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Web brigades....again

I think you may want to look at web brigades. The article owner has again reinserted all that information which is not relevant to this Russian conspiracy theory, and now User:Martintg is playing the team game by claiming consensus and reinserting said info again. What do you think? Is it about time this piece of rubbish article is taken to AfD, and have this thrashed out for once and for all, because the entire thing is based upon the views of a single nutcase reporter. Anyway, your views on this are welcome on the article talk page, as it seems this is going to happen every other month when the owner of the article decides to re-include everything again. --Russavia 01:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Heroes

Hey Ellol, thanks for bluelinking some of those redlinks. I got a phone call today with some unexpected news; a friend calls me telling me to pack my bags, he managed to get us some cheap-arsed tickets to Krabi (Краби), and left it until today to tell me. We leave tomorrow for a week's R&R in glorious Thailand, so I won't be around (obviously). With the hero's list, I will leave User:Russavia/Hero there if you need to make any changes and the like. Catch you in a week, I'll buzz ya when I return. Cheers, --Russavia 05:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Have a nice vacation! :-) ellol (talk) 17:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Umar Israilov

You contacted me about having removed a quotation by Timur Aliyev. In case you did not notice my comment on the edit, I wrote: "Removed quoted rebuttal as WP:UNDUE." In other words, I was concerned that by giving a name, title, and verbatim quote to a government spokesman (Aliyev), we were straying (unintentionally, I am sure) from a neutral point of view.

You stated that Timur Aliyev is "an important source" and "a notable person." Aliyev's notability is not at issue here, as this article is not about him. Because he was speaking as a representative of President Kadyrov, and not on his own authority, I consider it unnecessary to identify him more specifically — much less to specify that he was speaking "by telephone from Grozny." That kind of detail is appropriate to a news story or blog post, but not to an encyclopedia article.

I am concerned that you accused me of "inappropriate behaviour." I acted in good faith, and it would be unkind of you to assume otherwise without cause.

I hope I have addressed your concerns about this article. If not, I will be glad to discuss this further at Talk:Umar Israilov. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 22:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Please stick to the subject

Eloll, with all my respect, please do not turn "Putinism" into a discussion forum on Russia's current social developments. Polls about what Russians think about Medvedev may well belong to Dmitry Medvedev. "Putinism" dwells on the idiosyncracies of Putin 's regime of power and this whole section ("Nominal transfer") is relevant as far as there's a dominant experts ' school of thought claiming that he remains top man on the totem pole. When this stops being the case, that will signal the end of Putinism (and consequently the end of the subject), the procession towards which is dealt with in the "Prognosis and aftermath". Also, Mikheyev's opinion is irrelevant anyways as he is nobody and the source is self-publishing tabloid site of a marginal grouping.Muscovite99 (talk) 12:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested

Think you might be interested in this. It's funny, I think I might dub this guy Litvinenko, for he too has history of making accusations against others but presenting no evidence to back them up. Just as funny is Biophys' question, I am sure he has more than enough editors to stalk and harrass, without actively looking for more. :) --Russavia 12:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• My name is not Litvinenko. Also, i just pointed out certain facts, if you will take the trouble of seeing all the relevant links, the fact being some users in RuWP being out of admins' jurisdiction: they are allowed to commit violations with impunity; moreover, if i complain about them, i het blocked - this is a simple, plain fact that has to be expalined.Muscovite99 (talk) 17:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Whatever the problem, it should be discussed with admins of the RuWiki, shouldn't it? And whatever is your problem with the RuWiki admins, it doesn't give you any preferences while communicating and editing in the English Wiki. ellol (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Style

