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Oriflame

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Pity that this article is listed for deletion. Gantuya eng (talk) 15:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Contributions on talk pages

Hi Gantuya, please never ever edit the contributions of other editors on talk pages. In a discussion, every editor will offer their opinion in the way they themselfes want to state it. If another editor goes and changes that, then they will put words in somebodys mouth that the person never intended to say. That's very bad style, just as it would be bad style in a real-life discussion. You don't like it if other people "correct" your opinions either, do you? Also, {{fact}} tags are meant for article pages, not for discussions. There is no requirement that an editor provide sources for every statement they make in a discussion. Because of all that, I'm going to restore the contribution by Bogomolov.PL on Talk:Ulan Bator to what he really wanted to say. --Latebird (talk) 06:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

g

Hi! g before a consonant does not have dots, does it? Regards, Yaan (talk) 13:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

That's right. That's why it shouldn't be "gh". As I understood (I may have misunderstood) from a discussion with User:Nanshu, "gh" is a "g" with 2 dots before a masculine vowel. Gantuya eng (talk) 05:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

My understanding is that 'gh' is just the g that comes with vowels like a. 'g' without 'h' is the g that comes with vowels like e. But these are just conventions anyway. I reverted your edit mainly because it turned a blue link red. Regards, Yaan (talk) 11:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

But it's impossible to pronounce that hard "g" with "h" (meaning g with 2 dots) before a consonant. It will require a hard (masculine) vowel like "a". Pls understand. Gantuya eng (talk) 12:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid I don't understand. If you can pronounce Hutagt, then you should also be able to pronounce Khutughtu - my understanding is that when the word contains vowels like 'a' (masculine vowels?), then you don't write 'g', you write 'gh' (or γ "gamma"). Whether the 'gh' has dots or not is a different question: If it is followed by a vowel, the 'gh' gets dots (lest it be mistaken for a 'kh' or 'q'), if it is followed by a consonant, it gets none (because there is no 'kh' before consonants). So you write khaghan and khutughtu, but köbsögöl and ligden (not so sure about the correct spelling of the latter in the traditional script, but you get the idea). Yaan (talk) 13:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I've looked up that discussion with User:Nanshu and seen I misunderstood what he explained. gh represents masculine forms of g and just g represents the feminine forms of g. It's not about the 2-dot form. Regards, Gantuya eng (talk) 14:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ulaanbaatar

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1696 Battle of Zuunmod(?)

Hi,

I am currently a bit confused about where that decisive battle in 1696 took place. I think the place is called Juun modu in a book I have, and it is said to be at the Tuul river and not too far from Ulaanbaatar. The first and the last bit seem to be consistent with a battle at what is now the center of Central Aimag, but the Tuul river thing is apparently not. Is Juun modu the same word as Zuunmod, and is this a case of several places having the same name, or a case where a place name migrated some dozen kilometres? Regards, Yaan (talk) 14:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Juun modu and Zuunmod are the same word. It's in the area of Terelj. There are many places with the same name. Gantuya eng (talk) 05:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I actually found a source stating the battle took place near what is now UB, and directly south of it, but just to be on the safe side I will still remove this stuff from the Zuunmod article. Yaan (talk) 11:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The battle place was near the site where the Terelj river joins the Tuul river. A site with a group of a few trees standing separately is called "Zuunmod" (hundred trees). There are many places with that name -- to the north, east, south of UB. I think I saw somewhere that text speculating the battle site to have been to the south of UB. The author seems to have assumed (erroneously) it's the same as town Zuunmod. Gantuya eng (talk) 03:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I guess it is very easy to make this confusion. My source was in German, so maybe you saw something else. In any case it did not go into any further detail, so it is probably not reliable enough. Yaan (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

1921/ far eastern republic

Hi, I wonder if troops of the far eastern republic played any role in the 1921 events. The topic that made me wonder is Timeline of Mongolian history. Regards, Yaan (talk) 21:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I remember the school map of history showing arrows under legend "the troops of the Far Eastern Republic" for the 1921 events. As I understand the Far Eastern Republic was indeed part of the the Soviet Russia, but was formed by Moscow in the conditions when Siberia was cut away by Kolchak. Gantuya eng (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sain baina uu!

