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Happy editing! Noisy | Talk 10:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Joan of Arc

Welcome to the fray! You seem to have picked up that there has been significant dispute about this article in the past: be prepared for people to jump down your throat. Noisy | Talk 10:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Your changes at Joan of Arc (either already made or suggested) are very much appreciated! Please edit boldly! As I mentioned at Talk:Joan of Arc#Tone this article should be polished to fit an encyclopedia. Be aware of AWilliamson, a self-proclaimed expert on Joan of Arc. He's a conservative catholic devoter of Saint Joan of Arc and a homo-phobe. He now acts under anonymous AOL-accounts and at least one sock puppet - HAJARS 22:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I've just changed some suspisious edits by an anonymous user (from comparing his use of language, I believe it is AWilliamson) back to your version of the article. I know for sure he will revert them again. On that account it's an never ending story. Reading your edits, I'm convinced you are a true expert on the subject. HAJARS 22:55, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree you've been very transparent. I wish you good luck on your effort to make the article more fitting an encyclopedia! — HAJARS 01:08, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Just take a look at this older version of the article and see how brief it could be... — HAJARS 23:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

As I expected, he changed my revisions of his edits again, just an hour ago. You can see his changes here: just look at the history chart of the article and compare selected revisions. There's no way to discuss this edit war with him. I invited him several times on the talk page, but as he won't log in there's no way to address him directly (and he doesn't respond to messages at his accounts AWilliamson and Center-for-Medieval-Studies) — unless you want to e-mail him. His e-mail address can be found at his site www.joan-of-arc.org. HAJARS 14:40, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Just have a look at your barnstar... — HAJARS 11:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Mediation and opposition

Your request seems alright to me. I'm sure some mediator will pick it up. — HAJARS 16:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

See my respons at my talk page. — HAJARS 18:21, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hang in there, but don't get too involved. You should perhaps make yourself aware of Misplaced Pages:No original research when confronting the Ballards and Allens of this world. Noisy | Talk 00:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Although I doubt the point would register with them. Durova 00:25, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

To keep you posted...

Hi Durova,

New developments: 64.12.116.197 and Jhballard have been editing Joan of Arc again. Especially 64.12.116.197 has been reading our posts (at all those separate places of Misplaced Pages). He now admits he is Allen, because he has read your assumption that Allen had probably been banned in the past (the assumption you made near your request for mediation). See the history of Joan of Arc:

23:59, 3 November 2005 64.12.116.197 (Edit comment: I'll drop the main point of dispute, but certain basic things nevertheless need to be cleaned up. (I have never been "banned", by the way))

I have never been "banned" he says. So he is Allen! Not that clever to admit it like this BTW. — HAJARS 23:50, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I see. Do you know anyone at site admin? Durova 00:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

You could contact Fire Star. I don't know if he's admin, but at least a moderator. — HAJARS 09:15, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Stupid-stupid-stupid!

I'm so terribly, terribly, terribly sorry! No, I'm not sorry you are female. I'm sorry I presumed you were male. Of course, as you expected, I'm male. No, I'm not! I am a sock puppet, but the man who determines what I say or do is. I guess he's a male pig. You may beat him. After all, you've left some clues on your page about your gender. Very stupid to miss them. I'm very ashamed! — HAJARS 23:23, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

ROFL Don't worry, the person who inspired my Wiki-identity spent nine years disguised as a man. It just gives me a good laugh. Durova 23:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe Misplaced Pages needs a male/female tag for user pages... — HAJARS 23:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

WS

Thank you for your interest in WS poll, What do you tink about the options 1 and 2. You should add a comment under every option to support or oppose it. Thank you very much. Cheers. Daryou 17:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD

Please read WP:GD or ask a more experienced editor before putting a page on WP:AFD. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. Karmafist 15:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's clear cut, but it probably will not be notable enough for an article on its own. As for the AfD initiation process, here's the boiling down of it.

1. Put {{afd}} at the top of the page. You did ok there.
2. Then click on the redlink in that afd box. That's the afd page for the article in question.
3. Write whatever you think on the article's afd page, and make sure there's a link in the title and three equals signs in the title like this ===]===
4. Copy and paste the title of that page you just edited on, and put it on the afd main page, and put a {{ and a }} around it at the bottom.

Karmafist 15:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

You said to defend Article:Contact Consequences

Remember the media hysteria caused by the discovery of fossilized organisims in a meteorite that came from Mars ? Where is it mentioned that those who are religious believe that aliens and/or UFOs are Satan's minions ? While travelling, I've ran into some of these people. Suppose that those bugs were LIVE, NASA,ESA finds something on Mars. And for the mother of all alien arguments: We all look up one day, and there are alien warships positioned in strategic areas all over the planet, either the aliens will help us all or eat us all.Martial Law 20:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

No, not personal appeals. Imagine what may happen IF another meteorite full of bugs is found.Martial Law 23:44, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Favedave

Hi, I noticed that in the near past a user called Favedave had been trying to remove religious toned content from Joan of Arc. He was scared away though. You can see this edit by Favedave and his/her motivation on Joantalk. Unfortunately he/she doesn't seem to be among us anymore. HAJARS 23:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Dutch

