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=== Evidence presented by ] === === Evidence presented by ] ===
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Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 15:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 15:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:* <span class="plainlinks">I realized, somewhat tardily, that your newest ] had that ''<nowiki>'User:Jimbo Wales is not sock puppet'</nowiki>''. In light of this, I have stricken my unsubstantiated evidence above and offer my sincere apologies for the </span> and assure you that it will not happen again<small> (&nbsp;for at least a year or so&nbsp;;)</small>.
: Cheers, ] 03:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


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Update on BLP / Flagged Protection / Flagged Revs

A discussion of the BLP problem is on the agenda for the board meeting in Berlin next weekend. I'm going to run my proposal for en.wikipedia by the board at that time, to get their feedback and hopefully support, and then post something after that. For those who haven't been following this, recall that I've promised to try to find a middle ground proposal which will be widely and enthusiastically adopted.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

What about Misplaced Pages:Flagged protection and patrolled revisions ? This is polled and currently at 164/30. As we'll likely have consensus for a trial, the implementation is worked out here. What do you think of this, do you wish to propose alternatives or modifications ? Cenarium (talk) 14:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Noted. That's very close to what I'm thinking to propose formally.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. The trial should be ready for implementation in late April. We seem to have a large support of the community for it, and of course, a support of the board would be great. As it's only meant to be a two-month trial, a major community discussion should happen in June/July on the continuation of the implementation, and if approved, its reevaluation and adoption of specific policies. Cenarium (talk) 02:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I would rather see input from you than an alternative, as it is likley that the current poll will have consensus, I'd rather not go through another debate on FlaggedRevs. No disrespect to your idea, but we have a potentially successful trial on the table, and I think that's enough for now.--Res2216firestar 00:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
You may. But most people concerned with helping BLP subjects know that the current proposal offers nothing at all. It may get through, but it will not help address the real issue that Jimbo has pledged to look at.--Scott Mac (Doc) 00:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I said that I didn't want to abandon the current proposal, and hopefully avoid another debate, if others believe another debate is unavoidable, fine, I just would prefer not to see a third drama-filled debate on FlaggedRevs. The critical point I would like to stress is that the current proposal should probably not be left behind when this new one is announced.--Res2216firestar 03:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I second Res2216firestar's concern. There are a significant number of people out there who are tired of Flagged Revisions proposals and polls, and if the current, largely-supported trial can be passed through without further drama, that would be better than having you (Jimbo Wales) propose something new and upset the support already there. Once the trial's implemented, discussions on what to implement in the longer term become more appropriate—and will lack at least much of the uncertainty and doubt that otherwise plagues Flagged Revisions discussions. {{Nihiltres|talk|log}} 19:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia

There's a little controversey me and my comrades at Uncyclopedia would like you to clearup. I'm not sure if you've answered it already, but apparently, some guy created an account with your name. Is this you, or just some wannabe impersonator? Sincerily, Saberwolf116 (talk) 15:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

That's really me. I would answer over there, uncyc discussions belong there, not here, but I suppose answering over there wouldn't prove anything. :-) --Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

AHA! I knew it! Just like I knew there was no cabal. =PSaberwolf116 (talk) 20:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I won't tell you whether there is or is not a cabal, except there is no cabal. However, it gets a little more sinister. Uncyclopedia is created through Wikia. Wikia was founded by Jimbo. I'll let you do the math. Valley2city 05:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
And sadly, I have an account of Uncyclopedia too. Trust me, the controversy should not get in the way of expanding our knowledge. Joe9320 of the Misplaced Pages Party | Contact Assembly of Jimbo Wales 06:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Censorship of Fritzl's name on dewiki