Sain baina uu!

End zarim hesegt mongoliin tuuhtei hesegt guivsan esvel dutuu medeelel mash ih baina. Ene talaar yamar bodoltoi baina ve.

Hundetgesen,

--Enerelt (talk) 02:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Tiim zuil olon bgaa baih. Gehdee chuham ali ni gedgiig jishee bolgon helne uu? Gantuya eng (talk) 05:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Tuhailbal Mongol invasion of Java gedeg article oruultal neg gishuun iim ulgert bi itgehgui ged dairaad baisan. Tegehdee yahavee tsag hugatsaa yavsar bidnii gaihamshigt tuuhig humuus uneneer ni medeeg boloh baih. 3 jilin umnuh uyig bodvol end baiga article-uu d iluu saijirsan shu. Ta buheni achaar. --Enerelt (talk) 03:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Gantuyad

"Mongolian history" articliig unshij baigaad nereer chin haigaad orood irlee, bas discussion deer baigaa margaaniig sonirhoj unshiv, ih heregtei yum hiij baigaa hun baina, Mongoliin talaar zuv medeelel bichij umguulj baigaag haraad bayarlav baharhav tuuhee ih sain meddeg bololtoi. Bi gadaadad surdag oyutan zarimdaa humuus Mongoliin talaar iimee tiimeer yum yriad hujaatai holij hutgahaar yag belen helchih barimtgui bolood alba bolgood angli wiki deer orj irsiin. Za buun nurchihlaa Gantuya chi shu l gej heleh gesiin! :) -Tulgaa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.16.127 (talk) 08:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Bayarlalaa ! Gantuya eng (talk) 09:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Umard yuan gedeg nerig Үгэч Хашиха хэрэглэхээ больсон ч гэсэн түүний хаанчлал удаагүй. Аругтайд хорлогдсоны дараа алтан ургынханаас дахин өөр хүн болох Доголон Төмөрийн талыг баримтлагч Өлзий төмөр Буяншир гарч ирсэн. Иймээс Умард/Хойд Юан гэдэг нэрийг хэрэглэж явсан нь зөв байх гэж үзэж байна. Чамайг надтай байнга санал солилцож байгаасай гэж хүсч байна. Удахгүй болох наадмын баярын мэнд хүргэе, --Enerelt (talk) 03:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Bayarlalaa. Chamd ch bas udahqui boloh bayariin mend hurgye. Gantuya eng (talk) 08:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks

Thank you a lot for the roses. And happy Naadam. :) Yaan (talk) 12:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:) Gantuya eng (talk) 05:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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You uploaded this image in WikiPedia. Is it possible to precise the sum name where this imege was made. Thank you.Bogomolov.PL (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I have to look up the map to recall. I'll come back when I have time. Gantuya eng (talk) 03:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It is Tolbo soum, with the mosque. Gantuya eng (talk) 12:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, I will add this information to the image.Bogomolov.PL (talk) 15:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Could you provide me some information about mongol rule in northern Manchuria in 13-14th c. --Enerelt (talk) 06:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't. Sorry. Gantuya eng (talk) 10:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Mongolian language

Hi Gantuya! I've now done the changes and references you directly requested. As it was somewhat large, I placed the example for -jee in a footnote (footnote 8). I'd like to know if you consider the improvements sufficient. Moreover, in footnote 8 I've given a grammaticality judgement on two sentences from a Khorchin grammarian. Do you agree with what I've written about them from the vantage point of a Khalkha? G Purevdorj (talk) 22:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'll read it with pleasure when I have time and give you my impression :) (not being in a position to "check and criticise"). Gantuya eng (talk) 13:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Purevdorj,:)

I read your article as promised and have the following questions:

Do you want to restructure the following sentence so that it is easily understood?:

"While there is a standard pronunciation “based” on the Chakhar dialect of the Plain Blue Banner, the standard grammar and vocabulary is from a so-called “Inner Mongolian” dialect which is contrasted to the Oirat and Barghu-Buryat dialect and thus still comprises the Central and Eastern dialect groups of Mongolian, that is, there is no standard in Inner Mongolia besides a vague standard of pronunciation."

