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A Nobody is busy in real life and may not respond swiftly to queries.

Welcome to my talk page! Please be sure to make all posts civil and constructive, as I will ignore or revert anything I deem to be bad faith, dishonest, or vandalism. Also, let us try to keep two-way conversations readable. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there. I may refactor discussions to your talk page for the same reason. Also, please do not refer to me here or elsewhere by my previous username as I changed names due to real-world off-wiki harassment that remains a concern. Due to the issues that caused my name change and other matters (such as the demands of college!) I may be slow in responding to messages and I may even stop editing for long stretches of time. Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


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I am not sure what was on the previous version of the article, but the following out of universe information can be added from "Resistance 2: Getting To Know Nathan Hale," PlayStation The Official Magazine 13 (November 2008): 62: the character is voiced by David Kaye. PTOM states that "The Resistance 2 story is all about Nathan Hale and his role in this great conflict." Ted Price, one of the game developers, adds, "Internally we wanted to know more about Hale, and focusing on him provided the opportunity to answer questions about him." Thus, I encourage someone to restore the article and add this information in a manner such as this:

Nathan Hale is the protagonist of the Playstation 3 games Resistance: Fall of Man and its sequel Resistance 2. He is voiced by David Kaye.

Development

Ted Price, one of the game developers, adds, "Internally we wanted to know more about Hale, and focusing on him provided the opportunity to answer questions about him."

Biography

Hale killed practically every chimera in England and then went to America to win again.

Reception

PTOM states that "The Resistance 2 story is all about Nathan Hale and his role in this great conflict." Playstation Universe lists Hale among the top five Playstation 3 characters thus far.

References

  1. "Resistance 2: Getting To Know Nathan Hale," PlayStation The Official Magazine 13 (November 2008): 62.
  2. "Resistance 2: Getting To Know Nathan Hale," PlayStation The Official Magazine 13 (November 2008): 62.
  3. "Resistance 2: Getting To Know Nathan Hale," PlayStation The Official Magazine 13 (November 2008): 62.
  4. Dave Wales, "Top five PlayStation 3 characters thus far," Playstation Universe (March 16th, 2008): http://www.psu.com/Top-five-PlayStation-3-characters-thus-far--a0003095-p0.php

Restoration

Nathaniel is a character in Jonathan Stroud's Bartimaeus Trilogy. Nathaniel is one of the main characters of this series. After coming of age as a magician when he was 12 years old, he was granted the new name of John Mandrake, and is known by this name to everyone but the title character, Bartimaeus and in the later part of Ptolemy's Gate to Kitty.

Attributes

Appearance

In The Amulet of Samarkand he is described as being small and scrawny with dark hair. His hair, as he increases in rank, becomes increasingly long, but during the gap between The Golem's Eye and Ptolemy's Gate he has opted for a crew cut in (politically advantageous) tribute to the soldiers fighting in America. He is further described as attractive, with "the scent of power around him" and of medium height and slender build, his forehead prematurely lined (Ptolemy's Gate, U.S. Edition, pg. 21).

Personality

Nathaniel is, at first, a small, shy boy uncomfortable with anyone who is not Mrs. Underwood or Ms. Lutyens. He is very nervous and scared by Bartimaeus when he first summons the demon. As the books progress, and he becomes more and more proficient, he also becomes more confident, and possibly overconfident. He works fervently when motivated, as is shown when he furthers his education with incredible speed in The Amulet of Samarkand. Throughout the books he also shows signs of ambition to rise through the ranks of the government, a common goal among magicians. Bartimaeus compares him more than once to Simon Lovelace, as they share a similar mindset, and habitual tics, such as stroking back their hair.

Role in books

The Amulet of Samarkand

In The Amulet of Samarkand, Nathaniel starts off as a young boy who, at the age of five, had been given up by his parents to apprenticeship under a mediocre Whitehall magician named Arthur Underwood, the assistant minister of Internal Affairs. Underwood begins teaching the boy in magic, but Nathaniel, being inquisitive, decides to advance his education to higher levels without the knowledge of his tutor.