Ellol, please do not use contractions such as "it's" (this is not the kind of style that is appropriate in writing), especially in cases where "it was" is actually called for (if you do not quite get what i mean, read sth on what they call in Russian Согласование времен в английском).Muscovite99 (talk) 17:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Again (apropos ), sorry but the fact is that your knowledge of English is less than sufficient for literary use. Please, if you are not sure, do not make such corrections: the expression "he went on to say" is not at all the same as "to go on doing sth".Muscovite99 (talk) 16:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for help. ellol (talk) 17:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I hope you appreciate it that i did not mean any offence. It is really about what i said. As the saying goes, English is the easiest language to speak badly. Proper literary use is very hard to master for a number of reasons, one of those being it is very rich in words (way more words than in any other major patois), another being that a native speaker of such a distinct (culturally) tongue as Russian would have to change one's brains (mentality) somewhat (shall i say quite a bit in fact?) to approach a near-native level of fluency. Also, from your postings and comments, i can discern your conviction that i am a kind of a russophobe or have some anti-Russian sentiments (a view that Russavia appears to be actively propagating). Quite franly, i believe this would be a wrong assessment. I can confess (if you care to know) that, despite the fact that i have been writing about what is usually dubbed "politics" both here and in RuWP, i do not have any political views or convictions; i am just beyond that age when people have any (i mean both my actual age, and the psychological one). I daresay i have a truly encyclopedic approach to "politics" - i view them as mere facts, without taking sides. As for Putin, i cannot bring myself to view him as a politician (let alone a statesman): the guy is just a businesssman, totally apolitical, in my opinion. Yes, i do not like him, because i do not like businesspeople (i dislike Bourgeoise spirit, as opposed to the aristocracy one). As President, he was unbearably boring, it is just mind-boggling how boring he is. Essentially, there's nothing about him to deserve any serious criticism or hate. The 8 years under him have been arguably the most empty, inane, bland decade in the history of Russia; only the 1970s could probably be in competition. - Just wanted to explain myself a bit to you.Muscovite99 (talk) 20:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

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For God's sake

do not turn "Putinism" into "Putin's presidency". Also, never use the present perfect - in an encyclopedia this would always be wrong (and incorrect): things herein described either happened, or still obtain, the latter requiring Simple Present. ("In January 31, 1999, President of Russia Boris Yeltsin has resigned." - a phrase, which would be ungrammatical in any context: once you have a clear indication of time in the past, you cannot use a present tense).Muscovite99 (talk) 17:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Ellol, this is not a place for your exercises.Muscovite99 (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I understand: of course it's my mistake. Thank you much on advice! ellol (talk) 17:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

personal attacks

Hi,

I don't think you should imply that Russavia lacks a sense of humour. This kind of personal attacks aren't taken lightly by people without a sense of humour. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 14:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I just think that the sense of humor is a very subtle culture-specific thing, not that he lacks it altogether. I find Digwuren's (or even Mr. Bäckman's) jokes very entertaining, though sometimes out of place, but unfortunately I could never appreciate Russavia's ones, which, I guess, are supposed to be funny. As to the "attempt of some users to to attack user Russavia", one may only wonder how what happens on the page Johan Bäckman is related to the said user. Very interesting indeed. If I didn't assume good faith, to me it would look like a coordinated, but clumsy attempt by some users to intervene in the area they know nothing about just to make a point. But April Fool's Day is over in my hemisphere. BTW, haven't you noticed that Mr. Bäckman is a mirror image of the "one-man disinformation bureau"? He doesn't emit ionizing radiation, though, and that makes him boring. Colchicum (talk) 15:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Guys, it's all good what you say, but in the Western culture we all belong to, calling people pigs isn't considered neither polite nor fun. Offensive, at best. I wonder of your willingness to trespass the threshold of making a personal attack. Of course, you are also ready to ask Russavia for apology? Perhaps you should get concerned with playing it all out peacefully. ellol (talk) 15:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Tsze-ch’in asked Tsze-kung saying, "When our master comes to any country, he does not fail to learn all about its government. Does he ask his information? or is it given to him?"

Tsze-kung said, "Our master is benign, upright, courteous, temperate, and complaisant and thus he gets his information. The master’s mode of asking information, — is it not different from that of other men?"

Don't think you'd pass being a good Chinese the way you act, as well. ellol (talk) 15:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

Ellol, what's the matter with you? You have never edited the article before, and probably don't know much about the topic. I don't know how you got there, but how is your piece relevant? What do Nazi war criminals have to do with the Soviet deportations? Also keep in mind that reverts, when you don't engage yourself in the discussion on the talk page, are considered disruptive here. Colchicum (talk) 16:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)