I can't recognise the sample words in the following sentence. Not everyone is familiar with this transcription system. Can the English be given to help recognise the sample words?

"While the split of ʧ into ʧ before *i and ʦ before all other vowels in Outer Mongolia and its lack in Inner Mongolia (eg Proto-Mongolic *ʧil, Khalkha , Chakhar vs. Proto-Mongolic ʧøhelen, Khalkha , Chakhar

Are examples available to support this statement? It's very interesting, but it's somewhat bare without examples.

"Neutral word order in clauses with pronominal subject changed from Object-Predicate-Subject to Subject-Object-Predicate"

Gantuya eng (talk) 07:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Shineer oruulsan zurag chin' sonin saihan baina aa. Chinii caraig harah bolomj baihgui n' jaahan haramsaltai, harin bi bas ooriin caraig puplic domain-d tavih durgui shuu. Ug n' dahin User page-tai bolson n' naidvartai shinj biz dee.

Bi anhdugaar oguulberiig heseglej heden oguulber bolgood daraagiin jisheend angli orchuulgiig ('year' (jil), 'few' (coohon)) oruulsan. Guravdugaar zuild bi jishee oguulber oruulj ogson. Haramsaltai n' bi nadad baigaa Nuuc tovchiin shine orchuulgiig olj diilsengui tul mongol helgui humuust zoriulsan har'cuulj boloh orchin cagiin oguulber oruulj chadsangui.

Footnote 8-d nileed chuhal berhsheelt zuil bichsen l baina. "Halh humuus "Bi tuuniig tanijee" geh metiig barag heldeggui" gesen yum. Ene n' unen uu? "Bi tuuniig tanijee" gedeg n' chamd zugeer sanagdaj baina eseh uu? G Purevdorj (talk) 09:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Neeree uuriinhuu zurgiig bolohoor suudertei zurag olj tavichihaad, ter huuhduudiin zurgiig bolohoor henees ch asuulqui tavisan baina. Shudarga bus l yum bolj. Gehdee ted zargaldahqui bailqui dee. Ihenh tohioldold harin ch bayarlah baih.

"Bi tuuniig tanijee" gedeg iim sonin butets bi anh PRC kinonoos l sonsood ih gaihaj baisan. Articliig chini unshih hurtlee tednii nutgiin ayalguu tiim baidag yum bolov uu, esvel ted mongol helneesee tegtlee hundiirson yum uu gej bodoj bailaa. Bas "Ta irsen yum uu?" gehiig "Ta irlee vaa?" gehiig sonsood ih gaihsan. Humuus ugsiin san ba avia zuin yalgaand ih tsochirdoj baih shig baidag. Harin nadad helzuin yalgaa iluu sodon baidag.

Gehdee Khalkhchuud ch bas "Bi chamd daschee" gehchlen yaridag. Gehdee uvurlugchdiinhoos uur tohioldold. Dassan gedgee genet uhaarsan gesen ug. Uuruu uurtuu neelt hiilee gesen ug. Зөв үү? Gantuya eng (talk) 10:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Zov. Ooroo sanamsargui yum hiij daraa n’ l medvel „-jee“-geer temdeglej bolno. Bi martjee, bi sogtjee geh met. „Bi modnoos unachihjee“ geh met husehguigeer hiisen uilend bas ingej helj boloh baih. Zarimdaa gaihah sanaa ch baij magadgui gej bi bodno. “Сүүлийн үед нэг хүн хоёр, гурван өмгөөлөгч авах нь бараг ердийн үзэгдэл болжээ.” Harin yarigch ene oorchloliig anhaarahgui baisan gesen sanaa bas tordog tul ene n’ ch tohioldol baij magadgui. Bi ene jil duussnii omno ene talaar joohon sudlahiim.

