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| As to your comment about my opinions-I don't present them in the articles.What did you mean by that, do you still dispute the war crimes sections of the German units of the dispute you were involved with me ? If so I will be gladly of assistance as Datner's book is in my possesion as of now. | As to your comment about my opinions-I don't present them in the articles.What did you mean by that, do you still dispute the war crimes sections of the German units of the dispute you were involved with me ? If so I will be gladly of assistance as Datner's book is in my possesion as of now. | ||
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| ' If you should be banned from Misplaced Pages, it has nothing to do with your opinions, but with you way you get along with people' | |||
| Wiglaf before accusing me of such things, you should consider your behaviour as well-block without reason and violations of Wiki policy, continous usage of slander terms towards me, reverting on sight of confirmed information. I never called you names(troll for example). I am awfully sorry, but to me your reaction seems more a result of your attempts to protect German units from mentioning their war crimes-after all it was this incident that provoked your responce to me. I hope that we can get along. | |||
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Furby, Sweden
Have you heard of this place? Are the article statements true? See also talk page. Regards, Fred-Chess 12:48, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining. To comply, I did this :-) // Fred-Chess 23:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
German 4th Panzer Division
I believe that and that's exactly why I assumed her good faith. However, I happened to read a lot on the topic, including one of the sources quoted by Szopen (not Molobo!). That's why I got invoilved in the article (note that I did that before Shauri's unexplained reverts took place). Of course, this list of attrocities is only fragmentary as it is based on a book listing war crimes against Polish soldiers of 1939. It does not mention civillians or soldiers of other armies murdered by that division after 1939, which were also many.
Anyway, as I happen to know a tad on the topic, it would take a lot more than a simple uncommented revert to convince me that something is wrong with the facts quoted there. And that's exactly why I asked Shauri to quote her sources and explain her problems. Hope she'll respond shortly. Halibutt 16:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- BTW, I noticed that at Shauri's talk page you assumed some strange things after seing the graphics used on this page. If you want me to, I could translate it for you. It's quite a decent essay on what the German soldiers were supposed to be and how many of them threw the rules of civility out of the window. It's not 100% objective since it does not mention German soldiers trying to prevent their colleagues from behaving like beasts (well, only once), but still it's quite interesting - and well-sourced. And the sense of graphical taste of the author of that page is a completely different thing :) Halibutt 15:21, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Copied from Shauri's page:
- Yeah, the revert war stopped when I said that the only solution to his incommunicative behaviour was to revert him on sight.--Wiglaf 14:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
- You reverted him on sight anyway, so I doubt it was a factor here. In fact the revert war stopped when people joined the talk page (check the history) - and that's exactly how it should be. Halibutt 15:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
My RFA
Hello Wiglaf, I want to thank you for your support of my RfA. I am happy to have some new tools to help fight vandals, and I hope to be able to use them to the betterment of the community. Best, Johntex\ 23:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Tack
Thanks for nominating me for adminship and supporting me till the end. And, while I'm at it, thanks for everything else too :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson 22:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Help would be much appreciated:
Can you tell this user (talk) that he cannot delete other people's posts, (something I'm sure about after you told me). He continues to revert my posts, over a trivial issue which he caused. I simply pointed this out to him, & obviously being slightly embarrassed, reverted my edits. Could you please inform him that this is not allowed? Regards, Spawn Man 01:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC).
- Hopefully been cleared, hopefully..... Spawn Man 01:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Odessa massacre
I see you wrote the article about Odessa massacre. I would like to know your sources. --Vasile 14:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Hej, Wiglaf. I completely understand.
You encountered an example of the exact reason why I have very little WikiFaith: an article written at Misplaced Pages can be developed to a very high level of quality, but it can still be screwed up by the ignorant and/or those who do nothing but push a particular personal agenda. You did your best, and that is what counts.
I will find you soon via e-mail. There is a project being developed here that may interest you more than what is being done at Misplaced Pages, but which will serve many of the same purposes. ;)
-P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 02:47, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm taking a break too - can I be in on the secret? :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson 03:10, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Welcome Back!
