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A warning

Sam Spade 16:27, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Taken from User:Extraordinary Machine's talk page:

I may be wrong, but judging by the inability to write without violent language (as with the last part of this) and edit summaries like this, Hollow Wilerding seems to me to be Winnermario (who, though claiming to be a University-age female was clearly an adolescent male; he explained his e-mail address by saying that he shared it with a younger cousin...). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:34, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Gossip is not appreciated. For one, you accusing me of being User:Winnermario with two individual edits that don't live up to the standards of Mariah are vile — she did tell me to avoid you, and that I've been attempting to accomplish. And two, your comment about Mariah pretending to be in University is interestingly amusing. Do you honestly believe that she's an adolescent male because she happens to share her PC with her younger cousin? It's preposterous. And those edits are not violent; they are merely my questioning evolving into minor fury. --Hollow Wilerding 02:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Please prove your maturity by not reformatting the charts until a consensus has actually been met with at the WikiMusic Discussion. The fact that you do makes you look desperate and demanding. --Hollow Wilerding 02:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd also like to make a personal comment: the fact that you believe me to be an adolescent male (oh dear) veers me to believe whether you are really an Oxford professor. I was wondering if that's your tactic to receiving honourship and praise here on Misplaced Pages. But that's fine with me, one way or another. You don't believe me to be a University-student—although I am not Mariah, but a woman named Courtni teaching high school science and English—so I fail to believe that you are an Oxford professor. Besides, what would a busy professor with so much time on his hands be doing on an internet encyclopedia? It boggles me. --Hollow Wilerding 02:27, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

You mean "busy professor with little time on his hands", right? --Maru (talk) Contribs 02:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

No I do not. --Hollow Wilerding 21:28, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Then what you said made no sense. "Busy professor with so much time on his hands" is contradictory. If you are busy, you do not have time on your hands. --Maru (talk) Contribs 22:29, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm, Winnernario is supposed to be a University student studying English who thinks that "numberous" is a word, whose English is often so grammatically peculiar as to be genuinely obscure, whose first name just happens to be that of one of the main pop stars whose articles he edits, and who acts and writes like an adolescent boy. You're supposed to be an English teacher who uses words like "honourship", whose English is grammatically peculiar ("veers me to believe", "if that's your tactic to receiving...", etc.), and whose behaviour involves the aggression and petulance of an adolescent boy. No, obviously not the same people, obviously two mature women after all... --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:16, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

My grammar is only incorrect when I am typing, let me make that clear now — this is because I always assume I will get my point across in an easier fashion, but this has always failed me. Verbally, I am much better.

Anyway, "...and whose behaviour involves the aggression and petulance of an adolescent boy". You are in no position to assume this because you cannot prove it. But I would like to know why you do assume that I am Mariah, who you assume to be an adolescent boy. I will also express something Mariah said somewhere on a talk page on Misplaced Pages (although I cannot remember where it is posted): "No one has perfect English". This includes you, Mel Etitis. I will never have perfect English, and you will never have perfect English. Another point I would like to bring up is Mariah's name: ...So what? She having the same name as Mariah Carey is completely irrelevant to this discussion. --Hollow Wilerding 21:28, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Well it seems as though you did not reply to my above message for obvious reasons. I am not surprsied. Also, Mariah thought "numberous" was a word? I will give you that one, because you're right, it's not. But anyway, once you find evidence for your comments, that's when I will take them seriously. --Hollow Wilerding 21:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The Waterboys moved to The Waterboys (band) by a new user

Sorry to bother you with this. Without discussion, a new user just page-moved The Waterboys to The Waterboys (band) and created a disambig page in order to mention a Japanese movie of the same name. This was done without discussion, and I feel fairly strongly that a simple disambiguation header would be reasonable, whereas this was, um, overly bold. I cannot, of course, fix this myself while preserving the edit history of the article. I'd appreciate some advising. Jkelly 05:10, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Whether out of laziness or ignorance, that user hasn't yet bothered to fix a lot of links. If the move was warranted, he or she should have fixed these links, or should fix them. Was it warranted? I think so: see my comment on your talk page. -- Hoary 07:22, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I think that, in this case, a disambig header is reasonable. Note the lack of the definite article in the Japanese film title. The film should probably get a redirect from Water boys, as it doesn't have one. If the matter is really contentious, we can discuss it at Talk:The Waterboys. Jkelly 08:16, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and, thanks, Mel Etitis. Jkelly 08:16, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Double degree

I left a note on his talk page asking why. I can't see anything objectionable about those links. SlimVirgin 02:11, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The Beach Boys and the infobox dispute