Bi yag Chahariin neg naiztai utsaar yarisan. Tuunii helsneer, bi tuuniig omno n’ tiim sain tanihgui baisan, harin ene muuhai uileer bur sain tanijee gej helj bolno gesen bolomj uzuulsen. Yer n’ chi bas ingej chadna biz dee?

“Ta irlee baa” gedeg n’ bas sonin baina. Ug n’ “baa” gedeg hyatad helnees zeelj avsan taamaglah sul ug Ovor mongold zun ayalguugaar barahgui haana ch hereglegdej baina. Chi odoo irlee baa, Chi ochigdor irlee baa gesen hoyor bolomj bur baina. Ordoschuud Chi ochigdor irlee yuu gej helj chadahgui. Harin Chi ochigdor irlee biz? gej asuuj bolno. Halhchuud ingej bolohgui. Tegeed baruun ovor mongoliin ayalguund –laa gedeg n’ bas magadlaliin baij utgiig ilerhiilj bolno, harin Halh ayalguund ganchuu “bi ooroo harsan, sonsson, unerlesen” gesen utgiig ilerhiilj bolno gej taamaglaj bolno. G Purevdorj (talk) 14:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Amarbayashulantu

Hi! I think writing Amarbayashulantu is a somewhat problematic because of the s followed by an h. Personally I am a big fan of using that 'scientific' transcription of traditional Mongolian that my books at home use, which would probably give Amarbayasqulantu (assuming the original letter looks like two 'a's, without dots?). See also Talk: Alan Γoa. In theory, one could also add Kiyid (sp?), lest someone thinks this is a küriye or a dugang. Best Regards, Yaan (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC) Amurbayasqulangtu G Purevdorj (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the tips. Corrected it in the article. Gantuya eng (talk) 01:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Why here you are using different transcription than used in the respective article and even official site of the monastery? Bogomolov.PL (talk) 05:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been aware of the context were it was used. I've now supplied the Mongolian script version to the original article, but in the article on Mongolian architecture, the temple features as a building that exists in contemporary Mongolia, so I would agree with Bogomolov that a transcription from Cyrillic (as is in the original article on the hiid) might be more appropriate here. G Purevdorj (talk) 09:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Mongolia July 2008

In my edits of the Colour revolutions article and my comments at the talk page I never suggest your edits were useless or wrong. But the form of these edits was not usual for the WikiPedia, so I was sure you will understand my intentions to make Mongolia 2008 chapter more encyclopedic. I guess you noticed that all my edits were strongly supported with news agencies reports so were not my POV.

I want to declare my respect to your job and invite you again to improve this chapter.

I'm so sorry if I was misunderstood.

Sincerely, Bogomolov.PL (talk) 12:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes I understood the forms of those edits were unusual for Misplaced Pages. That's why I removed the sentences concerning the embassies after thinking a little while about it.

Further I will avoid topics related to politics. Not because offended or angry but just because I realised I don't have enough knowledge in that area.

We had started cooperating at some other places and hope that kind of cooperation will develop further. Gantuya eng (talk) 13:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Politics is very,very delicate topic. In Wiki especially. Very often politically motivated edits wars are in Wiki. That is why I was afraid of this - especially as I understand the painful nature of this topic for locals, for everybody who loves Mongolia.Bogomolov.PL (talk) 14:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hohhot - eternal city?