However, at the age of eleven, in his master's house, Nathaniel is publicly humiliated by a greedy and ambitious young magician named Simon Lovelace. In a fit of juvenile fury, Nathaniel hatches a plan for vengeance. He sets several mites (a weak kind of imp) on Lovelace, but Lovelace is powerful and stops the mites, then proceeds to beat Nathaniel as punishment.

Later, after much research and preparation, Nathaniel summons Bartimaeus, a 5,000-year-old djinni, to exact his revenge on Lovelace. Mrs. Underwood - Nathaniel's master's wife - inadvertently reveals Nathaniel's true name to Bartimaeus. This vastly limits Nathaniel's control over the djinni, because spells can be cast on people when their true name is known (hence the practice of assigning names).

In the end, Nathaniel earns the respect of the majority of the other magicians including Rupert Devereaux, the Prime Minister. He is accepted as a magician in the government.

The Golem's Eye

Nathaniel summons Bartimaeus again, facing off against the Resistance and sinister magicians.

The second book picks up almost three years later and features Nathaniel as a junior magician working his way up the government ranks. He is described as one of the governments' rising young stars. In this book, Kitty Jones is introduced as an important character. She is a part of the Resistance movement, which seeks to end the oppressive rule of the magicians. Nathaniel is tasked by his superiors to crush the Resistance movement and capture the members. His task is complicated when a seemingly invulnerable clay golem starts to make random attacks on London. Much to the displeasure of Bartimaeus, Nathaniel recalls the djinni to aid him in uncovering the origins of the golem, and to save his own skin.

During the course of the book Nathaniel is almost fired from his post and executed for treason. By the end of the book however he has come back to favor when Duvall's conspiracy comes to light.

Ptolemy's Gate

In Ptolemy's Gate, Nathaniel has risen to the ruling Council and is arguably the most powerful magician in the government. He stands against a force of hybrid magicians with spirits trapped inside them, led by Nouda. Romantic feelings are hinted at in the book at various points between Kitty and himself. Nathaniel summons Bartimaeus into his body to help fight the Hybrids with Gladstone's staff, and destroys most of them, leaving only Nouda alive. However, during this fight, Nathaniel is seriously injured and he loses strength quickly, even with Bartimaeus' assistance. When Nathaniel and Bartimaeus confront Nouda, Nathaniel dismisses Bartimaeus which saves Baritmaeus just prior to the staff being destroyed killing both Nouda and Nathaniel. Bartimaeus returned to the Other Place, but is known to have survived; according to his "journal", he was summoned by a female magician with a stutter afterwards. Kitty, in the end, goes visit her old friend Jakob before she begins to travel around the world in a new life.

Trivia

  • Nathaniel's chosen magician name, John Mandrake, may be a reference to the popular comic strip and real life magician, Mandrake the Magician
  • Nathaniel's birthday is on November 26, as confirmed by the author.

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Smiles, everyone! Smiles!

I thank you for the smiley face in the nice blue box. That was a pleasant surprise and is much appreciated. Salut! Dr.Who (talk) 07:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome! Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The General Barnstar for General Good Work

The Original Barnstar
I award fellow Wikipedian A Nobody this barnstar for his thorough work in improving Misplaced Pages and in keeping it what it was always meant to be. Congratulations! Drboisclair (talk) 16:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks!  :) Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Explanation required

Hello, Can you explain why you added the rescue template to the Character Deaths article that was venturing towards a WP:SNOW delete, without commenting at the AFD? --DFS454 (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Because it could and should have been rescued. Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm aware this conversation is slightly moot but if you felt that strongly about it then why didn't you participate in the discussion? -DFS454 (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I keep an off wiki file on which I compose my AfD messages and I work on them for a few days sometimes before posting in the actual discussions (I like to do thorough research before commenting in the discussions as I cannot stand the drive by copy and paste "per nom" votes those discussions typically get). In that case, it struck me as a rescuable topic, so I tagged it as such, but did not finish my own research that I hoped to present in the discussion prior to its closing. Plus, my focus around the time was on real life school related matters. You will notice from around the 10th or so through around the 17th I did not edit at all. This has been a busy month school wise, which of course has to take precedent. By the way, as a general suggestion, if you have questions, I encourage you to say, "Request for explanation" or "Quick question" or "Please explain" as "Explanation required" to be honest comes off a bit aggressive as Misplaced Pages is a volunteer site and as such there is little anyone is "required" to do. Others might react incredibly defensively if not feel insulted seeing such a headline, so please keep that in mind should you wish to ask anyone anything in the future. Cheers! --A Nobody 16:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.