I've been trying to get at the root of this dispute regarding album infobox 2 and I think I'm almost there, but there is one unanswered question in my mind. You have repeatedly removed a different template, Template:The Beach Boys, from a number of Beach Boys articles in addition to reverting BCG's change of album infobox templates. Perhaps he's got a legitimate complaint about the former, but I don't know, since you haven't responded to my first question about why you removed it and I can't find any discussion or edit summaries about why you removed it. This may seem like an insignificant, perhipheral issue, but I think it should be an easily resolved one, and it is frustrating that both parties will not even discuss it with one another. Gamaliel 18:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

As I noted at WP:AN/I, I have insisted that BCG refrain from this edit war for the period of one week or else I will block him. While you and those who disagree with him are free to revert him or otherwise go on about your normal editing, I ask that you and others who disagree with him be a little more conscious about what you are reverting and try to avoid "collateral damage" like the Beach Boys infobox. Gamaliel 01:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi - Just wanted to say thanks for your support on my RfA, which passed after a lot of controversy. I greatly appreciate your support! Ramallite 03:57, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

THANK YOU!

Thank you so much for voting in my RfA, and especially thank you for supporting me. I really appreciate it, and will wield the mop and bucket the best way I know how. I, like RoboCop, promise four things:

1. Serve the public trust
2. Protect the innocent
3. Uphold the law
4. Classified

I hope to do all those things and, even if I can't keep my fourth classified, will do all I can to be a great admin. It is an honor to be serving with such a great admin as yourself. Stop by my talk page, or on article pages; I look forward to working with you. A belated thanks again, ] _{04:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC)}

Curiosity was framed - ignorance killed the cat

I'm slightly curious and I hope you don't find me impudent for asking - did any of my contributions here do anything to persuade you that I have reasonable opinions on the matter? - Haukur Þorgeirsson 12:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps not. And perhaps the wording of my question was conceited. Thanks for the discussion, in any case. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 21:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Polite Request!

Hello! I've recently - for the first time - submitted an article I've written for peer review. One of the steps suggested was to politely request another user - who'd written on similar subjects - to give feedback... so here it is: my polite request! If you are not too busy, the article in question is here. The reason I'm asking you is because I noticed that you had contributed to articles about Johnny Dankworth and Ted Heath, which are about similar subjects/people... plus from your member page, it's obvious you know what you're talking about! If you don't have the time, don't worry about it - I still wanted to just say hello anyway! HowardBerry 17:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all the edits you made on the article - it's really appreciated. I took a look at the changes so I could see the things I've been doing wrong, and shall bear them in mind when editing articles in the future. Oh, yes, he is a relation - I'm his grandson. Thanks once again HowardBerry 21:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Crazy in love

Thanks for the tips and for correcting the tone of the article. "Smash hit" is used so frequently to describe successful number ones, I had no I idea it delved into the "fanzine" territory. lol. And yes, its "Bonnie and Clyde". Thanks again. Oran e (t) (c) (@) 22:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Standard naming conventions (including Wikiepdia's) are to leave article and prepositions uncapitalised, even if the book or record publishers present them otherwise. After all, the CD of "Time Out" also capitalises "to" (though the LP cover didn't). It's true that most internet sources follow the CD cover, though some (e.g., & ) don't. I've seen both versions in printed sources, depending on the style manual used by the publishers involved.

I don't have any other recording of "Pick up Sticks"*; do you know if anyone else has covered it? (I'm afraid that I have to admit that I catalogue my jazz recordings in terms of leaders, musicians, sides, etc., so that I have a listing of different versions. The most is "Body and Soul", predictably enough (21) with "A Night in Tunisia" a close second (19). And I don't own an anorak...) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not following you. It's a song name; "Pick Up Sticks", period. I see nothing in the manual of style that suggests the "U" should be lowercase. Could you link to what you're talking about? ¦ Reisio 22:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure where it is in the MoS (I'll look), but the convention is pretty standard (Chicago, Hart's Rules, etc.) that in titles, articles and prepositions aren't capitalised (some manuals specify prepositions under four letters). This isn't a matter of its original usage, or preference of the original publisher, but of the style of the publication in which it's cited. thus some publishers ignore any such convention, and capitalise everything (they'd print "Three To Get Ready" and "Pick Up Sticks") while others follow the convention, and capitalise neither "to" not "up". Misplaced Pages, as has been discussed in many places (and if I can remember or find where, I'll link to them) follows the latter. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (titles) is the obvious place, but it doesn't mention the convention (though all its examples follow it). I've requested help on its Talk page. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages

The Manual of Style guidelines involve (among other things) no secondary Wikilinking. --Mel Etitis 09:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Makes sense, but you leave me with no idea what page you might be referring to. Hu 16:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Adi Shankara