Welcome back my friend, to the show that never ends. We've missed you.
- Yay, me too. --HappyCamper 02:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
- Do you think your friend will be coming back soon? --HappyCamper 03:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Shauri
Thanks for your messages. I'm delighted to hear that she's well and will be coming back. Misplaced Pages can't afford to lose people like her. Regards. Ann Heneghan 09:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- Wiglaf, thank you for your reassuring message! I second Ann Heneghan's words. Take care. SoLando (Talk) 14:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind message. I'm glad to know Shauri will soon be with us again. Best wishes, Sango123 (talk) 20:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words. I just got a whole plate of cookies from Bratsche so I think I can give you one as repayment. :-D I'm also glad to hear that Shauri will be returning soon. It really is a wonderful surprise when you meet those wikipedians who are polite, and helpful even when they don't know you. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 21:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Wiki Cookies taste good.
- Thanks for the kind words. I just got a whole plate of cookies from Bratsche so I think I can give you one as repayment. :-D I'm also glad to hear that Shauri will be returning soon. It really is a wonderful surprise when you meet those wikipedians who are polite, and helpful even when they don't know you. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 21:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks from me too. It's nice to know Shauri will be back. Robert 22:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
how are things?
hey Wiglaf -- your talk page looks a little bit disheartening; I see you have been involved in some wikiunpleasantries.... anyway, I am back on the prowl (although I think I have to prune my watchlist a little bit), it would be nice to see you around. dab (ᛏ) 20:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- oh dear. at least, if his stay was limited to a week (touch wood), it was only a temporary affliction, I suppose. dab (ᛏ) 22:34, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Autoblocking Weirdness
Wiglaf, if I may call upon your intellect and admin prowess, Ansbachdragoner seems to have been the victim of some weirdness involving Sockpuppetry, IP masking and other assorted Scheiße. His account may have been compromised. I'm not even sure if the one who posted on his talk page is really him. Please see if you can help sort out this mess. If anyone can, you can, my friend! Best to you --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 11:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Piotr's support of breakers of 3RR
On 18:19, 15 November 2005, you have blocked User:Molobo with the description 3RR, without leaving any information of his user page (as required by the blocking policy). In addition, Molobo contributions in the past 24h have only one page edited more then one, this being Talk:Germanisation, which shows no sign of reverting. Please explain to me your actions.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- Just doing my duty Piotrus. I wonder why you had not done it, but you are always unilaterally supportive of his actions. As for notifying him, I forgot about it, since I knew that he was extremely well aware of the situation, and I did leave a message on the 3RR page, which you probably knew. Since, you have unilaterally unblocked him, I will block him once more.--Wiglaf 07:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- Piotrus, I have the highest respect for you and your work. I've expressed this numerous times on FAC. So it baffles me why someone of such intellect and ability would come to the support of a serial POV pusher like Molobo. JUST LOOK AT HIS TALK PAGE AND EDIT HISTORY! He clearly has an agenda, which he seeks to aggressively pursue, and facts or the opinions of others be damned! All he knows is right and wrong...he's right and all who disagree are wrong. He's wasted vast amounts of valuable time and effort of those who have been busy repairing his biased, twisted edits and argueing with him over them. He is clearly 1) A liability to Misplaced Pages and 2) Cannot be reasoned with in any meaningful way. His greatest talent is his ability to just stay within the lines and not cross over to being a flat out troll or abuser. If anything, you, as a true intellectual, scholar and gentleman, should be finding common cause with Wiglaf, instead of defending someone who contributes to Misplaced Pages about as much as Willy on Wheels. In fact I'd say he's worse..how many good contributors have been driven away in frustration by dealing with Molobo...I can think of at least four off hand and one I'm not sure will ever return. I can only assume that you, in some way, must agree with his Poloncentric PoV. Best regards,--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 08:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