Hi, maybe can you help out on Talk:Hohhot? The question is, basically, what is the best translation for Hohhot - "blue" or "eternal", "city" or "town". Best regards, Yaan (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I really don't know. 'Hot' is of course city/town. But does 'blue' imply 'eternal'--I'm not sure. 'Köke' means not only blue but also 'gray'. Maybe the construction material was gray? Maybe http://www.zanabazar.mn/Life/zanabazar.html tells something about it ? Gantuya eng (talk) 15:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Greeting

Hello! Excuse me, are you historian? Yaagad gevel bi urd ni tuuh sonirhdog emegtei huntei uchirch baigaagui yumaa. BTW, I've been to Vietnam. They are friendly people I think. --Enerelt (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thank your for your greeting :)

That's true, the Vietnamese people are very friendly :)

Түүх сонирхдог эмэгтэй хүнтэй учирч байгаагүй гэдэг чинь их сонирхолтой ажиглалт байна. Гэхдээ миний таньдаг эмэгтэйчүүдийн дотор түүх сонирхдог эмэгтэй байдаг. Бид нар даруухан учраас мэдлэгээ нэг их дэлгээд байдаггүй байх. Мэдлэг ч гэж дээ... Миний бичсэн юмыг уншихад мэргэжлийн биш гэдэг нь мэдэгдэхгүй байна гэж үү?

Гэхдээ түүх бол миний цорын ганц сонирхдог зүйл биш л дээ. Би англи википедия дээр урлаг, бурханы шашин, косметик, fashion, хэл, хөгжим; монгол википедия дээр үндэсний хоол, одон орон зэрэг сэдвээр хувь нэмэр оруулсан.

Анх орчуулга хийж байхдаа нэр томъёо хайж байгаад санамсаргүй википедия-тай танилцчихсан юм.

Өөрөө мэргэжлийн түүхч үү?  :) Cheers, Gantuya eng (talk) 16:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Миний хувьд би түүхч биш. Санхүүч хийдэг. Түүх бол миний агуу хобби. Би ном цуглуулдаг л даа, ихэвчлэн түүхийн ном. Миний хувьд Википедиаг анх мэргэжилтэйгээ холбоотой нэр томьёоны талаар хайж байгаад мэддэг болсон. Гэхдээ санхүүгийн тал дээр онолын хувьд 100% бүрэн биш ч ер нь энд байгаа юмнууд дажгүй санагддаг. Харин Монголтой холбоотой зарим зүйл дээр (esp. Ethnic groups, Mongol Empire, etc...) би санал нийлэхгүй юм багагүй гардаг. Чадахаараа л залруулга хийдэг. Тэгээд заримыг нь дийлдэггүй юм аа хэ хэ. Хэрвээ хүсвэл мэйл бичиж байгаарай (please remove my add. after you get it, THX). Би энд нэг түүх сонирхдог ази залуутай танилцсан. Түүний өөрийн мэдлэгээ хуваалцаж байгаа нь надад үргэлж урам хайрладаг. Тэр залуу хятад хэлтэй болохоор бидний өвөг дээдсийн тухай эртний хятадын эх сурвалж ашиглаж чаддаг. Хүндэтгэсэн, --Enerelt (talk) 02:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Үнэхээр гайхамшигтай хоббитой юм байна. Бид хоёр нэр томъёо хайж байгаад википедияг олсноороо адилхан юм байна. Үнэхээр монголын тухай ноцтой зүйл интернет дээр их байдаг. Хоёр жилийн өмнө China артикль дээр Монголыг Хятадын нэг хэсэг болгож үзүүлсэн газрын зураг байсныг арилгуулах гэж би 2 сарын турш үй түмэн хятад (гонг-Конг, тайвань), тэднийг дэмждэг барууныхантай тэмцсэн. Их хүнд байсан. Харин нэг австрали, хоёр монгол гишүүний тусламжтайгаар арайхийж бүтээсэн. Тэд нар туслаагүй бол би чадахгүй, доромжлуулсаар байгаад дуусах байсан. Тэр үе миний Вики амьдралын хамгийн хүнд үе байсан шиг санагддаг. Тэр газрын зураг англи википедия дээр хэрэглэгдэхээ больсон ч харамсалтай нь яг тэр артиклийн хятад хэл дээрх хувилбаруудaд байсаар байгаа. Бас commons-ын "хятадын атлас" гэгчид байсаар байдаг. Одоохондоо эх газрын хятадууд википедияд төдийлөн орохгүй байгаа юм шиг байна лээ. Тэд нар ордог болохоор аймаар юм болох байх. Би чамд е-мэйл бичнэ ээ. :):) Gantuya eng (talk) 03:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Good job. Congratulations! Хамгийн чухал нь чи чадсан байна шүү дээ.--Enerelt (talk) 02:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Translations?