Thank you for your kind words. Please see my response at Talk:Adi_Shankara#Proposal_to_resolve_this_dispute. Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:User:Hollow Wilerding

I personally do not think that the User:Hollow Wilerding account is being operated by the same person who edited under the name User:Winnermario, as their opinions on chart table separation and bolding of 1's are quite different. I understand your concern, though, as it did seem odd that Hollow Wilerding start editing Misplaced Pages on the same day that Winnermario was blocked. I read somewhere that a developer could check the IP addresses of separate usernames and see if they match, though, so maybe you could ask one to compare the IP's for those two users just to be sure. Extraordinary Machine 23:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Homo erectus

Mel - I reverted an edit on this page that was clearly a copyvio. As the editor even left an external link to the site, I suspect that he/she is are new enough not to understand the copyright policy. He/she just left me a questioning note on the talk page and I briefly responded. I will be away from my computer for most, if not all, the weekend. If you would like to "welcome" them, perhaps give some instruction, and watch Homo erectus, I would appreciate it. Best.............WBardwin 04:41, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

He caught me before I logged off -- so I gave him a modest welcome. Seems well intentioned enough - User:Quena@sympatico.ca. Thanks. WBardwin 04:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:MOS and consensus

I was wondering, given my suspicion that you have done some thinking about the issue, if you would take a look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Several_inappropriate_Coldplay_article_reverts. I'd especially appreciate feedback on whether my argument reflects popular opinion or not. Jkelly 01:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Bayreuth Festspielhaus

Hi Mel I noticed you reverted edits made by User:Dtaw2001 on the above page. We are trying to keep information about the festival and the Speilhaus distinct (which explains an edit I made earlier with regards to certain aspects of the buildings special design, viz. the proscenium, inter alia). I believe that the content you recently restored was correctly moved to the Bayreuth Festival page since, properly speaking, it is about the festival and not the Festspielhaus. Before I revert, however, I thought I would solicit your motivation for restoring the material. Do you feel it is a serious elision not to provide such information on the Festspielhaus page? In which case, we could perhaps provide a better introduction about where to look for what?

Also, the Bayreuth article is being considered for a featured article and feedback is being requested. Please consider offering your thoughts. Cheers! Dottore So 19:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks fro the quick response. I'll add a better introduction to the Festspielhaus article, indicating that such information can be located on the festival page (to be honest, I suspect most people who end up on either page are looking for how to get tickets, as I was!). As it stands, the info is duplicated, and not very well at that since my initial numbers for tickets and wait-times (for example) have now been made much more specific at the festival page thanks to recent contributions. My initial edits on this and the Festival page were designed to keep the festival and architectural material discrete, and I still believe that is a good approach. Dottore So 19:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Nationalities

Replied in my talk page --Vizcarra 18:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Meaning of life

Yikes, where to begin? Deletion would be a start. I had to write an essay about this in my first year, and it ended up marginally better than this article; perhaps I should fish it out and insert it. I remember it involved a lot of Camus. Have you noticed that all over Misplaced Pages, people's sigs are bleeding and turning pages red and green? Or have I been at the Bailey's again? SlimVirgin 23:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

re: Billboard charts.

I finally got word back from the owners of Billboard magazine as far asusing chart information; they want a licsensing agreement. I emailed Jimbo, and he said to delete the "lists of Billboard hits" articles, and that the information in the articles can be retained. But, before we do anything, we should probably inform the editors at the WikiProject Music talk page or something. --FuriousFreddy 16:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Let's not delete anything just yet; we should organize the efforts and make sure that we are doing the right thing. As far as your sig, I don't know...keepsleeping had the same problem with his (his started leaking, and turned all the talk pages Technicolor green). Maybe it has something to do with the Infinite Crisis...lol. --FuriousFreddy 00:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

"Encyclopedic...

...and "Raquel Welch" do not compute. You're too young to remember what a big deal was made of her big ones. Who appointed you the Encyclopedic Nazi? And don't go flashing your "Admin" badge at me. I don't care if you're the Sultan of Oom Papa Mow Mow. If Raquel belongs in this pretentious weblog that you call an encyclopedia, then so do her big boobs. Otherwise, this article should be a big fat VFD candidate. >:( Wahkeenah 00:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I expected a patronizing and puritanical response from you, and I was not disappointed. I doubt very much, though, that you are in your 70s, even if your attitude is. Be that as it may, why don't you turn your self-righteous eye toward other articles, such as the Jennifer Lopez writeup where you could weed out the half-page section about her famous "assets"? Or is that somehow more acceptable just because it's a more recent phenomenon and because she's an inferior actress to Raquel Welch? Wahkeenah 10:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