Hey Jimbo - I have been looking through the mailing lists, and done some searching, but I can't seem to see if you've expressed an opinion on dewiki's censorship of Fritzl's name, both in it's articles and in interwiki links. Am I missing something, or have you simply not spoken about it? Thanks, — neuro 22:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It's the first I've heard of it, and I'm on the mailing lists I would expect it to be discussed on. What makes you think Jimbo even knows about it? --Tango (talk) 22:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
It just seems pretty pressing, I figured he would have. Is he still in India? — neuro 22:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I consider this a decision for the German community, and not my business to meddle in. I think I would oppose the decision, but there are many complicated factors in play.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 07:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
It is in line with the German press's treatment of the matter. Their version of BLP.Agathoclea (talk) 07:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Which is in itself worth an article. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
  • The German Misplaced Pages community has its own way of dealing with issues, more in line with German (and/or Austrian) legal requirements. Thus, they have a different approach to "fair use" (apparently they don't allow any, as no such concept exists in German law). Similarly, it appears to be a legal requirement not to name defendants in public cases by full name. -- Ekjon Lok (talk) 19:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
    Is German Misplaced Pages hosted in America? If so, surely is it not too just accountable to American law? Censoring it for legal reasons in Germanic countries therefore seems silly. Naturally, IANAL. Could someone explain their policies in English? Computerjoe's talk 18:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
    I must say that I understand, partly, the German Misplaced Pages concerns. Sure, the German Misplaced Pages itself is hosted here in the US. So, if a German Wikipedian -- somebody who lives in Germany and uses a German ISP -- does something that is perfectly legal according to US laws, but questionable according to his/her local laws -- well, who's in trouble? The Wikimedia Foundation isn't. It's not accountable to German laws. But the poor hapless user in Germany may well be!!! -- Ekjon Lok (talk) 21:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
    Why? We also adhere to local laws in Commons. If such laws are within reason, then why try to circumvent them by stating "hosted in the US". If the person is convicted, then the information can be included (if i remember it correctly). In that case, I don't see the Encyclopedic damage. Including a defendants name has little benefit to 3rd parties and can REALLY hurt a person that is found not-guilty or doesn't even make it to court. As such I find this to be a reasonable BLP like protection system. There apparently is a consensus among the German speaking wikipedians that they want to adhere to this rule out of BLP concerns, and such should be their choice in my opinion. The question is: Is there consensus to do this for BLP reasons, or are they doing it "just" because its a german law? --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
    I agree, I see no legal reason why German Misplaced Pages as such (hosted here ) should follow German laws; the only connection is that it uses German language -- and most contributors come from Germany, at least that's what is commonly supposed. But that's not for us to decide, it's for the German Misplaced Pages community to decide. I am not a lawyer myself -- certainly not a German lawyer -- so I cannot predict possible ramifications or complications for a user from Germany who was found to publish, from a German location to a US site, information that was actionable and/or criminal from German law point of view. -- Ekjon Lok (talk) 21:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
    I realise it is their community's decision, but I think not censoring projects should be policy at Wikimedia Foundation level. Computerjoe's talk 21:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
    Sure, I agree with you, I hate censorship in all its forms as much as anybody else. It's just that I think that the German Wikipedian community's decision was based more on the idea of protecting its members from German law -- even if you and I think the law is unreasonable. -- Ekjon Lok (talk) 22:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
    (EC)If you spin the above thought a bit further. An American put in the offending edit. A German then changes the article including the offending reference. .... A subject for lawyers to earn their keep. It is perfectly ok to have the community whose language decide on the rules. At a minimum Florida law has to be observed. Agathoclea (talk) 22:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Ease of re-use is a relevant concern, even if there is no risk to German contributors nor to the Foundation in the US, there can still be some reasons a community might want to take reasonable note of local conditions for potential reusers. This is not a definitive factor, of course, and in some cases, I would strongly push a community to publish something even if it would make reuse problematic.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Your assistance requested as Misplaced Pages winds down

Dear Jimbo, with the creation of this article it logically follows that Misplaced Pages must have covered all subjects worth encyclopedia articles, and the encyclopedia can now slowly wind down its operations as editors polish off the existing set with improvements and then find themselves with nothing more to do. (The historic moment took place at 00:03, April 1, 2009, GMT.) It occurs to me that you stay at hotels, so could you please do the honors of providing a suitable picture to go along with the article? And if you're the last one out of Misplaced Pages, could you please turn off the lights? I appreciate all your help, past, present and future! -- Noroton (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

