitfire 13:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - heh –Juliancolton 16:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Support - I love it! Simon 17:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Shhh! lol –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Live long and prosper

Mr Spock Simply southis this a buffet? 15:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support (assuming it hasn't been used before) - I'm fine with this one, if we haven't used it already. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - We shouldn't be associating edit count with experience or longevity on Misplaced Pages. –Juliancolton 16:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Question - Why not? In general, people with a high edit count have been at Misplaced Pages for a long time. How does that not fit with "Live Long"? Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Watch this space!

Simply south not SS, sorry 16:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Support - I guess letting people know that the watchlist exists is a good message for those who don't know about it already, but the message is very blase. Maybe on a (drumroll, please) slow news day. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak support, per Nutiketaiel. <insert random profanity here> —La Pianista  18:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak oppose It's nice, but (IMHO) is it really worth putting up a motto to notify people of the existence of the watchlist? From my own experience - other editors feel free to disagree - once I started editing kind-of steadily, getting to the watchlist really wasn't something people had to tell me. Icy // ♫ 20:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - I'm pretty sure most people who know about MOTD also know about their watchlist. –Juliancolton 17:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

 Reopened - no consensus. Queenie 21:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

→ Never anger made good guard for itself.

William Shakespeare (1564–1616), Antony and Cleopatra, Act IV, Scene i (1623) ~ I'm always late /o\ ... have a great Valentine's Day ... 2010 (^___^)! peACE & LuV 2 All –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• Clarification Request - I'm not up on my Shakespeare; could you explain the context of the quote? I'm afraid I can;t figure out what its trying to say without the context. The wording is too obscure for my poor, addled brain. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Summary: Act IV, Scene i: Before Alexandria. OCTAVIUS CAESAR's camp.
Octavius Caesar receives Antony's challenge at his camp near Alexandria. His friend, Maecenas, counsels him to take advantage of Antony's rage, for "ever anger / Made good guard for itself" Octavius Caesar prepares his army and plans to crush Antony.

Enter Octavius Caesar (One of the three men who rule Rome), Agrippa (Military commander and advisor of Octavius), and Mecaenas (Octavius' friend), with his Army; Octavius Caesar reading a letter

Octavius Caesar: He calls me boy; and chides, as he had power
To beat me out of Egypt; my messenger
He hath whipp'd with rods; dares me to personal combat,
Caesar to Antony: let the old ruffian know
I have many other ways to die; meantime
Laugh at his challenge.

Mecaenas: Caesar must think,
When one so great begins to rage, he's hunted
Even to falling. Give him no breath, but now
Make boot of his distraction: never anger
Made good guard for itself.

Octavius Caesar: Let our best heads
Know, that to-morrow the last of many battles
We mean to fight: within our files there are,
Of those that served Mark Antony but late,
Enough to fetch him in. See it done:
And feast the army; we have store to do't,
And they have earn'd the waste. Poor Antony!

Exeunt

Antony and Cleopatra is available online for free. The quote is about "anger" or, more precisely, it is about "rage" and how to take advantage of it. But, my interpretation is different. I first thought to link it to the opposite meaning, the antonym of "anger"/"rage" but I prefered to link it to WP:LOVE because LuV is the answer to every question!!! Also, I think that the combination, quote+link, is very intriguing and it will push people to click it (that is not so bad after all). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:33, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• • • Thank you for the context and explanation, but I must Oppose. The interpretation is too obscure, and without context I never would have figured it out, made worse by the fact that your interpretation is not the one supported by the context, so even if someone were interested enough to look up the source of the quote, or enough of a Shakespearean to know it off the top of their heads, they still would not likely see the connection between it and the link. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - I agree with Nutiketaiel. –Juliancolton 00:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose: If I can't understand it, nobody can. Who can understand Shakespeare anyway? But seriously, a lot f people will not understand this. Chamal 15:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

→ For those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents,
we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken;
you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.

Yet another inauguration excerpt. Not too sure about this one, though. The NPA link is kinda of deep. Simon 22:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - minor suggestion, really. What would you think of changing "advance their aims" to "advance their aims", with "advance" included in the link? I would also recommend that these longer mottoes be put further down the calendar - it's time for some short ones now. —La Pianista  22:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

• People who are POV-pushers are not necessarily vandals. WP:POINT also is not necessarily vandalism. But the second link makes more sense I guess, though it's not perfect. So, Weak Support if link suggested by La Pianista is added, plus Nutiketaiel has a point too. Chamal 13:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Support - A little... melodramatic... isn't it? Nutiketaiel (talk) 00:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose, upon further thought, per Nutiket and Chamal. A bit too "doomy." —La Pianista  18:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose! Uhmmm ... was he talking about mass media? I'm sorry, but I really don't like this one. IMHO, this was the worst part of his inaugural speech. peACE –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

→ Mistakes are part of the game. It's how well you recover from them, that's the mark of a great player.