In answer to an actual legitimate and fair question you raised... I stumbled across this site some months ago and thought it would be a good outlet for my occasional desire to write. Over time I have come to the conclusion that this site is little more than a pretentious weblog. Anonymous users on PC's at their local libraries are allowed to post any adolescent vulgarities they want to, wasting everyone's time reverting them, while registered users are hassled by the likes of self-important characters like yourself who, unilaterally and without discussion, strike the entries of others on the grounds of being "unworthy". The more time passes, the less impressed I am with this site, but it still serves my original purpose to a degree. That's why I still come here, albeit with much less enthusiasm than originally. Wahkeenah 11:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Signature

Mel Etitis, I noticed that the talk portion of your signature is broken. See User talk:67.177.115.115. A similar thing happened to me and User:JoanneB. I don't know if this problem, that appears to be widespread, has been reported. See the bottom of my talk page for more information. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 13:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Also on the message to me, which I just assumed was purposeful, what with the Greek and all:

--Mel Etitis (] 09:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Wahkeenah 13:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I reported at Misplaced Pages:Bug_report#Signature_not_showing_up_properly_2. Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Need advice: Page on "Kumdo" is an embarassment to Misplaced Pages

I am rather new, and only know of you (and your status as an admin) because Ann Heneghan was the first person to welcome me to Misplaced Pages, and I saw your entry near the top of her talk page (the one that was active at the time) and saw your interesting signature and visited your userpage. I'm writing to ask your advice.

I have spent a great deal of time on Misplaced Pages in the last week, and have looked at topics in which I have some expertise, one very narrow area being the Romanization of Korean. The first page I ran across which was spelled wrong (there are legtimate differences of opinion on spelling conventions, but this was outside such bounds) was the page "Kumdo." I read the talk page and added my opinion that the page had to be moved to the correct spelling (my advice would be "Komdo"), but didn't read the article. Today I read the article and looked carefully through the history.

The best version was near the beginning Revision as of 17:13, 11 May 2005, and after that a Japanese contributor has been angrily insisting that Komdo is simply Japanese Kendo and its claims to be descendant from ancient Korean swordsmanship are illegitimate.

Unfortunately, the best version of the page consists almost entirely of text that was simply copied from another page on the web What is Kumdo? that I happened to see when I Googled the topic, as I was considering re-writing the article myself.

I'm not sure what to do. I'm not sure the page can be saved. And I don't want to get into a fight with the apparently unstable Japanese guy.

Would you care to intervene in some way, or at least advise me? Thanks. -DoctorW 22:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

The sig problems and your "talk" portion

Please excuse the unsolicited advice (which may also be too late), but since the HTML tidy extension was turned off a couple days ago, all sigs that didn't conform to strict xhtml or xml format were displayed literally, with their "flaws," rather than being cleaned up. There was definitely another problem also (and sigs with html have to be saved as "Raw" from now on), but in you sig I noticed the brackets and parentheses were not nested:

(]

So if you were to change it to:

(])

or

]

it should be dispayed correctly (one would hope). -DoctorW 23:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Kumdo and your sig (response)

Thanks for your message. As you'll realise, I've no expertise in this area, but I'll certainly look at the page and see what I can do to help. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

1. Kumdo — I see what you mean; what a horrible mess (and much of the English was too obscure for me to be able to work out what was meant). I dived in, being bold, and did a rewrite based on the version you said was the best, supplemented by what I could salvage from the most recent version. I hope that that helps.

I am no expert in komdo either, but I can easily correct the atrocious spelling errors and may be able to add or tweak some things based on my familiarity with Korean (and Japanese) culture. I would like to move the page to a name using corrected spelling (same with Haidong Gumdo). Is there any reason that I should not do so right away, or anything you would suggest I do first? (I have already addressed the issue yesterday on the Kumdo talk page (and just now on Talk:Haidong Gumdo).

2. My sig. Thanks for your advice, but after I'd turned on "raw" (and edited accordingly) it seemed to work; do you not see it correctly above? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I noticed the broken section of your sig in the entry above mine on your talk page. I don't know whether there is a current problem with it, or whether the HTML tidy extension has been turned back on, but my thought was that it probably couldn't hurt to change your nickname to conform to strict xhtml / xml to avoid possible problems in the future. Again, I don't know how you feel about such unsolicited suggestions from relative newbies! Looking at your sig now, it seems to be nested properly. -DoctorW 01:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Image undelete question

this image is in PD - it has been painted over a century ago. Is this not enough for it to remain on Wiki? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 06:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)