• Please what are the Mongolian words for "dog" and "tiger" and "lion"? I have an old book that says that these words are "merzé" and "bars" and "arzlan"; are these correct? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

dog -- nohoi (нохой)

tiger -- bar(s) (бар(с))

lion -- arslan (арслан)

Gantuya eng (talk) 00:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC) :)

• Thankyou. Do you know of a Mongolian word anything like "merzé", and what does it mean?" I found it (and "bars" and "arzlan") in an old book that in passing described chess played in Mongolia around 1900 AD or earlier. That book claimed that "merzé" means "dog". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for giving the context.

It is called "bers". In Russian, it's "Ferzi" (perhaps originally a Persian word). I know sometimes it's called "dog" in the chess.

The names of the pieces in the chess in Mongolian are:

King - Noyon - Ноён - Lord

Queen - Bers/Nohoi - Бэрс/Нохой - Dog

Bishop - Temee - Тэмээ - Camel

Knight - Mori - Морь - Horse

Rook - Tereg - Тэрэг - Cart

Pawn - Huu - Хүү - Boy

The Persian word "Ferzi" doesn't mean "dog".

:We have an article of the names of the Days of week in every language. Now I think, it would be interesting to have a similar article for chess figures. Eg, the "rook" is "boat" in Russian, the "bishop" is "elephant" etc.

I see we have that kind of article for chess pieces. We can only add Mongolian into it. :) Gantuya eng (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC) :)

Sorry, I didn't realise "bars" and "arslan". These terms aren't found in the modern chess. The chess piece names in the traditional Mongolian chess were very different. :) Gantuya eng (talk) 08:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks. (I found that the word merzé means "dog" in the Soyot Turkic language). I have used this information in History of chess#East Asia.
• What do modern Mongolian chess pieces look like? Do they use the usual modern international shapes as at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/ChessSet.jpg , or the traditional shapes with (for example) the Тэмээ in the shape of a camel? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Nowadays they play the modern international chess. The rules may slightly differ. They rarely use clock, so they can think as long as they wish. Some craftspeople make the traditional chessmen. We may find the pictures on the Internet if we're lucky. Gantuya eng (talk) 11:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Found one image. http://www.iqmuseum.mn/files/items/chess_sets/1-1.jpg

I can't see on it the lion and tiger. It would be interesting if we could find one with the lion and tiger. Not a modern interpretation. Gantuya eng (talk) 12:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

• The lion and the tiger were other names for the Бэрс or Нохой piece, according to Murray's book (see refs to page History of chess). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Then it gets clear. :) Gantuya eng (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

May I add that the traditional chess figures are quite popular as souvenirs. Easily to find in markets or shops. Yaan (talk) 19:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Dayan Khaan Batu-Mongke

