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Sorry to annoy you once more, but could you check out this image? Part of the FUR says "It is of much lower resolution than the original" which is confusing considering the size. Also, the source seems to be a book published in Bulgaria in 1941, which wouldn't be a reliable source, would it? Thanks in advance, BalkanFever

Back to NIR-Warrior?

Please see what User:AddBOT is doing to Bucharest. AddBOT seems to be restoring everything that has been cleaned up after the banned sock NIR-Warrior and his IP look-alikes 79.101.200.189 and 88.250.20.5 (I called your attention to these look-alikes here). Thank you. --Zlerman (talk) 17:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL, a sockpuppet posing as a bot, that's a new one. He gets a point for inventiveness, at least. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your instant action. --Zlerman (talk) 17:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Istanbul Pic

Hello, as you might have seen on the talk page of Istanbul, I am really a dumb when it comes to computers and so, can, you, or anyone you might know or recommend, help us on doing a NYC kind of montage that would please everyone?? (I opened the topic on the talk page, no one responded yet :( ).

Cheers! --Emir Ali Enç (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

"Rant"

This is the second time you are dismissing my serious questions in my posts as a "rant" which deserves no reply. Straightforward question: Do you have any personal problem with me? Because it definitely looks like it when you are not responding to the essence of my post. (And btw, no, WP:UE is a guideline, NOT a policy, so be a little more cautious). NikoSilver 18:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I have no problem with you personally. You know I like you and I consider you my friend. But, I can't help it, I sometimes have this feeling in discussion with you, your logic simply evades me. I'm lost for words. It feels like arguing against a smokescreen. There are just too many loose ends and too many logical inconsistencies in your argument to address them all at once. I don't know where to start. Trying to address them would dissolve the whole argument into a hopeless tangle.

It's different with Kekrops. He can be the most pig-headed wiki-lawyer the world has seen, but at least when debating with him I have the feeling there's some thread of coherence between us and we somehow seem to understand what the other is saying.

Sorry if I offended you, but I can't help it, I really don't see how I could meaningfully respond to posts like that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Σταματήστε, θα δακρύσω. Τόση φιλία δεν την αντέχει ο ευαίσθητος συναισθηματικός μου κόσμος... ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 19:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Apology accepted and friendship mutual and appreciated. Now did you ever think there's nowhere to start from because there simply aren't any loose ends in my logic? I mean when someone disagrees with you, does he always have to be wrong? Please try re-reading my post a sentence at a time. The last time we disagreed on the exact same arguments, it was in the MOSMAC talkpage (which I was summarizing). But we respected each other's arguments then. What changed since? NikoSilver 22:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I did re-read your post, sentence by sentence. Sorry, but every single sentence is wrong. There isn't a single one that's salvagable. And yes, we've been through it all, and I haven't got anything more to say about them than what I said back then. Some of your arguments are really, forgive my frankness, laughable. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe what is laughable is the idea that a mere disambiguation before a name is worth risking millions of lives. Maybe what is laughable is WP's priorities. Maybe what is laughable is the creation and the interpretation of certain tailor-made guidelines which were designed to serve the exact same purpose for years. Maybe what is laughable is me continuing to deal with all this appalling system here. But, surely, what is mostly laughable is that people of a high mental capacity tend to behave like a modern Socrates in supporting the system, despite it being evidently completely rotten. Although a Greek, I'd choose Che myself. NikoSilver 23:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I throw up my hands in despair. If this topic is too hot for you to debate it reasonably, better not try. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, I picture your gesture... I love it when Germans become passionate! You'll come around. You'll see. NikoSilver 11:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

You are lucky you never saw me eating my hat in despair. I once had a real-to-life depiction of it here on Misplaced Pages. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:LOBU#Rjecina

FWIW, the entries use {{vandal-s}}, not {{userlinks}}. Also, you're not supposed to sign your post after an entry. Cheers, →Dyl@n620 19:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

NIR-Warrior2

I was wondering if you would take a look at this user, as you have blocked the initial user in the past, who then performed a huge edit on the Cyprus page with a rather threatening explanation. I don't want to start an edit war, but as you have experience with this user, I was hoping you'd take a look at his/her activity. Angryapathy (talk) 20:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

PD review

See commons:Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#PD_review. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

left question for you there. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement

I agree entirely with your comment about Kekrops needing a topic ban - he has clearly violated the arbitration sanctions in this case (see WP:ARBMAC#Decorum in particular). I've therefore proposed a topic ban at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Greek nationalist disruption on Republic of Macedonia. Your views would be welcome. -- ChrisO (talk) 09:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear,

I am sorry that it’s about two years that you deal with a text of “Eagle’s wing” magazine, pretending that it is too much tendentious but in fact the pages of this magazine are used often as references even from your encyclopedia. I am saying, “dear”, because it can’t be different. This magazine is really the only information source for the Cham problem, which is a big problem for the international justice and politics, not only for Albania. In these conditions, notwithstanding the deletion of this article from your pages, it will remain a source of references for everybody who wants to know more about the Cham Albanians. You have to know that with your action you have caused trouble to a big community of writers, journalists, artists etc. If you had had the good desire, you would have edited the page, as you did with Bilal Xhaferri’s page. And you wouldn’t delete it completely. If something tendentious was in it, you had to edit it. I think that it’s in your honor to review this severe attitude and find the way that even “Eagle’s magazine” can be viewed in the pages of your encyclopedia. In this way you will respect the fifty years work of the dissident Cham intellectuals. Respectfully Xanxari en. March 26, 2009

--Xanxari en. (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Look, I have no problem if you can write a decent little article on that thing. Under the following conditions:

1. Convincing references to neutral third-party sources talking about that journal, documenting that it is notable
2. No text copied from elsewhere
3. No WP:PEACOCK language boosting the importance of the journal artificially
4. No tendentious wording promoting the political ideas expressed by the journal

Can you do that? It's really not that hard, you know. And please stop spamming links to non-notable sites into other articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Again, once more, ...

Can you take a look on Markos Botsaris and Talk:Markos Botsaris, sourced material has been removed, the user has broken 3RR (not me this time, surprisingly) and he refuts to WP guidelines, missinterpreting them.Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection has expired and the game started again, anons attacking as always. Are you going to do something?Balkanian`s word (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please can you answer me on the five annon war in Markos Botsaris? And by the way, please can you take part in the talk page in my dispute with Kapnisma?Balkanian`s word (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Future, how about this edit? Jingby (talk) 06:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Do we have now two articles: Aegean Macedonians and Slavic-speakers of Greek Macedonia, or what? Jingby (talk) 06:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Racist

Thank you for confirming that Misplaced Pages is racist against Macedonians, nothing was conducted to punish ΚΕΚΡΩΨ, and there is a reason behind that. Mactruth (talk) 06:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear

User:Future_Perfect,

According to your words we put again “Eagle’s wing” magazine in the pages of the encyclopedia, yesterday on 26 March with the changes you recommend to us. Surprisingly today it has been deleted again by the administrator: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Woohookitty. This history it’s about two years going on without any valid reason. As we agreed yesterday, this magazine represents a big Albanian community, in need, which is almost equal with Kosovo population. It represents even the Albanian communities in Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia and USA. This is the unique magazine that is used as a reference source for the problems of these communities. And it has more reason to be displayed in the pages of your encyclopedia than being deleted. It makes favors to you encyclopedia because it is widely read. We will put again the material in your pages and we hope to find again your support to avoid its deletion again. Regarding the references sources we will try to fulfill them, following your conditions. Again I repeat you that this is an article widely read and it does a favor to your encyclopedia. Respectfully Xanxari en. March 27, 2009

--Xanxari en. (talk) 11:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, couple of things:

1. Your page still contained a huge lot of unsourced assertions, a good bit of tendentious wording (though not as bad as before), and basically no sourcing whatsoever with respect to the notability of the whole thing. You need independent neutral sources for that, and you need to refer to them in support of every individual piece of information.
2. I haven't checked to what extent the new text was free of copyright violations. Given the past history, this will require some checks. Please keep in mind that it is also not okay to take an existing Albanian text from somewhere else and translate it into English; that's still a copyright violation.
3. The article was still in very poor English.
4. You evidently are associated with that organisation and are here to advocate for it. Please see our guideline on "conflict of interest", regarding legitimate and illegitimate behaviour of editors under such conditions. If your magazine is truly notable, then somebody other than you will certainly want to create an article on it sooner or later. If nobody has felt the need for that yet, maybe that's truly a sign it isn't that notable after all?