I'd like to that you for your review on me! :) I really appreciate it. Papercutbiology♫ (talk) 12:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome! Best, --A Nobody 01:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for welcoming me to wikipedia. I'm still learning how to do this, and mainly correcting small errors and adding references randomly. Nacho Insular (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC).

DYK for Moon of Pejeng

Updated DYK query On March 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Moon of Pejeng, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 10:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks for the update! Sincerely, --A Nobody 04:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Removal of rescue tag

You stated in a recent edit summary that: "removing a rescue template is akin to removing the AfD template". This is completely untrue and not supported by any policy or guideline. In fact, another user argued that same point (that removal of the tag was vandalism, giving him the right to reverse more than 3 times) and was handed a 24 hour block.--Sloane (talk) 01:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It is supported by common courtesy and common sense. His block was given by someone who also argued to delete the article. Sincerely, --A Nobody 03:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Sir, I wanted to sincerely thank you for your help with The Motley Moose and the overzealous "Speedy" deleter. Certainly, that AfD is already contentious enough, we don't need that on top of it. Grazi. Ks64q2 (talk) 04:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome and yes, I agree that we are supposed to be approaching these discussions through civil and mature discussions and hopefully that will be the end result. It is crucial to no matter how aggresive anyone else is, to keep cool and maintain courtesy nonetheless. Good luck! Sincerely, --A Nobody 04:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you can help me more, sir. I posted this to "Benjiboi's" attention as well, but since I don't know the proper hierarchy around here, I wanted to ask your opinion. I noticed your voice of support on the AfD page, which I appreciate. But it seems now things are getting out of hand. That same user, "Sloane", has now joined several others in pouring through other pages I've done, as well as of user "PeterJukes", and I noticed they also went through and completely trashed the main page of The Motley Moose, obstensibly to make it "better" though they removed several of the citations even some of the deletion-voting people found notable. This is getting completely out of hand. It seems to have escape any semblance of people working for the better of Misplaced Pages, and it's getting hard for me to stay cool. I created and saved this page, or tried to, in it's first incarnation through my work at WP:BLOG, and I just don't have any clue why there are so many people bound and determined to see it gone, when I've got a backlog of 200+ blog articles I never saw them help us get worked through. For Christ's sake, the entire WP:BLOG backlog could have been done with the amount of time and energy spent on this project- but I asked some of the people to actually contribute, but they declined; apparently, they'd rather than spending hours doing all this crap editing and petty BS If you know a way to get ahold of an admin to perhaps figure out a way to mediate all of this, I don't know. Certainly, there's a better way than this. Any suggestions you can give me on this would be great. Thanks. Ks64q2 (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, always maintain civility in these kinds of disputes and do your best to add reliable sources to the articles in question. I usually go through the rescue templated articles and add sources and fix grammar when I can. Anyway, hang in there!  :) Best, --A Nobody 18:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Saint Patrick's Day

Happy Saint Patrick's Day, too! --Efe (talk) 15:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you too! Best wishes. Acalamari 15:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome! Sincerely, --A Nobody 16:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
A very happy St. Patrick's to you too, hope you're having a good one! :) — neuro 16:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay so far. :) Best, --A Nobody 16:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! :) I hope your having a great St.Patrick's too, because it's such a pretty day today...and I hope the weather is nice where you're at too! Papercutbiology♫ (talk) 16:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not too bad. Best, --A Nobody 16:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, you too! KnightLago (talk) 17:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome! Best, --A Nobody 18:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I get very few stars, awards, cookies, etc. and it was appreciated. --Boston (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I am happy to that it made you feel appreciated!  :) Best, --A Nobody 18:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and happy St. Patrick's day to you too.Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Very happy now. Itsmejudith (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, so many people have already said thanks - but thank you anyway and Happy St. Patrick's Day to you! :) The Helpful One 18:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome! Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and the same to you. :-) FloNight♥♥♥ 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