Сайн байна уу. Гантуяа, өөрөө Даян хааны нэрийг Даяарыг эзлэх болтугай гэж Даян хэмээн Манудхай болон түүний засгийн газар өргөмжилсөн гэжээ. Би үүнтэй 100% санал нийлдэг. Гэхдээ би нэг зүйлийг танидаг эрдэмтнээсээ мэдэж авсан юм. Надад "History of the Eastern Mongols During the Ming Dynasty from 1368-1634" гэж нэг ном өгсөн. Энэ нь Мин ши дээрх Зүүн монголчуудын тухай хэсгийн орчуулгууд. Даян хааны нэр Да Юань гэсэн утгатай учраас Минчүүд түүнийг Даян биш "Бяцхан хаан" гэж түүх бичлэгтээ бичсэн байдаг (Бүр хөгширсөн хойно нь ч шүү). Чи хятадын хаадын уламжлалт онолоор тэнгэрийн хөвгүүн нэг байдгийг мэднэ шүү дээ. Тийм учраас Юанийг зөвшөөрч чадахгүй байсан хэрэг. --Enerelt (talk) 02:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Мин ши дээрх Зүүн монголчуудын тухай хэсгийн орчуулгуудтай тийм ном байгаа бол их сонирхолтой ном байгаа байх даа. Мин ши-г орчин цагийн хятадууд ч уншаад ойлгоход хэцүү байдаг байх гэж боддог. Түүнийг англи руу орчуулсан ном байгаа бол сайн хэрэг байна. :) Gantuya eng (talk) 02:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Khalkhas as the successor of the Northern Yuan

Dear Gantuya, you can add it if you wish. The reason whi I added the Zunghars was the fact that the Oirats were a part of Northern Yuan. And he said that "The Empire is our ancestors' legacy. How can we surrendered to the Manchus who were our subjcets", claiming the Zungar Khanate was the continuation of Genghis's Dynasty according to Rene Grousset. --Enerelt (talk) 06:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, could you expand the article Khamag Mongol. --Enerelt (talk) 06:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Could you expand the section "Xianbei" of List of Mongolian monarchs. Because I couldn't find complete list of their rulers. But I guess they couldn't number more than 6(?) because the Xianbei fell into political chaos almost after Tanshikui's death. God bless, --Enerelt (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Сайн уу. Умард Юан гэдэг нэрнээс болж ийм их маргаан үүснэ гэж бодсонгүй шүү. :) --Enerelt (talk) 03:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Соц-мын үед энэ нэр томъёог хэрэглэдэггүй байсан нь учиртай юм шиг байна. "Умард Юань" династи гэхээр Монгол нь угаасаа хятадын нэгэн салан тусгаарласан хэсэг мэт харагдаад байна. Тэр нэргүй хэрэглэгч энийг л хэлээд эмзэглээд байгаа юм байна. Тэгээд ч энэ (Умард) Юань гэдэг нэр томъёkнд дулдуйдаж википедиягийн зарим артикльд бүр Юань улсаас хойших үеийн Монголын хаадыг "хядатын тэр гэгч император" мэтээр бичсэн байсныг зарим монгол хэрэглэгчид арилгаж байсан. Gantuya eng (talk) 03:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Харин тийм. Би Хубилайд Юань гэдэг нэрийг сонгосонд нь заримдаа харамсч явдаг. Уг нь түүнийг биширч хүндэлдэг л дээ. Эсэн тайшийн талаар Монгол эрдэмтэний ном уншихад Тогтохбухыг Их Юаний Богд хаан хэмээн өргөжмлөв гээд "" хаалтанд хийсэн байсан. Эхэн үедээ Юань гэдэг нэрийг хаад маань хэрэглэж байсан байх. --Enerelt (talk) 05:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Дөчин Дөрвөн ч бас зүгээр нэр юм шиг ээ. Монголын эх сурвалжуудад энэ нэр дайралддаг. Бас Чиний хэлсэнээр Лигдэнгийн Нурхайчид бичсэн захианд дурьдагддаг. --Enerelt (talk) 05:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Тийм. Тогтобухыг Тайсун хаан гээд байдаг. Ер нь хятад уламжлалын династийн император бол номын нэртэй (temple name), оны цолтой (era name), бас хөрөг нь зурагдсан байх ёстой гэсэн. Хэрэв эдгээр нь байхгүй бол түүнийг хятад уламжлалын династийн император гэж үзэхгүй байх. Gantuya eng (talk) 07:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

sangiin kherem

I hope it is better now. I found it a bit strange that the fort should have been built before 1756, but maybe that is just my ignorance. I also think it might be worth mentioning that Khovd was taken by force, also 'liberated' sounds a bit non-neutral. I could not really make anything out of "our corners of the world". Does it mean there are western/northern/eastern/southern walls, or does it mean there are western/northern/eastern/southern corners? I guess it's the former, but maybe you could look into it again. English seems to have a lot of different words for that water stuff, some other options (instead of ditch) might be trench or moat. I think fortress is still too strong, I will change it to "fort".