hi Wiglaf, see here -- I would encourage you to seek wider support in Piotrus/Molobo related cases in the future; I tend to agree with RDH's take, it is undignified of an admin to support an obvious troll just because he happens to share the gist of his opinions. If Molobo is really as bad as RDH says (I haven't followed the case), it may be time for an RFAr to rid WP of this liability once and for all. We are here to work on articles, after all, and not to play mind games. If you manage to get Jimbo's attention, which I think would be adequate if it is true that four good editors have left in frustration over Molobo, I do think that if I know anything about Jimbo's view of what is acceptable on Misplaced Pages, he will permaban him without much ado. dab (ᛏ) 13:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, Molobo is worse than that. It took a concerted effort of all Russian editors to suspend his odious attacks on Russian articles last week. See my urgent announcements here and here. I suspect him of using a variety of sockpuppets to impersonate me (e.g., User:Ярославль). For several days I couldn't contribute a single new article, trying to fend off Molobo's attacks. Please block and ban him. --Ghirlandajo 10:07, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Wiglaf, I'd like to apologise to you for my accusation - in this case you did not abuse your rights and were completly justified in blocking Molobo for his reverts on Talk:Zygmunt Bauman. However, while I don't support all of Molobo's actions, I don't think he is a vandal or pro-Polish troll. The case of German_4th_Panzer_Division should be enough to show you that he is - sometimes - right, and you are - sometimes - wrong. As I wrote again, I think that it should be possible for both you and Molobo to reach some kind of NPOV consensus. Otherwise I am afraid we have no choice but to take this to ask for comments/mediation/arbitration, and we should both hope that others, completly not involved with Polish-German content dispute, will be able to judge this more fairly then we can. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- I was not involved in an editing dispute, at the time, as you can see if you bother to check my edit history. I only did my duty as admin.--Wiglaf 18:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
well, if Molobo is really so bad, we should rfar him and get him permabanned, I suppose. Has anyone collected evidence so far? Thank you for putting up with all this unpleasant business, Wiglaf, you are making a difference, so good editors can work in peace. dab (ᛏ) 10:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
- hm, it would be strange for me to file an rfar without even ever having encountered him. Of course, I could review the evidence and file one 'on behalf of the community' or something, but then I'd need a lot of support. is there some easily accessible evidence to all this? We could draft this and see how much support we get. So far I am really taking people's word that he is really that bad, I have no first-hand experience. Btw, I just noticed we didn't have Franks Casket, that's a disgrace :( I'll try to hack a stub together at least. dab (ᛏ) 11:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
JRRT
I'm trying to get JRRT to FA level, but I may not really make it with all the objections. Maye you feel like helping out here or there? regards, dab (ᛏ) 13:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
My RfA
Excuse me..? I think I must've got you wrong apparently. Did you just explain that you're voting against my nomination for adminship because you came late for RfA of the person to nominate me and you simply had to oppose somewhere? Or is it that you believe we're actually one person? I believe I must be missing something here... Halibutt 09:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Why so aggresive
If you believe I am wrong I will gladly provide you with sources and reference. Why do you so strongly attack me ? --Molobo 13:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
If you can point out any insults or vulgar words that I use towards other people, I will be glad to delete them and apologise. As to your comment about my opinions-I don't present them in the articles.What did you mean by that, do you still dispute the war crimes sections of the German units of the dispute you were involved with me ? If so I will be gladly of assistance as Datner's book is in my possesion as of now. --Molobo 14:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
' If you should be banned from Misplaced Pages, it has nothing to do with your opinions, but with you way you get along with people' Wiglaf before accusing me of such things, you should consider your behaviour as well-block without reason and violations of Wiki policy, continous usage of slander terms towards me, reverting on sight of confirmed information. I never called you names(troll for example). I am awfully sorry, but to me your reaction seems more a result of your attempts to protect German units from mentioning their war crimes-after all it was this incident that provoked your responce to me. I hope that we can get along. --Molobo 14:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)