My literal reaction to that article: O_O.
Second: go to WT:DYK and try to sneak that into a DYK queue.
Last: please copy Pedro's sig and join the cabal. the_ed17 :  Chat  00:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Jimbo Wales

User:Jimbo Wales, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jimbo Wales and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Jimbo Wales during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. rootology :  Chat  02:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

This is April 1st for you. Expect more of this. --Deskana, Champion of the Frozen Wastes 02:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Well...

If we're gonna have a drink, I suppose it actually oughta be Guinness. Enjoy : ) - jc37 03:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's keep our priorities straight, people.

The MfD nomination is harmless fun, but can we please not edit-war over the insertion of the corresponding tag on Jimbo's user page? A good rule of thumb is that if someone removes a prank, it probably is best to let it go; it simply isn't important enough to justify the disruption caused by reverting.
In addition to the above notice, the MfD page is linked from Template:Cent. Is that not sufficient? —David Levy 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Awww, but isn't this the perfect day to be lame? : )
(As an aside, please see their talk page, I left a note there explaining (hopefully.)) - jc37 03:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, this was moving quicker than I thought. My comment above was solely about a single instance. My apologies for the confusion. - jc37 03:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy April Fool's Day

File:Portapotty3000ppx.JPG Port-a-Potty!!!
Fastily (talk) has given you a Port-a-potty!!! Now whatever are you going to do!? Happy April Fools Day!!!!

Give others port-a-potties by adding {{subst:User:Fastily/Portapotty}} to their talk page with, importantly, a friendly message.

Happy April Fool's!!! :D - Fastily (talk) 03:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

That's not a TARDIS with its chameleon circuit working, is it? — Rickyrab | Talk 05:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

(helpme garbage removed) Chzz :  Chat  04:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Apologies for the helpme template that I placed here; it was just part of some April Fool shenanigans, so that your name would pop up on the IRC help channel. Best,  Chzz  ►  20:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd just like to announce...

...that I love you all. Super srs. GlassCobra 13:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to ] for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Template:Do not delete C.U.T.K.D 11:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Jack Merridew

Cheers, Jack Merridew :  Chat  15:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

  • I realized, somewhat tardily, that your newest CheckUser had informed me that 'User:Jimbo Wales is not sock puppet'. In light of this, I have stricken my unsubstantiated evidence above and offer my sincere apologies for the grievous insult and assure you that it will not happen again ( for at least a year or so ;).
Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Emergency

Please stop the vandals!. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 15:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

See also Rick roll. Jehochman 16:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I should have recognized that YouTube video code in the bottom-left of my screen...--Unionhawk (talk) 16:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

April Fools?

Um... I was reading in the DEFCON info (which is currently at DEFCON 1) and I heard that all IP users were sysop-ified... Is this true? And if it is, is it an April Fools Joke?--Unionhawk (talk) 16:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User talk:Jimbo Wales

User talk:Jimbo Wales, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Jimbo Wales and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User talk:Jimbo Wales during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Techman224 16:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Would make my life easier, but since I have a COI, I'd best not vote.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The Commons Observer, Vol. 5: Today: Commons admin AFBorchert

Hi Jimbo, that's interesting. "commons-admin-within-5-weeks"-Kanonkas, now a candidate for a bureaucrat on commons, has not many buddies among the bureaucrats - or even none? - but he has AFBorchert, an engaged German fan. Is that enough? X.

April Fool's

Message for Jimbo: This is my first April Fool's Day here at Misplaced Pages, and I was wondering, what happens on April 2nd? How does Misplaced Pages revert every single warning, MfD notice, redirect, etc. that was made today? Respond here or at my talk page. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

They usually just die off slowly until they're archived. –Juliancolton |  23:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
In like a lion out like a lamb eh? — Ched :  Yes?   : ©  00:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)