In sum, I strongly recommend you should not re-create the page at this point. If you truly feel you can meet the conditions, you are free to create a draft in your own user space (e.g. at User:Xanxari en./Krahu i shqiponjës), and I'll have a look at it later.

By the way, why are your talking of yourself as "we"? Is your account used by more than one person? Please be aware that this is not allowed here. Each user should have their own individual account at all times. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Just chiming in here to say that I am more than willing to help Xanxari en. with the English in his/her draft if they would like. I think the language barrier is playing a major role here. But yes, I deleted it again for the reasons you stated here. --User:Woohookitty 11:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear

At first I want to say you that I am from Kosovo and for this reason I have the right to protect an Albanian magazine that has treated the Kosovo problem too. Speaking the Albanian language, I have the right to display this article because an Albanian will put it in the encyclopedia. I have contributed too much in the encyclopedia pages of the Albanian language and I know more than anybody else the Kosovo problem, the Cham problem and other Albanian problems. Being a good connoisseur of these problems I can bring more precise arguments that honor the encyclopedia. My contributions in the English language in this encyclopedia maybe are few for the little time we have collaborated but they are more precise because of my knowledge. I think that in this article I fulfill an emptiness of this encyclopedia for the Cham problem. And I think that the article is really neutral. I can say that are many references sources in the Albanian language for this magazine but they are too little in English, and you see this through Google.

Dear, you say in your page that you speak the German language and you have knowledge in other languages too. As a German speaking person I want to remind you that the Germans are the best albanologs for a hundred year period. I am surprised by the fact that you, as A German, don’t have the power to admit an article from Albania and for sake of the truth you could edit it (where necessary) and this would be in your honor. I don’t know any German who is such a little well-wisher toward the Albanians. This make me suspect that maybe you are not the one you declare. Maybe I am wrong.

Once again I am doing a pray to your conscience to view you attitude toward this article. It’s surprising that you raise too many doubts for such a simple article! I can respond to this fact with a proverb that is said in Kosovo and Albania: “The tree that produces fruits is more hit with stones than the one who doesn’t.” I am saying that you didn’t keep the promise you made me. The writing doesn’t have any conflict of interests, it doesn’t violated the copy right too. I don’t know if there is any conflict of interests if a German writes something about Germany or an English man writes something about Britain.

I don’t want to last this discussion because I think that even though you accept this article you will stimulate another administrator to delete it. However I can tell you that the Cham problem will find a solution even though you stop this article with every kind of justifications. If you have the desire you can edit this article where necessary and this could be a noble action. Waiting for your positive reaction

Respectfully

Xanxari, from Kosovo. --Xanxari en. (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi Fut. I noticed that Lord Byron had written that Souliotes were Albanians, in here. I know that Byron is not a RS, but giving the fact that he had known well the region and both Albanians and Greeks, and that he was a friend of Botsaris and later a leader of the Botsaris clan, I wonder if he could be included in the article?Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Germany article

You have removed major longterm established content from a FA article without discussion. Be reminded that this violates several Misplaced Pages guidelines and policies. Lear 21 (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

For Chrissake, give it up already. You've had several blocks for stubborn edit-warring. It's patently obvious that you'll soon get another. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

You call Upholding the quality and long-established content of one of most read and highest rated articles edit warring, interesting. So far, your account has not contributed a single argument during several discussions and still you are reverting or deleting. There are many editors and administrators who would not hesitate to call your actions disruptive. Lear 21 (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Then report me. Have fun. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Please

Can you take a look in Markos Botsaris, there is ], who only reverts with nonsense edit summaries.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