To borrow a line from St. Patrick: Go raimh maith agat! Bail ó Dhia ort! Pastor Theo (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Nice! :) Best, --A Nobody 18:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the message. :)--Caspian blue 23:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome! Sincerley, --A Nobody 18:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks from me too. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 03:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  "  --  Chzz  ►  08:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome! Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Opt-out

If you don't mind, can I opt out of these? Thanks. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing, I will make a mental note (with apologies if I forget as I send these manually and not by bot, so if I forget and I will try not forget when the next holiday rolls around, please forgive). With that, I hope you had an enjoyable Saint Patrick's Day nonetheless!  :) Best, --A Nobody 16:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

saint patricks day!

AgentSpy101 (talk) has given you a bubble tea! Bubble teas promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a bubble tea, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy drinking!

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Cool, thanks!  :) Sincerely, --A Nobody 16:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks !

Spinach Monster (talk) 01:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey are you an admin? If not, i'd be happy to nominate you in a week or two. Spinach Monster (talk) 01:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you for the offer; however, I think of myself more as an editor than an administrator and do not have any interests in running in the immediate or near future. Thanks though. Sincerely, --A Nobody 16:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
While I understand and respect your decision, I have to admit that kind of thinking is exactly why you deserve the honor. Administrators should be people who want to be editors first and administrators second. Spinach Monster (talk) 13:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, perhaps, but maybe down the road. Another cocnern is that I have played a role in identifying quite a few sock farms who have a tendency to show up from time to time and there is a reasonable chance that an RfA for me would be tainted by whatever sock or meat puppets they are currently operating participating in it. It could easily turn into something ugly and unconstructive. Sincerely, --A Nobody 15:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
How long ago were the sock farms found? In any case, I think if they came against you in an RFA, that'd only strengthen your argument. I understand that you don't feel comfortable, so I won't push you, but I want you to recognize that you should not feel penalized for doing the right thing. Anyone who helps the Encyclopedia in any way, particularly against those who wish to bully others, even if it seems in an odd way, deserves praise and recognition. Spinach Monster (talk) 23:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Some of the most persistent of the bunch that I have had to contend with were those associated with him, him, him, him, and quite a few others, but it's the nature of the beast here. Anyway, the thought is greatly appreciated and I thank you for your kindness and genorisity. Happy editing! Sincerely, --A Nobody 23:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

WikiThanks
WikiThanks

Thank you for your comments and continued support on my talk page. Ikip (talk) 10:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure! Best, --A Nobody 18:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the Saint Patrick’s Day wishes! SunCreator (talk) 14:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! Sincerely, --A Nobody 17:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a smile...

Papercutbiology♫ (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
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Papercutbiology♫ (talk) 23:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!  :) Sincerely, --A Nobody 16:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the St. Patrick's Day greeting

Thankyou for thinking of me yesterday. I like what I hear everywhere that on St. Patrick's Day everyone is Irish. As far as I know I am not Irish, but I have been told that I look Irish. Your spreading of goodwill on this website is marvelous and inspires fruitful interchange. I trust your green day was also happy. Erin go bragh!--Drboisclair (talk) 13:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! Best, --A Nobody 18:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for your greetings on my talk page. I'm not really a barnstars-and-social-networking kind of editor, but I do appreciate the occasional note. Sort of like "thanks for noticing me"... Best regards!  Frank  |  talk  20:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome and I am happy it was appreciated. :) Best, --A Nobody 04:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Next time..