Btw. were the walls in Manchu times pure clay already? If you see pictures of the western parts of the Great Wall, they often do not look so different from your picture. But that is because people removed the outer brick cover as cheap building material. Yaan (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

There were western/northern/eastern/southern walls rather than corners.

"Сангийн хот нь дорно дахины уламжлалт хэрмэн бэхлэлтийн нэгэн адил дөрвөлжин хэлбэртэй, жан цохисон шавран хэрэмтэй" (http://origo.mn/24tsag/2008/05/18/12940). It claims the fort was quadratic as traditional Eastern fortification + this tricky word жан цохисон шавран describing the material. жан seems to be a Chinese word and жан цохих is perhaps some Chinese technology of processing clay to produce a construction material. From this we can derive, that the technology of the Khovd fort could be similar to the one of the Chinese Great Wall.

1756: when was Khovd sacked by the Manchu? Had the Oirats lost Khovd well before the collapse of the Jungarian Khanate? The fort wasn't built by the Oirats, it was built probably by Chinese brought by the Manchu. So it should have been built not earlier than 1757.

The Khovd river is located to the north-east of the current Khovd city location and north from Erdeneburen soum centre. I read somewhere that originally Galdan Boshoghtu Khan founded Khovd city in the valley of the Khovd river. Later, the Manchus moved the city to its current location, Buyant river valley.

Because Galdan built the city for military purpose, the original Khovd may also have had some kind of fortification. I don't know whether they really found the original location and did any exploration. ] (talk) 12:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Byambyn Rinchen

Sain uu Ganaa! Bi Rinchen guaigiin tuhai shine oguulel bichsen. Bi zavtai bol helelcuulegt minii ene talaar bichsen zuiliig neg uzne uu? G Purevdorj (talk) 11:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

References to supply

Hi Ganaa? Could you check the Russian link provided at Talk:Mongolian_language#References_to_suppply. I can't read Russian, so it would be great if you could tell me whether this might serve as a reference or not. No one seems to bother so far. G Purevdorj (talk) 11:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Link on List of tributaries of Imperial China

I changed the See Also link from Chinese imperialism to Imperial era of Chinese history because Chinese imperialism actually redirects to Imperial China. Well Imperial China is a disam page and we want to avoid links to them as much as possible. And besides that, the main link on the disam page goes to...Imperial era of Chinese history. :) That's a general history of Imperial China including information on the tributaries. If you want to change it back to Chinese imperialism, I understand. Just wanted to explain why I did what I did and where that link goes to if you didn't know. Thanks. --User:Woohookitty 11:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Uliastai fortress ruins

Сайн бна уу! You've made some contributions in the Uliastai article, so I want ask you about 47°44′51″N 96°52′24″E / 47.74750°N 96.87333°E / 47.74750; 96.87333 this place. I think it is the former fortress ruins place. We have the Sangiin Kherem article in Khovd city, but Uliastai fortress was even larger 1 km x 0.4 km (0.3 x 0.3 km in Khovd). May be the largest? Bogomolov.PL (talk) 20:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of "Mongolia under Tang rule"

Hi Ganaa! Hurry to Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Mongolia_during_Tang_rule#Mongolia_during_Tang_rule and write down your opinion. Iim muuhai novshiin oguuleliig ali hurdanaar ustgah heregtei shuu. Eniig uldeemeer hun hojij bolohgui!!! G Purevdorj (talk) 09:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)