h kanvassismos

ena, dia... BalkanFever 22:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

No different from this, really. By the way, what's with the dodgy Greek? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Not quite; notification in neutral fora is generally encouraged, individual notification is more problematic. But as long as it's only two or three people it's hardly actionable anyway – we all know that the real canvassing is going on behind the scenes. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. A few fresh faces on your side of the fence, I see. Still, the opposing side's national talk page is hardly a neutral forum. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 15:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I would be grateful if you could reign in your narcissistic urge to fiddle around with your own postings in multiple updates at least when you are on my talk page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Πω πω, νευράκια... ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 15:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully there hasn't been any kind of misunderstanding, but at any rate my response in Greek under his invitation reads: "Thanks for stopping by, but I am no longer active". That's just for the record... On a side note, this bit "...the kind of ideological baggage that Greek people are unfortunately so obsessed with" ! was really uncalled for. Some kind of temporary Furor Germanicus I hope--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Giorgo, but I stand by that statement. Individuality of independent personalities notwithstanding (and you know in what esteem I have you), there is such a thing as collective traits characteristic of a group. And here we have such a one, if there ever was one. There is a certain stance towards the M. issue that is collectively characteristic of the Greek Wikipedian community in general (as the editing disputes of the last years amply demonstrate), just as it is collectively characteristic of the Greek nation as a political body in much the same way (as the political events demonstrate). That such a collective stance exists is, I think, undeniable; that it is best characterised as ideological obsession is my personal well-considered opinion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Fut, this is not about me, but Jesus! "Collective traits characteristic of a group!" Your comment includes so many gross generalisations and oversimplifications that I probably wouldn't know where to start from. I say this with regrett but I have to insist that your remark was largely unjust and uncalled for. I feel that the infamous Furor Macedonicus is actually interfering with your better judgement. Things would be quite simple in this outlandish affair if the whole naming issue were devoid of overt and incredibly UGLY political connotations concerning both sides of the dispute as well as many third parties. Political events demonstrate a lot more than what you are implying. Whether the Macedonias of this region should ultimately be called Macedonias is, as you very well know, the least of my concerns but collective name calling is a terrible terrible terrible way of going about it. It goes without saying that I wouldn't have bothered writing to you if I didn't hold you in great esteem myself but I feel that remaining silent wouldn't be the decent thing to do. I said more than I should and it's probably better not to bother you any further. Καλή σου συνέχεια και εννοείται πως η πρόσκληση για καφέ ή και κανά ουζάκι ισχύει. Νισάφι πια με τη Μακεδονία... --Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Fut, if your thoughts are well-considered why is it hard for you to answer that? Just a line would be sufficient. Why do simple, civilized questions anger you to the point of censorship? can you answer one simple question? Have you ever seen something equivalent of this "hypothesis" in the Greek wiki? Have you ever seen the equivalent of this by a Greek government official? So in relation to whom are we ultra-nationalistic and aggressive? to the Japanese? Congolese? Icelanders? ... --CuteHappyBrute (talk) 11:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

You bore me, brute, and that is neither cute nor does it make me happy. Read what people say instead of projecting things into them. I didn't say you were ultra-nationalistic and aggressive, and I didn't compare you to others on some aggressiveness or ultra-nationalism scale. So don't go bandying words about. What I said was that your nation (and your wiki community) is collectively obsessed with this particular issue. Those freaks on mk-wiki are a different kind of problem (and I hope you've seen how I intervened there). But what I haven't seen from them is such a tenacious collective determination to force a naming decision on us that is not shared by the English-speaking world. So, yes, in this particular issue (although it concerns them more directly than it concerns you) they are actually a lot more relaxed and a lot more mature. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok. But. As I demonstrated, your "a lot more relaxed and a lot more mature" goes mathematically down the drain by comparing the behavior of each side. Not being able to admit or finding excuses is another thing, as I am sure you know you have deleted much more vandalism and ethnic attacks from the Yugo side. For example, you may find the political behavior of Greece very much fascist and harmful compared to this (where 70 civilians died). Secondly, someone who is not sure whether he is right cannot and won't be as persistent with arguments as someone who has scientific, historical and tactual political evidence by his side. The first one is sure to resort to dogmas, hypothesis and conspiracy-theory terror and find arguments in ancient Greek politicians calling each other barbarians (as they did all over Greece), undecideable evidence about a language of ancient people (that no scholar refuses they came to belong to the Koine-speaking population) and ancient kings changing ethnicity for political reasons while at the same time refusing to see and admit the whole circle of undeniable evidence. Finally I repeat, if you haven't noticed, that most of us who want disambiguated names for the country and the people of the Republic as well as the Greek province, do it because we don't want history monopolization and appropriation (not from our side or anyone's side). And if a name is another way for that, it's worth trying to make the world less confused with less friction and hate. Also the fact that any Greek is honored to be called "Makedonas" (sic) by a foreigner or "Greek-Macedonian" even though it's a pleonasm, but the other side is insulted to be called "Slav-Macedonians" or "Makedontsi" says a lot about the whole subject...