...you notice an admin deletes only the redirect of a moved-mid-AfD article, and not the actual content !voted to be deleted, please append {{db-xfd|votepage=__}} to the top of the page. Thanks! --EEMIV (talk) 02:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I know some of the SD templates, but wasn't aware of that (as you probably know, I don't usually template articles for SD; I have done a few, but I don't believe I've ever used that template before). Take care! --A Nobody 04:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry -I have saved and moved the content to here. You can copy and userfy if you want but no one should remove it from there. The result is done, and the article page is only 44kb anyway. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:22, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Please excuse my interjection: isn't unattributable content incompatible with WP:GFDL? I recently approached an admin concerning a similar situation (content from a deleted article, but via Google Cache), and he blanked the content in question. Flatscan (talk) 05:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the notice. Best, --A Nobody 04:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

ER thanks

Hi, thanks for your comment on my ER! Have some (bubble) tea!

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thanks again, Oli Pyfan! 04:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

How nice!  :) Best, --A Nobody 04:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

List of common misconceptions

Hi mate, I'm totally with you about the List of Common Misconceptions; I think it's ludicrous that it's up for AfD.

But the reason I wanted to contact you is to say, I think it isn't necessary to reply to it so much, and I wonder if you'd consider slowing down on that?—S Marshall /Cont 10:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. At my last count, there were over 25 "keep" arguments anyway, so if this got redlinked, it would be an obvious DRV as no unbiased admin would make such a close anyway. Sincerely, --A Nobody 15:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
DRV wouldn't achieve much, mate. If there's no consensus at the AfD, then there'll be no consensus at the DRV (which leads to "no consensus to overturn"). Which means where there's no consensus during the AfD, a decision by sysop fiat will always stand.
No consensus is a genuine problem where you have sysops that see themselves as the chairman of the meeting rather than the clerk, and I'm damned if I can figure out how to challenge that. So I'd say the future of that article totally depends on who closes the AfD.—S Marshall /Cont 16:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I suppose that's all the more reason to keep discounting all of the repetitive and dishonest claims of "indiscriminate". Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

You keep claiming it's discriminate when it isn't. "Common" is a subjective term; when is something common? What if I say I've never heard of something adn disagree it's common? It's not like List of U.S. presidents from Georgia, where there is a prima facie evidence of someone being from Georgia; It's just too subjective.--Patton 19:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

If it is cited in multiple reliable sources as a "common misconception" than its inclusion is discrminate. We are not going with what I think is a common misconception, but with what multiple published authors have identified as common misconceptions and as such this is a discriminate inclusion criteria. Just because a handful of people haven't heard of something doesn't mean it is not a verifiable thing. Because I haven't heard about certain topics pertaining to physics or chemistry doesn't make them unworthy of coverage. My or your or anyone's personal ignorance of a subject does not diminish its relevance to millions of others. Sincerely, --A Nobody 19:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
The article is mostly referenced, but common is a subjective term, it doens't matter what anybody says, it's indicriminate. What if someone else published a book saying they weren't common?--Patton 19:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
That's why we go with multiple reliable sources, which makes it discriminate and which discounts dissenting opinions. Plus, we don't base things on "what if". If no book actually exists saying it isn't a common misconception, then we don't have to worry about hypotheticals. Because we do have multiple books that do define certain things as common misconceptions, we have a real basis for a discriminate list. Sincerely, --A Nobody 19:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
You do have to worry about the hypothetical; take for example, list of large buildings. That's obviously an indiscriminate list. What makes something large? However list of buildings over 30 stories would be discriminate as it provides an objective criterion for inclusion.--Patton 19:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. We go with what we have in the here and now, not what might happen. We have reliable sources for what is considered common misconceptions. Now if you are suggesting we define the criteria even more narrowly, i.e. Misconceptions about Catholicism then that is fine by me and outright say in the lead "This article lists misconceptions about Catholicism that have served as the subject of multiple published works." Sincerely, --A Nobody 20:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
You still don't seem to understand what I mean. People disagree over what a "large" building is because different people have different opinions ("large" is subjective), but they cannot disagree over what a building "with over 30 stories" is (that's objective)—it either has 30+ stories or it hasn't. Similarly people can disagree over what a "common" misconception is, or just how common it is. List of misconceptions dispelled in Mythbusters would be an objective title becuase nobody can argue that it was dispelled in mythbusters. Sure I have no problem with these things being in the articles themselves as they're important, but the list is just unmaintainable. :-)--Patton 20:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Sure, you and I can disagree over what is common, but if multiple published books present evidence and definitions of what a "common misconception" refers to (like a "common cold"), in this case we have something that is more subjective and for what it's worth, I am totally open-minded to merges or to a more narrow definition like a List of misconceptions dispelled in Mythbuster. I just want to be sure that we adequately consider every alternative per WP:PRESERVE and WP:BEFORE. Sincerely, --A Nobody 22:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Patton123: List of tallest buildings and structures in the world. Reasonably good article on the subject. Not impossible to maintain. Quite important to the encyclopedia. Some list articles need work, but I wish people would not immediately assume "impossible to fix, delete".--Father Goose (talk) 09:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of AfD templates