Thanks for the compliment. About the Dutch origins of the USA (I guess that's were you might live): I really enjoyed Russell Shorto's book about New York! Why is a cooky called a "cooky"? and not "biscuit"?. Because the Dutch ate a "koekje" (pronounced "cooky") with their tea and brought it to America. Why is Santa Claus called "Santa Claus"? Because it was derived from Dutch "Sinterklaas" (pronounced something like "Santa Claus")... a figure from a traditional Dutch feast that gave gifts to children... Oh, I could go on and on about this... — Switisweti 00:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the Dutch influence survives in New York in place names like Fishkill, in Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and in the street plan of New York City's financial district. Those streets there follow the spoked Dutch pattern, unlike most other American urban plans. You've probably heard that Wall Street follows the old Dutch town wall. Harlem comes from Haarlem and Amsterdam Avenue is a major Manhattan thoroughfare.

I've never been able to trace an actual Dutch ancestor of my own. Two of the surnames in my family are Dutch. One leads to sixteenth century Bavaria. The other one, which I carry, goes back to Denmark by way of northern Germany. Durova 19:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Brooklyn is from "Breukelen" and Flushing (and this I didn't know until recently) is from "Vlissingen". I wonder how these Dutch ancestors of yours ended up in Germany and Denmark? It's less common for Dutch names to travel to those places. Perhaps they aren't Dutch, but German? — Switisweti 20:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind my remaining anonymous on this public forum. The names are distinctively Dutch, so much so that when I meet someone from the Netherlands or South Africa they usually launch into several questions about my background. Dutch names are uncommon in America and my first name also has a Continental spelling rarely seen here. As far back as I've been able to trace my own surname, my great-great grandfather was ethnically Danish when Bismarck annexed the provinces of Schleswig and Holstein and he resented having to learn German. Durova 21:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

No, I really don't mind. I understand. Wasn't trying to trick you in disclosing your name. Dutch names aren't that uncommon. What about president Roosevelt. His name was Dutch, though Americans pronounce it wrongly. An what about Vanderbilt. That's a Dutch name too. — Switisweti 21:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC) (BTW Getting tired of logging out and in again - suffering from multiple identities - I put my sock puppet back in the closet for a while, my point was made)

German names are far more common in North America and given the origins of some of my ancestors you're right to ask. Both of my family surnames are common Dutch words that have no meaning in German. I speak no Dutch but I used to be fluent in German. I've met Dutch people over the Internet who shared my family name. Every German I've ever asked has said the name doesn't seem German at all. As with the Roosevelts, I don't pronounce my name correctly. My family modified a vowel sound in Denmark or Germany and retained that version. Durova 22:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Comments on ORGs

Sorry if my remarks seemed a little rude, I was tired when I wrote them and it wasn't my intention to be nasty. By most standards I'm still a newb, and should have thought things out more carefully. At least the AfD brought some much-needed advice in for me. Thanks, and sorry. :) - Foofy 19:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

New sneaky vandal? Guess not...

Be aware of user 152.163.100.197. He/she made an edit that was almost not noticed: adding an extra space in the External links section of Joan of Arc, making a particular link defect. Look here. At the bottom (last change of that edit). Notice the extra space before "html"? That makes "html" go to the visible text and it makes the link corrupt. A year ago I (as Switisweti) had an edit war with AWilliamson about that link. I liked it, but he wanted it out of the list. After the war was settled with mediation, he tried to sabotage the link by secretly corrupting the link. Please help me to prevent this happening again. Except if you dislike the link too of course... — HAJARS 20:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm keeping track of the IP numbers I suspect he has used so far (though I have no proof, I think I can recognise the content of his edits):

• 66.216.226.34 (static IP number)
• 64.12.96.171 (variable IP number of AOL)
• 64.12.116.207 (variable IP number of AOL)
• 64.12.116.197 (variable IP number of AOL)
• 152.163.252.167 (variable IP number AOL)
• 152.163.100.197 (variable IP number of AOL)
• 205.188.116.72 (variable IP number of AOL)
• 205.188.117.67 (variable IP number of AOL)

For what it's worth.

— HAJARS 21:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Dark Age

It's a legitimate historical concept that refers to the lack of primary source documents for periods following a civilization's collapse.

Funny, I have a BA in history, wrote a large part of the Dark Ages article, study history with an obsessesion, and this is the first I have heard of this "legitimate historical concept". Perhaps I am missing out. Can you enlighten me with further reading, names of historians or further resources about this legitimate historical concept? You seem to know what you are talking about so I thought I'd ask you first. Stbalbach 21:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh sure, there are cases where the term is applied. But each means somthing different. They dont all imply "lack of written record" (that was the European Dark Age as defined by the Humanists Petrarch). In short, Dark Age can mean a lot of different things depending on its context. Thats why we have a disambiguation page and separate articles. There is nothing about the exact term "Dark Age" that warrants a distinct article, it's all covered elsewhere. Stbalbach 21:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

What do other dark ages imply if not that? There's very little Greek text other than gravestone engravings between the fall of Mycenaean civilization and Homer. Your disambiguation page may convince me to change my vote. Please explain how these other dark ages fail to meet Petrarch's definition, other than one happened after he lived and another surfaced due to subsequent discoveries. Durova 22:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)