p.s. yes I noticed that you intervened there and I also noticed the wall of madness you hit there. But that wall doesn't bother you much apparently, does it? Either you believe that the great new decipherment hypothesis of the Rosetta stone is notable encyclopedic content that needs to be included in Misplaced Pages or your will of action is much bigger for example when it is about excluding a specific known national motto and not naming it unofficial or something... whichever one of this it is, conclusions are easy and clear. --CuteHappyBrute (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I think this time I'll leave this up as an eternal monument to the state of intellectual decay nationally-driven wikipedia editing leads to. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well I think my paragraph really bothers you and I'm sorry, but my aim was to understand you by your answers, not by their absence. --CuteHappyBrute (talk) 14:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

too much of a block

Your block of 85.75.0.0/16 has blocked nearly half of Greece (Otenet) and large parts of US (Virginia, etc), as well as some users in Germany and Switzerland. Maybe it's time to unblock this range and only block more specific IPs? Fotisaros (talk) 23:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

A /16 block is effectively blocking 65,534 ips. This seems like more of victory for the vandal than it does for Misplaced Pages. Chillum 23:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I wasn't aware it was also blocking IPs outside Greece. From the Whois entries I thought it was all OTENet. Have there been concrete reports of collateral damage?

The alternative is for me to routinely semiprotect every page I edit – preemptively, even before the vandal strikes. At this point, I am no longer even willing to wait till he does; it's become too much of a nuisance. Blocking single IPs has no effect at all, he can hop from one to the next within a minute. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, did you just say above that you deliberately blocked the largest Greek internet provider, coincidentally just at the same time when a poll is running where Greek people are likely to vote against your opinion?--Avg (talk) 02:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

It's a soft-block on anonymous users. Anon IPs don't vote in polls, so it makes no difference to that case. It's because of a particularly nasty vandal, it's been in place on and off, for quite a while, without any reports of serious collateral damage that I'm aware of. There's never been much constructive anon editing from that range anyway; most non-logged-in activity from there has always been just vandalism. And if you really think harm is being done, go and tell that to the vandal (you know who). He is harming fellow Greek users, not I. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Who is it? Not all of us have a penchant for IT forensics. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Former Walnutjk (talk · contribs) (see e.g. Special:Contributions/85.75.162.84) Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Greek genocide - the other sources check

You had said:

..."As for the other sources, the real ones, I'm only slowly picking up on them. I have neither much time nor easy technical access to most of this material; given the tendency of tendentious and distorting quotation I've witnessed here (see Levene, for the umpteenth time), I'm not willing to give any premature comment or endorsement to any contention based on mere lists of names"

That was more than 2 weeks ago. Please define "slowly". NikoSilver 01:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

A certain other case has been forcing me to direct my attention to dealing with argumentative smokescreens elsewhere, so I'm afraid I haven't got much energy left for that one right now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Eh, it is exactly that "attention" of yours I wanted to shift into something more productive, before it guides you into knee-kicking below the belt... You must really reconsider my advice that you seem like you are obsessed with this even more than any "nationalist" Greek seems to be. I would have never believed you would resort into such --never mind. NikoSilver 17:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Bothering you agian

Sorry for bothering you again, but I think you have to see Talk:Markos Botsaris, an ongoing discussion, which in my opinion is just references against assumptions. Can I have your opinion in the last comments in there? Thanks, Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Muscovite evading block again

At Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Muscovite99_evading_block, you blocked Muscovite99 a further 2 months for evading a block he was currently under. An IP editor has now made the same edits that were made (edit here). This edit was made by Special:Contributions/62.118.179.114, and it should be noted that he was also found to be socking on ruwiki (ru:Википедия:Заявки_на_арбитраж/Muscovite99) with 62.118.179.117 and 62.118.179.115. A further block, if not indef, is now in order here I think? --Russavia 20:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

• I believe this is a retaliation by Russavia for that comment by Muscovite99 about him.Biophys (talk) 02:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
  • You believe a lot of things that have no grounding in reality, I'll add this one to the list. If an editor is blocked, they are NOT allowed to edit. Instead of giving Muscovite "instructions" on how to win an edit war (was the fact it is humour lost on some?), and telling him to edit other articles (whilst blocked?), one would be better off telling him not to evade blocks and not to sockpuppet. Surely editors only can have so many concurrent blocks before it becomes evident they are plain disruptive. --Russavia 02:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Please take your mutual bickering off my page, you two. As for the sock, I'm not entirely sure: since it's on a different IP range I'd feel more confident if I could have some independent confirmation that the editing profiles make the identification certain. (Can't read the Russian in the ruwiki page you linked to.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure that indefinite block was appropriate especially since the sockpuppetry was not confirmed by Checkuser.Biophys (talk) 13:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