If you will refrain from deleting AfD templates in the future, then there should be no further problems.--Sloane (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

No, if an admin closes an AfD and forgets to remove the templates after closing, it is beyond acceptable for any editor to remove templates for closed discussions. It is common good faith practice to do that as say Blanchard did here. Please do not invent issues. Also, please remember to use edit summaries. Thanks. Sincerely, --A Nobody 15:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Article Rescue Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to A Nobody, for his behind the scenes work on Retro Duo, saving the article from deletion. A Nobody work has greatly strengthened the project, and he truly is a valuable asset to wikipedia. Ikip (talk) 16:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Polite notice

Please stop badgering everyone who !votes to "delete" at this AfD, it's considered bad Wikiquette. The !voters should have already looked over the discussion and noted your points. Shoving your opinion down their throats after they already !voted isn't going to change their minds, only infuriate them. ThemFromSpace 18:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Unless if you left the same message for the nominator of the article, then no, because it is a discussion, and not a vote and such inaccurate comments need to be challenged. Good faith and open-minded editors will change their minds. Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Can I personally thank you for your persuasive persistence over this AfD. It's completely party pri to criticise you when others who want it deleted keep on making their arguments heard in repeated comments. You helped change my mind completely--Moloch09 (talk) 22:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
You are very welcome! Thank you for keeping an open-mind and treating it a discussion and note a vote. Have a wonderful weekend! Sincerely, --A Nobody 22:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
The "someone else did it, so I'm going to keep doing it, too" line is old and childish -- one of the things pointed out to you under your old ID. Your other account also received warnings/requests not to respond to/badget every (or a bunch) of dissenting views at AfD. Your troubling editing habits from your pre-RT"V" account continue to bubble up; please reign them in. --EEMIV (talk) 23:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Please read WP:CIVILITY. As Molochi09 demonstrates above, open-minded editors are indeed persuaded by good faith arguments. Best, --A Nobody 23:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks, but it's not a battleground as far as I see it (I hate to compare disagreements on a website with a term that evokes what our relatives have experienced outside of cyberspace), maybe some heated or passioned discussion, but c'est la vie!  :) I am confident that enough reasonable editors are out there that we can find a way to do something with these lists that works. Will we appease extremists? Perhaps not, but we don't have to after all.  :) Best, --A Nobody 23:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Transwiki request

 Done. Cheers, –Juliancolton 01:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Fantastic!  :) Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Done with the others, as well. :) –Juliancolton 01:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Cool; I'm basically going through various old fiction AfDs where someone called for a transwiki and seeing if that's possible as I figure if editors thought these articles worthwhile, there has to be a place for them somewhere.  :) Best, --A Nobody 01:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
That is a wonderful idea. Nice job A nobody. Ikip (talk) 03:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Sincerely, --A Nobody 15:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Repetition of points in a deletion discussion

Could you stop doing this please? Continually repeating your points looks disruptive and looks like an attempt to ram your opinion down people's throats when they are perfectly capable of reading the discussion for themselves. Since you are a nice person, I'm sure you wouldn't want to give that impression. Seraphim♥ 16:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

