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Art of Beauty

This article is not intended as a redirect or spam anymore than Sephora. Art of Beauty is an important corporation in the profesional beauty industry, creating many innovations and holding pattents, thus making in worthy of inclussion in Misplaced Pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoreyzis (talk • contribs) 22:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Morgan library

Thanks Liz, I'll try to get over there...Modernist (talk) 03:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Bulgarian Men's High School of Thessaloniki

Care to rub a pumice over this article? I know how you appreciate the Slavic culture. I really don't think the bold bits at the beginning ought to be linked. What do you think? Aramgar (talk) 03:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to check it out later today... The bold bits shouldn't be linked per WP:MOS (see second bullet) . In return, I'm sending you a link on the House of the Cryptoporticus: can you please give it a look, bearing in mind our conversation about Pompeian corpses? Kafka Liz (talk) 11:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Mumyalar. Can I touch them? Aramgar (talk) 11:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Long time no talk

How is all. Nice to see you around again. Ceoil (talk) 01:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought about you while eating a five-way today. Having had chili for lunch, perhaps I should have some cod for supper? ;) Lithoderm 23:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Would that there were someplace near the State House that I could get a three-way... My favourite when I'm in the region is Dixie Chili, but I usually wind up at Skyline... The closest one is somewhere north of Columbus. ;) Kafka Liz (talk) 23:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Heads up

Thanks for the heads up Liz...That'll be a busy day...Modernist (talk) 13:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

See, it not all just for nothing! Not likely to attract much vandelists, I expect. Ceoil (talk) 23:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

You obviously live in a far more medicated reality than me. Thats fine, I'm pragmatic. Ceoil (talk) 00:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes well, fair enough, I suppose I was chancing my arm there a small bit there. But, justforget everyting I said; <ahem> Liz, all will be just fine and great on main page day, Jimbo himself will likely pop by to pat you on the back, your auld school teachers too. Santy is non committal at present, but we are working on that, trying to find an offer he can't refuse.</ ahem> Ceoil (talk) 00:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

On a side issue, I think its about time Lucy stepped up. What do you reckon? Happy? Ceoil (talk) 00:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Well... I'd like a few more days with it. I think there are some sections that are still a bit confusing to the average reader. They are relatively clear to you, me and Ottava because we've all done a lot of reading, but some parts I don't think are quite clear enough. Also... are you proposing that we take it to FAC immediately, or GA, or another peer review? Just so I know where we're going with it. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

If needs more work on c-e thats ok, not my strong point to say the least, so I'll trust your judgement on that. I meant FAC at this stage...but maybe I'm rash! We all have a lot invested in the page, so I dont want to jump to gun, at all. Ceoil (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

(ec)Ah, don't be silly: you're an excellent content creator and copyeditor (certian spelling issues aside ;)). In any case, I'll try to step up the pace a bit. I do think it's very nearly there; it's just a couple of sections I think could be clearer. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, and if you'd like to get input from GA or 2nd PR, well I said the exact same to Ottava on sunday night. But by now I just want to find another page to worry about! I get very nervous pre FAC, and the suspence gets me. Ceoil (talk) 01:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflict and switching off the wise-ass) Fair enough. I think at this point the advice/comments we get at FAC will suffice. Give me until Saturday (at the latest - hopefully sooner!) to straighten a couple of things out, and we're good to go. Deal? Kafka Liz (talk) 01:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Deal. You drive a hard bargin. Ceoil (talk) 01:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, you don't know the half of it, mate. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Why worry

In my mind, the worst is that you will boiled in oil and reverted by idiot IPs for ever with the summary "ahh too soon for ever"; in other words, go on. Ceoil (talk) 01:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

But you have a lot of FAC experience (todays FA page?) so, just....best. Ceoil (talk) 01:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

No wait; if you want to c/e further; then wait. No way would I want you to nom something you think could be better. Ceoil (talk) 01:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

If you are saying you want to go for a 2nd PR, thats fine. Lets do that so, this is very much your article so, yep. Do you want me to lead or would you prefer to take over? Either is grand with me, and I suspect with Ottova. Liz, you are free here, but we will be watching your back so dont worry too much. Ceoil (talk) 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

No, wait until you are happy. Dont rush until you are comfortable, and however time that takes, thats the time it takes. End of story. Ceoil (talk) 02:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Litho

It happens more often than you'd think, Lith is a student and so probably walked away from a public computer either forgetting to log off, or his password was cached. No big deal really. Ceoil (talk) 01:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I know. I just hoped he wasn't taking some extreme action to force himself back to his studies. Wikibreak enforced by block, as it were. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I hope he is ok, and contacts us...its worrisome...Modernist (talk) 01:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I know he has a couple of proxy accounts, but I thought I'd drop him a line just to be on the safe side. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Good move. But, even, so what if it was a 'wikicide' to get back to studies, it would be understandable, and an editor with his ability could ride that easily. There would be more than enough would want him back. Its a wait and see I suppose. Ceoil (talk) 01:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I can see that. I guess I just wanted to show some support, even supposing he did choose this path deliberately. Being blocked feels pretty shitty, in my experience, and it's good to know you have have friends standing by. Kafka Liz (talk) 02:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yep, friends needed in these situations for sure. Been there done that, a few times, and it is crummy alright. Ceoil (talk) 02:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Lucy

With my recent check, it seems that everything is ready to go. I would look back at the MoS to see if the individual subsection notes about wikisource are appropriate. I have a feeling that they belong at the bottom. There is also a problem with having a main link to the two two poems and then a wikisource note. I can go on wikisource and create a centry "Lucy poems" page that links to each so there is one note at the bottom. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I did just that. I think it is ready for FAC. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

(ec)Yes, I think it's ready too. There are a couple of citation tags that need attention - I'm not sure whether you or Ceoil (or someone else entirely) added these lines, but it would be great if one of you could check up on them. I don't know what the MoS protocol for wikisource materials is off the top of my head, but the idea of creating a central entry at Commons is excellent.

