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| It is general consensus on Misplaced Pages that ] into ever more minutiae of detail treatment, with each split normally lowering the level of significant ] coverage contained in an article. This means that while a book or television series may be the subject of significant real-world coverage, it is not normally advisable to have a separate article on every fictional character, episode, scene or chapter derivied from it, such that the coverage gives ] to the ]. | It is general consensus on Misplaced Pages that ] into ever more minutiae of detail treatment, with each split normally lowering the level of significant ] coverage contained in an article. This means that while a book or television series may be the subject of significant real-world coverage, it is not normally advisable to have a separate article on every fictional character, episode, scene or chapter derivied from it, such that the coverage gives ] to the ]. | ||
| In some situations, where a character, episode or other element of fiction does not meet the inclusion criteria in this guideline, it may be better to feature material about the element in the article about the work of fiction from which it is |
In some situations, where a character, episode or other element of fiction does not meet the inclusion criteria in this guideline, it may be better to feature material about the element in the article about the work of fiction from which it is derived, por oin a combination article with similar elements, rather than creating a separate article for that element. This can also apply for works of fiction that do not meet the inclusion criteria, where it may be better to feature the work in the article about the author if there is insufficient real-world coverage to justify a seperate standalone article | ||
| If a fictional topic has received significant ] coverage in ] that are ] of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the ] for a stand-alone article. | If a fictional topic has received significant ] coverage in ] that are ] of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the ] for a stand-alone article. | ||
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| A topic for which this criterion is deemed to have been met by consensus, is usually worthy of notice, and satisfies one of the criteria for a stand-alone article in the encyclopedia. Verifiable facts and content not supported by multiple independent sources or written purely from an in universe perspective may be appropriate for inclusion within another article or list that does meet these criteria. | A topic for which this criterion is deemed to have been met by consensus, is usually worthy of notice, and satisfies one of the criteria for a stand-alone article in the encyclopedia. Verifiable facts and content not supported by multiple independent sources or written purely from an in universe perspective may be appropriate for inclusion within another article or list that does meet these criteria. | ||
| If the amount of sourced material is relatively small, but does meet the requirements for a separate article, it may none the less be advisable to user a combination article to avoid excessive fragmentation. | |||
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| Notability |
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| General notability guideline |
| Subject-specific guidelines |
| See also |
This is a proposed guideline for elements within of notable works of fiction, such as fictional characters, or fictional objects. The guideline refers to these as "elements".
The works of fiction themselves are governed by Misplaced Pages's general notability guideline. This proposd guideline is also silent upon individual episodes of such works of fiction, which are dealt with in guidelines such as Misplaced Pages:Television episodes.
General criteria
Upper threshold
It is general consensus on Misplaced Pages that articles should not be split and split again into ever more minutiae of detail treatment, with each split normally lowering the level of significant real-world coverage contained in an article. This means that while a book or television series may be the subject of significant real-world coverage, it is not normally advisable to have a separate article on every fictional character, episode, scene or chapter derivied from it, such that the coverage gives undue weight to the primary source.
In some situations, where a character, episode or other element of fiction does not meet the inclusion criteria in this guideline, it may be better to feature material about the element in the article about the work of fiction from which it is derived, por oin a combination article with similar elements, rather than creating a separate article for that element. This can also apply for works of fiction that do not meet the inclusion criteria, where it may be better to feature the work in the article about the author if there is insufficient real-world coverage to justify a seperate standalone article
If a fictional topic has received significant real-world coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.
- "Significant real-world coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail using the real-world as the primary frame of reference, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant real-world coverage does not give undue weight to the primary source nor is it over-reliant on a perspective that is in universe.
- "Reliable secondary sources" are at least one step removed from primary source and have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published significant real-world coverage of their own that focus upon it. Coverage from tertiary sources does not constitute evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation, e.g. directories and databases, are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources.
- "Independent" means published sources that are independent of the creator, author, publisher or distributor. Promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article, and even non-promotional self-published sources, in the rare cases they may exist, are still not evidence of notability as they do not measure the attention a subject has received by the world at large.
- "Presumed" means that substantial real-world coverage in reliable secondary sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, of satisfying the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. Editors may reach a consensus that although a topic meets the all of the above criteria, it is not suitable for inclusion. For example, it may violate what Misplaced Pages is not.
A topic for which this criterion is deemed to have been met by consensus, is usually worthy of notice, and satisfies one of the criteria for a stand-alone article in the encyclopedia. Verifiable facts and content not supported by multiple independent sources or written purely from an in universe perspective may be appropriate for inclusion within another article or list that does meet these criteria.
If the amount of sourced material is relatively small, but does meet the requirements for a separate article, it may none the less be advisable to user a combination article to avoid excessive fragmentation.
Lower threshold
- If an element has not meet the upper threshold then it falls into a heavily disputed grey area. Criteria for determining what to cover within this grey area include:
- Importance of the fictional work: To justify articles on individual elements, the fictional work from which they come must have produced significant artistic impact, cultural impact, or general popularity. This is shown when the work (not the element) exceeds the relevant notability guidelines.
- Role within the fictional work: The element must be an important element, and its importance must be verifiable. The importance of characters can be demonstrated through the use of primary or secondary sources, while the importance of other elements must be validated in independent secondary sources.
These criteria are not exhaustive, nor agreed by all, but can help to concentrate debate regarding specific articles and help editors reach conclusions as to how to best organise content.
Specific criteria
Because not all sources are available to everyone at all times, it is desirable to have specific criteria to indicate if the sources required to meet the upper or lower threshold described above can be assumed to exist, even if they have not yet been found. However, this guideline does not define such criteria just yet.
Previous versions
- Misplaced Pages:Notability (fiction)/Original — the original version of WP:FICT.
- User:Deckiller/Notability (fiction) — the first rewrite of WP:FICT.
- Misplaced Pages:Notability (fiction)/Deckiller-Sandifer — a refined version of proposals by User:Deckiller and User:Phil Sandifer.