It seems necessary, because practically all the deletes are the same borderline copy and paste and false claims of "indiscriminate", which it is clearly not and has been debunked repeatedly in the discussion. As such, these need to be challenged and pointed out as such. Best, --A Nobody 16:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Really, they don't. If specious arguments are "clearly" "false" and "debunked," the closing admin. will see this and discount them. As you point out, such debunking has happened "repeatedly in the discussion"; continuing to beat the dead horse doesn't seem necessary. This is now three editors from one AfD, on top of a host of others from other AfDs pre-RTV, who're asking you to stop responding with the same points/rebuttals to such an overwhelming number of dissenting views at AfD. --EEMIV (talk) 16:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, they do, so that they are seen by the closing admin to have been refuted. And it's not surprising that those who disagree with the keep side of the discussion would single me out rather than say the nominator or some of the others on the delete side who have challenged practically every keep. I cannot take such requests seriously when they only focus on one individual and when they are coming from one side that has a clear bias, i.e. those wanting to delete who do not want to be refuted. This is nothing more than taking an ad hominem approach to squash a perceived opponent rather than trying to substantiate arguments in the discussion. I will not be bullied out of discussing. Sincerely, --A Nobody 16:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It is your opinion that the claim that the list is indiscriminate is false. Try to respect the views of others who have a differing opinion. You seem to be guilty of precisely the same behaviour you just mentioned, practically copying and pasting your opinion. Please stop. Seraphim♥ 16:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
It gets old and frustrating seeing repetitious comments that seem to ignore the whole actual discussion that refuted those misconceptions. Besides, in discussions, we challenge each other and I am sure most editors can handle being challenged here and there. I appreciate the suggestion in any event and hope that a similar message has been left for the nominator and anyone else who has responded to multiple editors in the discussion. Sincerley, --A Nobody 16:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Joy. You're employing the same argument to defend your behaviour: "I know what I'm doing wrong but you better have warned every one else otherwise my disruptive behaviour doesn't count". What is frustrating is having to tell you time and time again to stop being disruptive. The other people don't need your particular brand of "challenging" i.e. continual badgering. Assume good faith that people have read the discussion and try to understand that other people don't believe their argument has been refuted. If it was as clear as you seem to think, there would be no difference in opinion. Now, can I just get a comment from you saying that you won't continue to do this? Is a wider audience needed to judge whether your behaviour is disruptive? Seraphim♥ 17:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I am not being disruptive and what I am doing is not wrong. It is remarkably disappointing that anyone would try to denigrate good faith efforts to reach a consensus as such, although it is not surprising that those of the different viewpoint would want to focus on squelching only the opinion of someone on the opposite side of the discussion while ignoring those who agree with them. Thus, if anything, ganging up on me is disruptive, because if it is only wrong in your eyes my challenging those who want to delete and it is not wrong for the nominator to challenge those who want to keep, then these accusations here are hypocritical and no editor should be expected to tolerate hypocritical comments. The truth is neither I nor the nominator should be prevented from challenging editors in a discussion. That is what a discussion is, an interaction among editors and sure some times comments are going to be repeated, but that's what we have in actual discussions. I have commented in two AfDs in the past couple of weeks, one to argue to keep and one to argue to delete. Funny, no one seems to mind when I argue to delete. The delete one closed as snow and so now my focus is only on the one that should and will be kept in a day or so anyway. And aside from those who rarely if never change from delete to keep, as Molochi shows above, my approach actually has convinced at least one participant to switch to Strong keep. So, okay to the few editors with a history with me who have been on the opposite side in practically every discussion we participated in want to misrepresent my edits in the same old fashion instead of trying to focus on actually discussing the value of the article, whereas others like Molochi actually do respond to the persistence in the intended manner, i.e. he open mindedly changed his stance accordingly. It may not work with everyone, but it has convinced at least one eidtor, which means that it can indeed have fortunate results. Please focus on the actual values of the articles in questions, rather than on the editors in the discussions. Finally, what is especially baffling here is that for the past how many edits I have made today, I have focused on totally unrelated stuff, i.e. writing up editor reviews and the like. Now obviously, my focus for today is on a totally unrelated area of Misplaced Pages, so it's like where is this coming from? Yesterday or whatever, okay, but the bulk of my edits today and those of the past hour plus have not even been to that discussion. Finally, if anyone replies specifically to me in that AfD, no one can reasonably expect to not reply to another's reply specifically to me. Sincerely, --A Nobody 17:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know how to respond to such a screed. Seraphim♥ 17:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
If it makes you more receptive to this request to stop responding in such large quantities, I have left a similar request at Locke's page -- he's the only editors who has more edits to this discussion than you. --EEMIV (talk) 17:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
That is an interesting tool! Okay, since you left the comment on Locke's page too, that removes my concern of hypocrisy and as such, I will focus on other aspects of Misplaced Pages instead. I appreciate the effort to be fair by now contacting both of us and will only reply to those who reply directly to me in the AfD if I comment any further, which I really wasn't planning on anyway as I wanted to work on other stuff today. Take care! Sincerely, --A Nobody 17:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

