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== <s>Lies<s> Manipulation and Censorship == == <s>Lies<s> Manipulation and Censorship ==
Unlike some of you who seem to be on the job right here, I just got back from REAL work and never had the chance to defend myself. The accusation by THF that I am 206109195126 (the one THF says was Blocked: I was never blocked) above is just one of many falsehoods and I'd like a checkuser used to show up that accusation as a lie. This encyclopedia has been hijacked by control freaks, that's for sure, even this talk page discussion was removed. ] (]) 02:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC) Unlike some of you who seem to be on the job right here, I just got back from REAL work and never had the chance to defend myself. The accusation by THF that I am 206109195126 (the one THF says was Blocked: I was never blocked) above is just one of many falsehoods and I'd like a checkuser used to show up that accusation as a lie. Some articles within this encyclopedia have been hijacked by pov pushers and/or control freaks, that's for sure, even this talk page discussion was removed. ] (]) 02:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


:If you'll check out the AN/I page, you'll see that a dozen admins agreed that your edits warranted your banning from this project. I don't think any of them referenced anything other than the detrimental quality of your edits. ] (]) 02:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC) :If you'll check out the AN/I page, you'll see that a dozen admins agreed that your edits warranted your banning from this project. I don't think any of them referenced anything other than the detrimental quality of your edits. ] (]) 02:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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I resign. No hard feelings with anyone, from my end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbarocks (talkcontribs)

It's bad form to "resign" to avoid sanction for bad behavior, and then go back to messing up articles and being disruptive. THF (talk) 15:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Since he's back and editing within the same set of articles, I think we need to resume the sanction process. Rklawton (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, let's clarify: have you resigned, Abbarocks, or haven't you? Your contributions since returning have been two mainspace edits that were unsourced and redundant with language already in the article, and a trolling comment on a talk-page, so you certainly haven't given any signs of improving the behavior that was about to get you banned. THF (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I hope you both will see a marked improvement in my tone and although it may be hard given the past encounters, if you could AGF I think you'll find I have a lot to contribute to these articles. I plan to expand my editing into areas where you likely won't be involved but I felt compelled to try to get the new editor from being discouraged and pushed away from the Skull and Bones article by THF's somewhat,imo, unfriendly edit toward that new (to the article) Edotior. Abbarocks (talk) 15:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
The editor wasn't new to the article, and had already been blocked once for disruption. THF (talk) 15:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


Proposed ban

I have proposed banning you from editing Misplaced Pages here: AN/I. You may take up the discussion there if you wish. Rklawton (talk) 17:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Lies Manipulation and Censorship

Unlike some of you who seem to be on the job right here, I just got back from REAL work and never had the chance to defend myself. The accusation by THF that I am 206109195126 (the one THF says was Blocked: I was never blocked) above is just one of many falsehoods and I'd like a checkuser used to show up that accusation as a lie. Some articles within this encyclopedia have been hijacked by pov pushers and/or control freaks, that's for sure, even this talk page discussion was removed. Abbarocks (talk) 02:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

If you'll check out the AN/I page, you'll see that a dozen admins agreed that your edits warranted your banning from this project. I don't think any of them referenced anything other than the detrimental quality of your edits. Rklawton (talk) 02:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
It's likely some if not all of them were diligent enough to have seen THF's accusation above and accepted it as being true and whether they mentioned it or not it likely influenced them. It's like if evidence in a trial is false, like the fingerprints for example, and the Jurors are asked after why they found the person guilty and none mention the false fingerprint identification, you really don't know how it would have been if the false evidence had not been submitted as if it were 100% factual. Abbarocks (talk) 02:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Correction, fourteen administrators - counting the one who closed the issue. And most of them referenced reviewing your edits. None of them referenced THF (except, I presume, THF). Rklawton (talk) 02:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
8 administrators, not 14 among 15.--Caspian blue 03:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Rklawton, you're being trolled. Any administrator who read the above exchange would have had the reading comprehension to recognize that I was referring to the "new" editor who Abbarocks accused me of being "unfriendly" to. And I'm sure Abbarocks has the same reading comprehension and is just playing dumb now to waste more people's time. And if he doesn't have that level of reading comprehension, then we're definitely not losing anything by banning him.
Abba, your edits were indefensible, and I warned you about that repeatedly, and instead you took Ikip's advice and picked fights. This is the consequence. THF (talk) 02:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
The "new editor" was Sicluceatlux , your reference to a block was for an anon-206109195126. Are those 2 the same person? How would you know? Do you have access to the Checkuser tool? Also, since Rklawton read your ambiguous comment the same way I did, it's likely some of those admins did too. Abbarocks (talk) 02:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
He said it was the same person. THF (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Where did he say that? Abbarocks (talk) 03:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
On the only talk-page either account has ever edited. I sat through it all, and you can, too, if you don't believe me for some reason. THF (talk) 03:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Sicluceatlux's first edit was yesterday. Why do you assume he is that anon? Abbarocks (talk) 03:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Please stop trolling. I answered that same question at 03:05. THF (talk) 03:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
This shows that the anon edited lots of other articles and talk pages? Why are you saying he only edited the 1 article? And why are you deflecting my question as to how youn know they are the same person? I don't see where Sicluceatlux, who just started yesterday, told everyone that he used to be that anon. Abbarocks (talk) 03:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
This is tedious and irrelevant; I'm not going to read the talk page to you. If an editor who isn't banned wants to ask questions of me, please raise them on my talk page. I'm taking this troll farm off of my watchlist. THF (talk) 03:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
ok, I think I found it on March 12th. It does look as if your synthesis :) is correct, although he doesn't actually say that. Abbarocks (talk) 03:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I didn't read them - at all. Rklawton (talk) 03:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I can see upon rereading THF's edit that he did not accuse me of being the one who was blocked at least. Abbarocks (talk) 03:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Manipulation

Any Editor with the reading comprehension that THF has would know that I likely did not know that Sicluceatlux was not a new User and thus my reaction to THF's aggressive edit towards him was justified.