Also, I meant to thank you for having my back at FAC. I got sidetracked before I could respond, and it skipped my mind entirely. I really do appreciate your help. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

And thank you for fixing up the Commons links! Kafka Liz (talk) 00:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Which citation tags need help? I removed the entry that had the "fact" template. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

It's the Frank Parson quote in the Critical Assessment section. I see the source listed in the Bibliography, but I don't have a page number for the quote, and I don't have easy access to this particular publication. Also, it's not crucial, but who is Frank Parson? I couldn't find any information on him. Thanks, Kafka Liz (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Sivas icin

Biraz once yanimda oturan bir ingiliz wikipedia dan bu yaziyi okudu sirf bu nedenle uye oldum ve o kismi cikrtmak istedim.Sivasi tantan bir yaziya o parcayi neden koymek istoyorsunuz gercekten anlamiyorum. herkesin bilemsi gereken bir olay oldugunu dusunmuyorum en azindan yabancilar bilmesi bize hic bir kazandirmayacaktir. Bu kisim inan onlar icin hic bir anlam ifade etmiyor fikrinizi sunmak istiyorsaniz ozel bir topic olusturun ve oraya yazin lutfen Bu yaptiginiz Sivas' a zarar verecek nitelikte bir yazidir rica ediyorum boyle biligiler sunmayalim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Namir58 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Merhaba Namir58. Çok az Türkçe biliyorum -- I know only a little Turkish, and I do not understand very much of what you have written here -- I am sorry. Can you explain to me in English? On the English wikipedia, we do not usually remove large sections from articles. If we do, then we explain our reasons to the other editors. Kafka Liz (talk) 18:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

for Sivas

Dear Kafka, First, i am really sorry i thought you are from Turkey even Sivas. what i really wanted to say was that your information about Sivas is generally so good and successful but I can not say rhe same thing for the paragraph which starts with modern. This section does not help neither Sivas nor Turkey. The information may be true but every truth cant be said everywhere. If you want to do something for Sivas please remove this part. Why I deleted the paragraph,because an English student was searching something about Sivas just near me. He saw the definition which i mentioned above and suddenly his face changed. of corse I asked him what happened, he said he would like to go to Sivas for a research project about the balikli cermik but he has decided to stay at the Uk and study from here. I hope you ll now understand me better. I will be around here and if there is something to do for Sivas or Turkey it is a pleasure to contribute to your works. Thanks anyway.. By the way i used mymobile phone to write this response without looking at what i have written so that any questions or misunderstood point please just let me know bye... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Namir58 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Merhaba, Namir58. I am sorry to take so long to reply to you. I don't know if you are still around. I spent a week in Sivas in 2007, and it is one of my favourite cities in Turkey. Somewhere I have pictures of the beautiful Seljuk architecture there; I will try to upload them and add them to the article. This English student was making a mistake when he (or she) decided not to visit, and I am very sorry to hear about this. I do understand why you wanted to remove the information about the Sivas Madımak Olayı - but I still think that the article needs to have this information. It was a very tragic event, but it is also historically important, and I think it is better to write the truth and acknowledge it than to remain silent. I think that a similar example can be found in our article on Birmingham, Alabama, which talks about the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing. This was an event in the 1960s when a Black/African American church was bombed, and four young girls were killed.

Perhaps we can work together to write more about the history, people, and architecture of Sivas so that the Madımak tragedy does not dominate the "Modern" section so much? It is an important event, but it is not the most important thing about this beautiful city, and people from outside Turkey should know this. Please let me know what you think. İyi akşamlar, Kafka Liz (talk) 00:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse

Mattisse has some concerns about the language of the Lucy article. I think you should discuss with them directly on how to clean up some of the language that they are having problems with. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Rest

Sounds like a plan. Just forget about it for a day or two or three, its just not worth getting upset or stressed about. Maybe people will calm down. Ceoil (talk) 01:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

My experience there is its a painful drawn out process. Its a good idea to stay on the case but stay calm, overall think positively and periodically forget about it....and do some other things..Modernist (talk) 01:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Modernist. That was pretty much what I was thinking, but after all the work we've put in, it can be hard to disengage. Also, I didn't want Ceoil and Ottava to think that I was running out on them when things got tough. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you are gonna be involved there for a long time to come...and you have all done a lot of good work, probably a light will appear down the road apiece...Modernist (talk) 01:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you again... I really do appreciate your support. Friendly words go a long way. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 01:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Go to the Lucy FAC page a click 'what links here'. We've been nuked, and not one reviewer read past the lead (all admitted this). I think we have responded to near all suggestions and prefernces; oh well. Ceoil (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Its not trancluded to Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates anymore! ;( Hope you had a good enough night off anyway. Ceoil (talk) 23:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

How to proceed? I'm not too sure; it seems sudden and bizzar; there were no significant outstanding suggestions left on the page. Dunno, dissapointing. Ceoil (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It was a pile on. Similar often happens at RFA; if the first object is heavy, well your pretty sunk. Still, I think we have a pretty good article that we can be proud of. Ceoil (talk) 23:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Tough break, you did a fine job, be proud..and you both didn't deserve the pile on...and bad faith...Modernist (talk) 23:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I feared as much when I saw that first oppose. I think there may have been some other factors at work as well, but... so it goes. Thank you, guys.... I do think it's still a pretty decent article, even if it isn't an FA. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Just restart it and if anyone bothers to oppose in that way take them directly to ANI. There were over 10 people that stated that Fowler's oppose was incivil. The two following opposes had no real oppose basis either. So, point violations all the way around. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)