AN/I

A report has been filed about your conduct at AN/I. The report can be found here. Seraphim♥ 17:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Review

Thanks a lot for the review. As for your comment about article rescue, I have never been too excellent at actual prose work, but I can certainly do the old dronery of finding refs/info and expanding. I'll certainly have a shot at doing some work on a few of the tagged articles today - and thanks for mentioning it, I was thinking about ARS a while back, but it would appear I never got around to it. Again, thanks. :) — neuro 18:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome and keep up the good work! As far as I can tell you are a real asset to our project!  :) Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
You flatter me with your words, I can do nothing but reciprocate them towards yourself. :) — neuro 19:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I've tried doing some work on this, anything else you would suggest I looked at to improve it? — neuro 20:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, good job, as it survived the AfD! Bravo! Sincerely, --A Nobody 05:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't be intimidated

I got to thinking, hmmm...I wonder how many edits other editors have on this page.

I don't see these same editors adding warning to the nominator for deletion, who actually is the editor who has the most edits on the page (40 as opposed to your 36):

  • Locke9k 40 2 5.0% 2009-03-19 15:06 2009-03-21 15:49 74:56 m
  • A Nobody 36 0 0.0% 2009-03-20 17:58 2009-03-22 15:21 77:46 m

I would just ignore such "disruptive" "badgering". Ikip (talk) 19:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Will do. My mother just made lunch/dinner, so ta ta for now!  :) Best, --A Nobody 19:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Look harder, Ikip: I put a request on the nominator's/Locke9k's page asking him to tone down, too, and A Nobody above seemed receptive to this mutual request. --EEMIV (talk) 19:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Transwiki Request

The page in question was userfied to: User:Tlogmer/List of films by gory death scene. I have no idea how to do a legal transwiki off of Wikimedia sites, nor do I think doing so is adviseable. WilyD 20:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link! Sincerely, --A Nobody 20:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for your continued efforts to protect and improve wikipedia. Some see that Wiki is completed and strive to cleanup articles to meet ever-changing guideline, others understand that wiki as an unfinished and ever-growing project that will never be finished. Some use guideline as a bludgeon and others use it as a scalpel. Proper use of the provided tools is always to be encouraged. Enthusiasm and love of Wiki is an attribute to be cherished. Schmidt, 22:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this a barnstar or some kind of haiku / word puzzle?  :) Congrats Nobody. Have fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
You are most welcome. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Sincerely, --A Nobody 05:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you! Anyway, I like to bring List of catgirls, List of common misconceptions, and List of fictional characters by IQ all up to featured list status and would always appreciate any help! Best, --A Nobody 17:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Editor Review

Just thought I'd drop by a quick note, in your editor review you noticed, from my edit history, that I had at one point vandalised. I would like to question though that surly that would be overlooked anyway... After all I no longer vandalise and have a barnstar to say well done for stopping vandalising. Just thought I'd get your thoughts on that? Mczack26 SpeakToMe! 15:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello! As I wrote at your review, I think it is wonderful that you earned a resilient barnstar for turning around! Kudos! Sincerely, --A Nobody 17:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Transwiki request

Sorry, I don't know anything about transwikiing. You'll need to ask someone who does. Ty 00:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Best, --A Nobody 02:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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