I've been Banned but NEVER blocked

And in a Kangaroo Court and rushed (less than 7 hours) type of forum. And the nomination against me was made by someone I had so-called "edit wars" with.

Is this reasonable in an open and welcoming encyclopedia? Has it ever happened before outside of vandalism? Do I have any appeal avenues? Abbarocks (talk) 14:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

And did you have editing issues with all the other folks who supported your banning? And yes, this is perfectly reasonable. And yes, this has happened before. And yes, there are appeal avenues. Do you ever take the time to read the links given to you or follow our procedures? Rklawton (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
It's particularly disturbing and bizarre, I think, and goes far beyond my individual case, that you were able to so quickly attract so many Editors who supported a community ban on ANYONE who has never been even accused of vandalism and who has never been blocked. I'll agree with you about that. Abbarocks (talk) 14:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to appeal to ArbCom

Ok, I found it here. Would one of you be kind enough to alert the Arbitration Clerk? Abbarocks (talk) 14:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Rklawtontalk, would you please alert the Arbitration Clerk to this request on this talk page? Abbarocks (talk) 14:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Use e-mail. Rklawton (talk) 14:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not signed up for email here and prefer not to be for spam avoidance reasons, are you refusing to help me in this regard? Abbarocks (talk) 14:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I mean, after the nastiness and threats you,Collect and THF have shown me here, I hate to think what kind of emails you might send me. Abbarocks (talk) 14:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
So you didn't read the directions, did you? Rklawton (talk) 14:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I guess you are continuing to assume that I am as well acquainted with the rules and directions as you are, but I am not. Are you saying I can somehow get the appeal in by myself in a way other than by email? If so, please provide a specific link rather than making more and more fun of me. Abbarocks (talk) 14:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand. Rklawton (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll sign up for email if that's the only way. Abbarocks (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
You don't have to sign up for e-mail to send an e-mail. Just use the e-mail address provided. Rklawton (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I did try to send but it said I was not signed up so I have signed up and sent it. Abbarocks (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Read it again. Rklawton (talk) 15:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I did, please advise what specific sentence(s) I should read again? Abbarocks (talk) 20:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
This one: "Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval."

Appeal emails sent

ok: as per the Appeals Process info, I've sent the appropriate emails to an Arbitration Clerk, the Foundation, and Jimbo Wales (the 3 avenues mentioned in the process link). I can't think of anything else I can do about this. Abbarocks (talk) 15:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration

I hereby request that my permanent ban be appealed to ArbCom in accordance with the appeal process and that I be unblocked for the sole purpose of dealing with the appeal. Abbarocks (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Attorney in opposition to me creates need for me to have support in this process if possible

THF says he is an attorney on his User page and he has also said (self-outed) that he writes articles for, and is a "fellow" of, the American Enterprise Institute, which is certainly a high profile organization of accomplished people. THF is, imo, the primary cause of this banning and I expect he will be active in this appeal process, so I am requesting any kind of comparable support that might be available from ArbCom to help level the playing field so to speak; some type of paralegal help for me if its available. I will try to muddle through if necessary but I have already discovered that THF is a Wordsmith by profession and much more so than I can hope to be. Abbarocks (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

The first ANI discussion which Abbarocks preempted with his bogus "resignation" is here. The ANI thread which resulted in Abbarocks' community band can be found here. I proposed the ban. THF voted in favor, and so did over a dozen others. There was no opposition, and another editor snowballed it. As far as I can tell, most of the editors supporting the ban have had no prior interaction with Abbarocks. Discussion was minimal. I simply directed people to Abbarocks' contribution history and to a summary page authored by THF (). I believe Abbarocks' contributions speak for themselves, so I shall leave it at that, though I'm available to answer questions should the need arise. Rklawton (talk) 21:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

COMMENT:Proxy is the right term for this, is it not? Abbarocks (talk) 02:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you are mistaken. The discussion was archived less than 7 hours after it was put up and although it was put up by you, you referred to THF for most of the so-called "evidence": You said in your nomination "Administrators prefering a brief overview may find one here: User:THF/Abbarocks...." I also urge anyone interested to thoroughly review my edits, their attempt at adding RS content and their consistently friendly tone for the most part. Many of the edits made criticizing my edits have been insulting,threatening blocks and bans, positioning me as the other (as opposed to being part of the group) and full of Assuming Bad Faith about my intent, imo.Abbarocks (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I was referring to the ANI archives. A bot archives two-day old ANI discussions. This one hasn't been archived yet. When it is archived by the bot, I'll change the link so ArbCom will know where to find it. Rklawton (talk) 21:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I see here, where you're suggesting to THF: "Feel free to block him (me) from editing his talk page." Is THF an admin. now or does he have an admin. at his service? Abbarocks (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)