This is English text of discussion in RuWiki.Biophys (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Muscovite99 is back with yet another IP: Special:Contributions/213.221.0.102. He made this series of edits: , and launched a personal attack against Russavia: . Offliner (talk) 15:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I replied at WP:ANI.Biophys (talk) 16:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Your blocking of DJ Bungi

I only know his food images, but your accusation of him violating copy right on the images is wrong. I left my rationale on Commons, so please compare the image "carefully" and lift his block.--Caspian blue 20:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

p.s. I have had no interaction with him, but only transferred his images after seeing this note on WT:WikiProject Food and drink#Bosnian_cuisine--Caspian blue 20:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Old Josie Maran edit

Hello, I have a question about a previous edit you made to Maran's article, and I was hoping you could answer it to clear up a bit of an edit war I'm stuck in with an IP user. Here is the edit in question. You said in its summary that you reverted back two edits for neutrality and encyclopedic style, which erased an embedded list that I had previously removed and was returned by the IP user in question. I'm of the mind that embedded lists are inherently unencyclopedic and that Wiki policy explicitly states that simple lists of links should not be used, and your edit seems to confirm this, at least to me. The IP user, on the other hand, claims your reversion was solely to return the use of Maran's last name (as you singled this out in parenthesis) and the fact that you erased the embedded list wasn't intentional due to you being possibly not the brightest - yes, it's one of those types of editors (and I'm apparently only doing this to "promote" myself). You can read the talk page debate, full of my policy-backed explanations and his/her denials, but if you could jump in and explain your edit a bit further, whichever intention you had, it would be a great help!  Mbinebri  21:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I see you've semi-protected the article - with the embedded list still there. Just for clarification, I'd still like to specifically hear your opinion on whether such embedded lists should stay or go, if you don't mind the input. I'm prepared to assume you agree with me if you deemed the IP user's edits as disruptive in the edit summary.  Mbinebri  22:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I actually have no strong opinion on the question of lists as such, but it seemed clear to me the IP was here with a rather clear POV agenda to inflate the article with peacock elements, and was quite aggressive about it. The list strikes me as exaggerated, but that's just my personal impression. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

FDAU at Greece

I was just in the process of reporting User:FDAU for Edit Warring myself. Your report is much better since I have not had much practice at writing them :) (Taivo (talk) 10:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC))

And yet, you're both edit warring (tag-team may I say). So much for Wiki policy to leave the article alone, even in the "wrong" version, especially when there's a poll about it.--Avg (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

What makes you think you're welcome on this page? (Hint: no need to answer.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Consider this a notice then that you have been reported for edit warring in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring‎.--Avg (talk) 11:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Knock it off, Avg; FDAU appears to be a sockpuppet of a banned user. Fut. Perf. deserves our support for helping to hold the line against abusive editing. -- ChrisO (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

This sockpuppetry accusation is a new discovery. Fut. Perf. clearly first reverted/filed the report and then "on further consideration" discovered that the user might be a sockpuppet not proven yet). Classic trick or post-justification of previous actions with a new reason.--Avg (talk) 11:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, sometimes when a policeman stops a person for driving too fast they discover that the car is stolen and that the driver is an escaped felon. Avg would argue that the traffic stop was then invalid and the driver should go free. (Taivo (talk) 12:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC))

Ancient Macedonians

Hi Future, is this edit acceptable: Jingby (talk) 14:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thracians

Hi, I am curious why you left unreferenced text about Thracians being powerful warriors with red hair etc etc, while you remove actual scientific references? I know you have privileges on Misplaced Pages but you are nonetheless bending/breaking the rules by removing academic work. For example you removed the Dr. Aris Poulianos reference on the "Aegean anthropological" type as well as the DNA tests on Thracian bones (Cardos G. et al) which were then compared to European populations. At the same time you leave non academic statements about proposed physical characteristics of Thracians that are currently only supported by the White Supremacist community. There is academic consensus on the physical type of the Thracians and the many references prove this. Also the analysis of the Thracian Murals shows what these people looked like, which further confirms the conclusion of archeologists and physical anthropologists.