–Juliancolton 18:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Maybe the first two links should be WP:Criticisms and WP:About. SAVIOR_SELF.777 18:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I considered that, but I prefer the mainspace links in this case. –Juliancolton 18:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak support, of Conditional support really. the links need to be changed a little, I think. --Kfc18645 talk 05:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Any suggestions? –Juliancolton 05:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
    • How about → Mistakes are part of the game. It's how well you recover from them, that's the mark of a great player. If you have a problem with referring to RfA as a "game," tell me. —La Pianista  06:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I generally like the idea, but I'm not really comfortable referring to adminship as a "game". I suppose it can't hurt to try, however. –Juliancolton 14:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
    • What about changing the wlink for Mistakes to point to WP:NCH (Misplaced Pages:New contributors' help page)??? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
      • That could work, though, frankly, I think Edit 1 is better. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

→ Mistakes are part of the game. It's how well you recover from them, that's the mark of a great player.

Edit 1 at the suggestion of La Pianista. I'm not sure about referring to adminship as a game, but we'll see what everybody else thinks. –Juliancolton 14:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - Looks good to me; nothing like encouraging people to "try, try again," as the old saying goes. I wasn;t that comfortable with the original link for "Mistakes" anyway. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - I am really not conformable with the fact that this motto calls RfA a game. Simon 20:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Reply - Aww, c'mon, it's just a little poetic license. Besides, you shouldn't take Admins so seriously. I know I don't. Nutiketaiel (talk) 00:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
    • –Juliancolton 06:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Reply - I know that admins are no big deal. It's just there are many people in Misplaced Pages who do. Simon 17:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
        • Reply - Well, if there are many people on Misplaced Pages who think that Admins are a big deal, all the more reason to approve this motto to help them to stop thinking of Admins as such a big deal. Like the kitty cat said. Kitty cats are wise and powerful. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose! I'm sorry, but I don't like the links used in this version. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup on Aisle 3!

It just came to me after I saw an article that DESPERATELY needed cleanup. SAVIOR_SELF.777 19:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment. Is this a quote from something? If it is, it should be linked to it with a little arrow. Queenie 19:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply - Yeah! SRS is here. The thing is that it is from many movies and shows, so it's kinda hard to link it... Simon 21:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - Well known quote, and rather humorous motto. –Juliancolton 22:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Support Without the cute quote I'd say it's a bit too bland, but I think the quote itself is nice enough for a support. Icy // ♫ 22:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Support - Reminding people about the existance of the cleanup page is good, but the quote is extremely meh. Maybe on a slow news day. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support: Simple and straight to the point. We shouldn't stick to only mind-twisting mottos :) Chamal 14:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment - how about changing the last link to WP:OPEN? —La Pianista  05:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

• If you mean the link for "Aisle 3," it wouldn't make much sense IMO. Maybe the "Cleanup" link, but I think how it is now is good. SAVIOR_SELF.777 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

• WP:OPEN lists articles needing all sorts of maintenance work, not just cleanup. If we are looking for that, I think Category:Cleanup by month would be a better option. Chamal 12:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup on Aisle 3!

Edit 1 per the male version of me. —La Pianista  23:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - message is clearer, second link does help vastly. —La Pianista  23:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support better link for "Aisle 3" than mine SAVIOR_SELF.777 00:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Support per my above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support per me, and my female version. Hey wait... WHAT??? Chamal 13:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support per above. It's clear and to the point. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

→ WikipediA: Infinite riches in a little room.

Christopher Marlowe (1564–1593), The Jew of Malta, Act I (1589) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support interesting. Why the A at the start? Simply south not SS, sorry 11:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  • A typo? I'm kidding (^___^). I lIkE tO uSe tHe cApItAl lEtTeR "A" iN tHe wOrD "WikipediA". It's in the WikipediA logo at the top left of each page. I piped it! SoRrY (^_^)! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Support - I like the quote, but I don't like the "little room" link to Knowledge. It doesn't seem to fit. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Suggested links: "Misplaced Pages: infinite riches in a little room". I suppose it's kind of stating the obvious, but the link to knowledge in the original version doesn't seem to fit. –Juliancolton 22:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
    • I'd support Julian's links, although this wiki is anything but a small room. —La Pianista  05:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Re2Juliancolton: I thought it was clear and that there was no need to explain it. Well, that link is related to the humyn knowledge because it's little good. Think to Physics and the theory of relativity, or to Quantum physics and the uncertainty principle. Also, think to Psychology, the mind and the function of a brain, the deep-sea animals, the universe and the infinite, gods and goddesses, diseases... it's an infinite list. We all really know nothing or just a little part of the whole. But, WikipediA can help with its infinite riches in a little room. I think it is good as it is, simply and to the point. Anyway, it's just my humble opinion. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I feel like i am quibbling over a minor point but why is there a capital A there? Was that in the original quote? Simplysouthisthisabuffet? 16:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
        • Re2Simply south: WikipediA??? in 1590??? I added it (and with the CAPITAL A). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
          • Question - I don't get it. I had assumed that it was a typo. What does the capital "A" mean? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

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