--Monshuai (talk) 15:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I have no objections against removing even more. The whole topic of what racial characteristics these people had is quite unimportant anyway, and there doesn't seem to be much serious material about it. Poulianos is a highly controversial figure in the field whose claims should always be taken with a pinch of salt; the Cardos et al paper doesn't contain much and its claims were rather exaggerated in the way they were summarised here – for instance, the paper doesn't contain any serious discussion of whether the differences observed between the different southern European nationalities were even statistically significant. That commercial genetics website seems utterly without scientific merit to me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you! The problem is that there is always someone who wants to utilize the Thracians as a kind of racially oriented propaganda tool to prove their own supremacy over other people. However the reality is that regardless of what people say, the Thracians were quite simply a Mediterranean people who lived throughout the Balkans and Anatolia. Thus I feel we have to stick to scientific studies and I am more than happy to work with you in collecting more academic information regarding this very topic. I also agree that we should look through the Cardos et al study and perhaps rephrase the way it has been presented in Misplaced Pages. It seems that every Balkan nationality wants to claim the Thracians for themselves, which in itself is not bad thing, as long as they realize that all Balkan populations to one extent or another share the Thracian heritage, be it in cultural and/or ancestral fashion. In other words, linking modern populations to an ancient people is a positive dynamic because it allows for a truth oriented solidification of one's roots that in the long-term can serve to unify various people instead of dividing them. That's why genetic studies are also a good thing as they show that we are all of mixed origins... As long as we present the diversity within us all in a properly referenced manner we can serve to catalyze constructive behaviour and thus neutralize the stupefying nationalism (itself chained to myths of purity) common in the present times.--Monshuai (talk) 09:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Image Query

Just checking, is this use of an image kosher?

http://en.wikipedia.org/File:CFK_y_Gordon_brown_.jpg

My understanding of Argentine copyright law was that official photos weren't PD? Justin talk 17:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Not generally by law, apparently, but according to the tags on the image file there was a special license given regarding the contents of that government website. Sounds plausible (and you could check with one of the people who have access to the OTRS system to verify the license, if you have doubts.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Image request

Hey. If you have enough time, and/or are just bored of the usual blocking/protecting/reverting, would you be able to translate and svg-ise File:Wasscherscheiden.png? BalkanFever 08:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh, looks like a good bit of work. By the way, is it even correct enough to work from? What's that Danube-linked bit doing all the way down our favourite country and its homonymous neighbour, where the Vardar should be? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Umm, I know close to nothing about drainage divides, so I can't really give you an answer. But your countrymen seem to think it's good enough. BalkanFever 09:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

What? "My countrymen"? Outing! Ethnic profiling! How dare you call me a German. Really. – Anyway, it seems they probably just forgot to draw the boundary between the Danube and the Vardar system. But I won't probably find much time any time soon, I'm afraid. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Castarostica

Hey there,

Catarcostica vandalized my userpage to remove a template, leaving this message: "As am sure you know there is no such standard for "mo 900" aka moldavian language. Its been revoked since may 2009. It is duty to removed from your page. Sorry if this action made you upset..it is not my purpose. I am sure you are a valued member of Misplaced Pages. Our common purpose is the Truth. Best regards! Costica".

I'm not very active anymore so I'm a bit worried he'll do it again and I won't notice for a month or two. Any actions you'd recommend I take? --Node (talk) 11:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Future Perfect at Sunrise's Day!

User:Future Perfect at Sunrise has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Future Perfect at Sunrise's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Future Perfect at Sunrise! Peace, Rlevse ~ A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thank you! :-) And this just when I thought everybody had finally found me out for the ruthless abusive edit-warrior and rogue power-abuser I really am. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, yiou are clearly those things, FP, but even evil, rotten bastidges have some saving graces. ;) - Arcayne () 14:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Jingby (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Adnanmuf

You remember this guy, the genetics / ancient history crank from Talk:Palestinian people? He came back while his ban was still on, and got back to the old tricks, but is apparently being given free rein on the grounds that his edits are "not disruptive." Maybe take a look? <eleland/talkedits> 17:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

That's one confusing page for sure. The block on the Adnanmuf account would by now have run its course, so in formal terms he could now legally edit, but his account has been inactive. Which new account(s)/IPs do you claim is/are his, and when do you say did they start evading the block? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)